American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai

[GammaGlobulin]

Why would two bikes be riding ALONGSIDE each other?

 

To chat and become distracted from what is up ahead on the road?

 

Was he also checking his phone?

 

How many months had he spent in a country where traffic travels on the opposite side from roads in the US?

 

Did he only have an international license?

 

I am looking forward to a LOT more information on this tragedy.

 

Tourists need a month-long course, and a learner's permit, not a license, for the first 6 months, and then...

Hopefully by then, they will be long gone.

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, khunJam said:

Here’s what happened in case you missed it. A dingbat on a bike killed somebody who was out for a walk.

 

No... thats your bias interpretation of what happend.

 

What really happend - the facts. 

 

- American riding a Honda CRF down the road along side another rider. 

- A Thai lady attempted to Cross the road and was hit and killed. 

 

Thats ALL we know that happend so far....   your 'suggestion' that the American was a dingbat only serves to highlight an unintelligent bias, as does your 'polishing' of events as you imply the 'poor old Thai lady was out for a walk, as if she were safely walking down the pavement, when in fact she was crossing the road. 

 

I'm not sure whats wrong with some folk on this forum - the display an astonishing degree if unhinged bias, its so bizarre.

We have various folk applying vitriolic anti-foreign sentiment, then we have others applying a nasty anti-Thai bias - whats so hard about applying intelligent balance ????

 

 

12 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Preliminary investigations revealed that Mrs. Kia was crossing the road to dine at a restaurant on the opposite side when the dirt bike, traveling from Huay Kaew Subdistrict, collided with her. Mr Morrow was riding his dirt bike alongside his friend, who was on another motorcycle.

 

[Moonlover]

12 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Off to the monkey house for you kneeling won't bring back a life idiots on bikes again

No he won't do jail time. It will be a pay out to the bereaved family and a 'broker's fee' to the police. Job done.

[NorthernRyland]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm posting this not only for you but others............

assumption

noun

yes we know we're making assumptions in lieu of information. It's all fun and games on the internet, why else use the forum? I didn't even know until later there was another article which stated she was crossing the road so at least we know that much.

 

Also note I never condemned that specific individual with certainty, I'm just saying we have a problem with dangerous driving and dirt bike riders are often culprits, Thai or otherwise so it's very possible he was driving like so many of those people I see.

 

 

[Thingamabob]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

Was there a pedestrian crossing ????

Have re-read the article and there is no reference to a pedestrian crossing. My mistake.

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, 1happykamper said:

How does any not see what in front of them? A pedestrian is moving slowly.. Usually standing still for a while... So a dirt bike rider must had ample time to react. Right? 

 

that's a very reasonable assumption. The women may have been standing in the middle of the road waiting for cars to pass and bike slipped through a gap and found her right in front of him without time to react. Many such cases.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

12 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Off to the monkey house for you kneeling won't bring back a life idiots on bikes again

No he won't do jail time. It will be a pay out to the bereaved family and a 'broker's fee' to the police. Job done.

 

If he was not at fault and was simply riding down the road when the woman stepped out,  why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ????

 

If he was proven to be speeding or riding dangerously, thats a different matter.

 

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, BarBoy said:

Farang haters..

 

They think because they have an amulet or two and can say hello and thank you in Thai that they are now Thai...

 

Laughable.

 

You forgot the Thai back tattoo. More Thai than Som Chai with his 5 amulets will ever be.

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

1 hour ago, 1happykamper said:

How does any not see what in front of them? A pedestrian is moving slowly.. Usually standing still for a while... So a dirt bike rider must had ample time to react. Right? 

 

that's a very reasonable assumption. The women may have been standing in the middle of the road waiting for cars to pass and bike slipped through a gap and found her right in front of him without time to react. Many such cases.

 

Or the pedestrian stepped out into the road at a the last minute and the motorcyclist had no time to react.... Many such cases...     

[BarBoy]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If he was not at fault and was simply riding down the road when the woman stepped out,  why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ???

...because he is a farang?

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, khunJam said:

I have driven up Mae Kampong a number of times and always see impatient foreigners on motorcycles.

 

Exactly I live in a similar area and these guys often come in packs and tear through little roads at high speeds. That was my only point I ever made, it's reasonable assumption this guy was doing the same but we don't know that for sure of course.

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

yes we know we're making assumptions in lieu of information. It's all fun and games on the internet, why else use the forum? I didn't even know until later there was another article which stated she was crossing the road so at least we know that much.

 

Its literally, in the OP !!!... 

 

  13 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Preliminary investigations revealed that Mrs. Kia was crossing the road to dine at a restaurant on the opposite side when the dirt bike, traveling from Huay Kaew Subdistrict, collided with her. Mr Morrow was riding his dirt bike alongside his friend, who was on another motorcycle.

 

 

7 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

Also note I never condemned that specific individual with certainty, I'm just saying we have a problem with dangerous driving and dirt bike riders are often culprits, Thai or otherwise so it's very possible he was driving like so many of those people I see.

 

 

Bias much ?....     

 

While many motorcyclist are indeed reckless, there are also many pedestrians which show an astonishing absense of self preservation. 

 

I'm not sure why you think the riders of 'dirt bikes' are any worse than other riders - perhaps the noise they make has impacted your judgment ?

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, BarBoy said:

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If he was not at fault and was simply riding down the road when the woman stepped out,  why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ???

...because he is a farang?

 

Don't be stupid... 

[BarBoy]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Don't be stupid... 

I'm not.

 

That's usually how it goes.

[NorthernRyland]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Its literally, in the OP !!!... 

 

  13 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Preliminary investigations revealed that Mrs. Kia was crossing the road to dine at a restaurant on the opposite side when the dirt bike, traveling from Huay Kaew Subdistrict, collided with her. Mr Morrow was riding his dirt bike alongside his friend, who was on another motorcycle.

 

 

 

Bias much ?....     

 

While many motorcyclist are indeed reckless, there are also many pedestrians which show an astonishing absense of self preservation. 

 

I'm not sure why you think the riders of 'dirt bikes' are any worse than other riders - perhaps the noise they make has impacted your judgment ?

 

 

I missed that, shame on me.

 

The dirt bikes and larger bikes in general are fun to drive fast so that's why people get them. It's just a fact those guys are driving faster than other vehicles. 

 

The other reason is that often they come off of open roads and don't adjust their pace when they enter a residential area. I see this all the time. It's not JUST them, the pickup drivers transporting produce from the mountains are by far the worst offenders of anyone.

[SiSePuede419]

Dirt bike, Dirtbag. 😠

[NorthernRyland]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

, there are also many pedestrians which show an astonishing absense of self preservation. 

 

and this, yes I agree. It's also 100% possible the woman was to blame and the rider had no chance to avoid her. We're just speculating about possible scenarios, not making official pronouncements.

[Dave0206]

As stated we really do not have all the facts yet but what I do know is I feel sorry for both the victims family and the rider it may well be his fault but I'm sure he didn't set out in the morning thinking I wonder how I can screw up my life today.

There are not many of us who can say hand on heart we have never taken our eyes off the road for a second and been lucky someone didn't step out in front of us.

Any one of us who drives in Thailand never intend to have an accident but normal rules do not apply things are not black and white like may be in our own country. 

So I say have a heart the rider is in turmoil after killing someone in a country where the law is not clear for next step for him his best bet would be find the best lawyer he can afford 

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, BarBoy said:

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Don't be stupid... 

I'm not.

 

That's usually how it goes.

 

Hopefully I'm not the bearer of bad news, though I very much doubt you'll reach the epiphany of self-awareness... 

 

Given much of your content, Bob,...  You are, thats usually how most of your posts go !!!...  

[GammaGlobulin]

Actually, Thai people drive a lot better than most Farang are willing to admit.

This seems to be due to some type of bias.

 

Whenever I am riding around, in a car, very seldom see bad driving, or unsafe driving.

The driving in the US is worse, please believe me.

The road rage is also worse.

But, in the US, far, far fewer motorbikes.

This is the major cause of higher death-toll....I would imagine.

 

Americans are NOT careful drivers, on average.

 

Some have said that this guy will not do jail time, even if found to be at fault.

This is not good.

 

And, what is this guy's driving record in the USA....I WOULD like to see his past driving record...for sure.

 

One's driving record history tells a lot.

At age 38, anyone will be able to tell if this guy is an habitually reckless-speeding driver.

 

Also, any DUIs?

Etc.

 

We need that record.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Dirt bike, Dirtbag. 😠

 

Are you competing with Bob for the 'dim comment crown' ???

[SiSePuede419]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

Are you competing with Bob

Bring (your) Own Bottle?

 

That Bob? 😀

[BarBoy]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Hopefully I'm not the bearer of bad news, though I very much doubt you'll reach the epiphany of self-awareness... 

 

Given much of your content, Bob,...  You are, thats usually how most of your posts go !!!...  

oh Richard, I actually quite like you but that thin veneer of likability is shrinking by the second...

 

It's sad because I think you are one of a few on here that actually does have something good to say (sometimes)...

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

As stated we really do not have all the facts yet but what I do know is I feel sorry for both the victims family and the rider it may well be his fault but I'm sure he didn't set out in the morning thinking I wonder how I can screw up my life today.

There are not many of us who can say hand on heart we have never taken our eyes off the road for a second and been lucky someone didn't step out in front of us.

Any one of us who drives in Thailand never intend to have an accident but normal rules do not apply things are not black and white like may be in our own country. 

So I say have a heart the rider is in turmoil after killing someone in a country where the law is not clear for next step for him his best bet would be find the best lawyer he can afford 

 

100% agree....      (I mentioned it earlier)...   it is essential to ride (and drive) with Dash-Cams here (and anywhere else for that matter).

 

I have a 'fixed fwd and rear facing' dash-cam (Innov) on my bike, that hopefully clears up any ambiguity with regards to fault and blame in such a devastating scenario. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Are you competing with Bob

Bring (your) Own Bottle?

 

That Bob? 😀

 

Bob - BarBoy (one in the same)....    either that or the ability for BarBoy to recreate Bob Smith's inanity, bigotry and silliness is truly astonishing.... 

[Moonlover]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If he was not at fault and was simply riding down the road when the woman stepped out,  why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ????

 

If he was proven to be speeding or riding dangerously, thats a different matter.

 

Thai Traffic Law Section 32 states:

 

'The driver shall be careful not to hit pedestrians and may use the horn if necessary. The driver shall be especially careful with children elderly persons and disabled persons'. 

 

The police will decide, of course whether the above applies. As is often said 'RTP, the finest police force money can buy'.

[daveAustin]

31 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm not sure whats wrong with some folk on this forum - the display an astonishing degree if unhinged bias, its so bizarre.

We have various folk applying vitriolic anti-foreign sentiment, then we have others applying a nasty anti-Thai bias - whats so hard about applying intelligent balance ????

Me neither. Many clearly do it for 'likes', others bored with no life, others drunk and don't know what they're doing, others unhinged, others just plain manchild stock etc etc, and all of the above. Then you get the numpties bunging in laughing emoticons when someone has been killed. Seriously worry about this forum at times.

 

Those that have not been and don't where Chiang Mai is, it is in the north amidst mountains and 'dirt' bikes are ten-a-penny and as legal to ride on the road as a Honda Dream. Just because one chooses to do so does not mean they are an idiot or are riding idiotically. if this guy was, then fair enough, but for all we know he wasn't. 

[BarBoy]

1 minute ago, Moonlover said:

The police will decide

The police have already decided.

 

The rest will be up to the courts, providing the farang can't bribe his way out of trouble before it goes that far that is...

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, BarBoy said:

oh Richard, I actually quite like you but that thin veneer of likability is shrinking by the second...

 

It's sad because I think you are one of a few on here that actually does have something good to say (sometimes)...

 

Then, raise your standards and don’t limit yourself with such thoughtless musings, bigotry, or ignorance.

 

I take each thread you comment on based on its individual merit. However, when you fall back on some of your more predictable remarks, I’ll address those accordingly, judging them on their own merit as well.

[BarBoy]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Then, raise your standards and don’t limit yourself with such thoughtless musings, bigotry, or ignorance.

My 'musings' are based solely on my experiences whilst living in Thailand for many years.

 

As I assume yours are.

 

I can't help/change my own subjective reality, can I rich?...