American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, sambum said:

Did you read the second paragraph of my post? 

 

Though poor communication a lot of people will draw incorrect conclusions from an interaction. 

 

It might be that the moto-rider was simply trying it on and your friend put two and two together and made five - its certainly not enough to establish a generalised consensus that the 'farang' is always at fault - its been proven time and time again that this is false commentary.

 

 

[Ralf001]

10 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

One reason this dirt-bike is not roadworthy is its muffler system.

These dirt-bikes are just too noisy for the local roads.

They cause much disturbance to the community.

And, they are often driven too fast.

 

Also, other reasons these bikes should not be on the roads, which I will mention later, if anyone might be interested.

 

 

 

The CRF300 in question is a dual sport motorbike and is road legal.

please stop dribbling your uneducated BS.

[sambum]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Though poor communication a lot of people will draw incorrect conclusions from an interaction. 

 

It might be that the moto-rider was simply trying it on and your friend put two and two together and made five - its certainly not enough to establish a generalised consensus that the 'farang' is always at fault - its been proven time and time again that this is false commentary.

 

 

 

"It might be that the moto-rider was simply trying it on"

"...your friend put two and two together and made five"

 

Same, same but different?

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

One reason this dirt-bike is not roadworthy is its muffler system.

These dirt-bikes are just too noisy for the local roads.

They cause much disturbance to the community.

And, they are often driven too fast.

 

The Honda CRF produces 85 to 95 decibels (dB) under normal operation - thats perfectly normal. 

By comparison, the Honda Click produces 70 to 90 decibels (dB).

 

The CRF is a normal bike, perfectly legal for road use.

 

These motorcycles cause no more disturbances to communities than any other motorcycles - its actually the little hoons racing skinny wheeled modified pocket rockets that cause the disturbances. 

 

And no, your 'sweeping generalisation' that they are often driven too fast is just silly... How many Honda CRF's have you actually ever seen on the roads ?? 

 

 

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Also, other reasons these bikes should not be on the roads, which I will mention later, if anyone might be interested.

 

Go ahead...  Why a Honda CRF should not be allowed on the roads, more than any other bikes such as Suzuki Hyabusa, BMW GS1300, Vespa GTS, Honda ADV150, etc etc... 

 

 - It would add an interesting facet to the discussion.

 

Only one thing I can think of is 'tyres' as off-road tyres (that are road legal) have less road grip - which is one reason these bikes cannot be ridden quickly on the road. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, sambum said:

 

"It might be that the moto-rider was simply trying it on"

"...your friend put two and two together and made five"

 

Same, same but different?

 

To be fair - your friend could have interpreted the situation accurately.

 

Its also noted that 'some' foreigners have encountered situations where they are targeted for blame in an accident simply because they are a foreigner.

 

However, its often the case that the foreigner doesn't understand the situation and cultural norms.

 

Regardless, there are enough first hand experiences (my own too) that highlight the idea that the foreigner will always be blamed is a fallacy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sambum]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

To be fair - your friend could have interpreted the situation accurately.

 

Its also noted that 'some' foreigners have encountered situations where they are targeted for blame in an accident simply because they are a foreigner.

 

However, its often the case that the foreigner doesn't understand the situation and cultural norms.

 

Regardless, there are enough first hand experiences (my own too) that highlight the idea that the foreigner will always be blamed is a fallacy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure that my friend (as you say) interptreted the situation correctly. I also know of at least 2 other incidents where the Police tried to pin the blame on the foreigner when the Thai was at fault. If I was being cynical, I would think that the Police were trying to get a backhander from the foreigner, as I have been told that Thais on motorbikes don't have any money! 🙂 

 

P.S. I am not saying that the foreigner will ALWAYS be blamed - only that it does happen, and that in 3 instances that I know of - certainly not "bar stool bull*hit"!

[GammaGlobulin]

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The Honda CRF produces 85 to 95 decibels (dB) under normal operation - thats perfectly normal. 

By comparison, the Honda Click produces 70 to 90 decibels (dB).

 

The dB unit is LOGARITHMIC.

Therefore, 96 dB is tremendously louder than 10 dB.

 

The dirt-bikes should stay off the roads.

If need be, just truck them to where they will be used.

They are a disturbance on both city and country roads.

 

 

I have studied a LOT of Math in my time.....and you?

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, sambum said:

I'm pretty sure that my friend (as you say) interptreted the situation correctly. I also know of at least 2 other incidents where the Police tried to pin the blame on the foreigner when the Thai was at fault. If I was being cynical, I would think that the Police were trying to get a backhander from the foreigner, as I have been told that Thais on motorbikes don't have any money! 🙂 

 

Yep... I can see all of that happening...   The Police follow a path of least resistance and their only interest is to make a bit of money unless otherwise instructed, pushed or its seems too much effort.

 

There are also cultural factors at play: The Thai Police will often arbitrate in favour of the poorer party.. i.e. if a car is involved in a motorcycle collision, the police are likely to initially (and automatically) err in favour of the motorcyclist as the car likely has insurance, the motorcycle likely won't - If a foreigner is driving the car, he will see this as unfair and often misinterpret that he is being blamed because he is a foreigner. 

 

The same happens to a lesser extent with motorcycles, however the 'foreigner' being seen as they weather party will be asked to pay, not because they are a foreigner, but becase the 'path of least resistance' suggest its easier for them to pay.

 

In any of these situations, when polite resistance is show, the Police can and often will change their minds and resort to the actual laws rather than a social norm. 

 

This 'informal arbitration' manner of doing things here is often applied more so in areas away from major cities etc... 

Many foreigners here will not understand this approach and instead think they are victims, which is often not the case and they have simply been treated exactly as a Thai who displays similar financial optics would be treated. 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

The dB unit is LOGARITHMIC.

Therefore, 96 dB is tremendously louder than 10 dB.

 

I know.. however, the Thai limit is 95 dB.

 

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

The dirt-bikes should stay off the roads.

 

The Honda CRF is a road legal bike than can also be used off-road.

 

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

If need be, just truck them to where they will be used.

 

You've missed the whole point of such bikes - they are designed specifically to be ridden on the road legally to and from 'non-road', green-lanes, forest trails etc.... off the beaten path.

 

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

They are a disturbance on both city and country roads.

 

Thats just your unhinged bias... like a grumpy old man complaining - show critical thought in this matter. 

 

Please try and explain how these machines are any more disturbing than any other motorcycle. 

 

Noise isn't a factor, I've already established that the bike operates within legal limits and is not significantly louder than many other vehicles on the road - certainly not louder than Trimphs, Ducati's and Harleys.

 

In fact - I'd never heard that noise was an issue with bikes such as the CRF until you mentioned it.

 

Have you have become confused with the noisy two-stroke 'scramblers / dirt-bikes' of the past and modern four-stroke machines ?

 

 

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yep... I can see all of that happening...   The Police follow a path of least resistance and their only interest is to make a bit of money unless otherwise instructed, pushed or its seems too much effort.

 

There are also cultural factors at play: The Thai Police will often arbitrate in favour of the poorer party.. i.e. if a car is involved in a motorcycle collision, the police are likely to initially (and automatically) err in favour of the motorcyclist as the car likely has insurance, the motorcycle likely won't - If a foreigner is driving the car, he will see this as unfair and often misinterpret that he is being blamed because he is a foreigner. 

 

The same happens to a lesser extent with motorcycles, however the 'foreigner' being seen as they weather party will be asked to pay, not because they are a foreigner, but becase the 'path of least resistance' suggest its easier for them to pay.

 

In any of these situations, when polite resistance is show, the Police can and often will change their minds and resort to the actual laws rather than a social norm. 

 

This 'informal arbitration' manner of doing things here is often applied more so in areas away from major cities etc... 

Many foreigners here will not understand this approach and instead think they are victims, which is often not the case and they have simply been treated exactly as a Thai who displays similar financial optics would be treated. 

 

 

 

Off topic, the dead lady was on foot.

[MalcolmB]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats just your unhinged bias... like a grumpy old man complaining - show critical though in this matter. 

That’s a bit Rich.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Off topic, the dead lady was on foot.

 

How a foreigner is treated compared to a Thai when involved in an incident here is a factor at the very core of this topic. 

 

The fact that you are not bright enough to grasp that has no relevance on this matter. 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats just your unhinged bias... like a grumpy old man complaining - show critical though in this matter. 

That’s a bit Rich.

 

Suggests the poster who displays more unhinged bias than the 99% of the posters on this forum.... 

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

How a foreigner is treated compared to a Thai when involved in an incident here is a factor at the very core of this topic. 

 

The fact that you are not bright enough to grasp that has no relevance on this matter. 

I thought it was about the American killing a Thai woman.

is the American claiming he has been unfairly treated?

 

American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman 

 

 

[freedomnow]

2 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Can't say that I have.

 

On my CB450s...riding around Martha's Vineyard...

I wore a bathing suit....

Or nothing at all.

 

90-miles an hour, girl, in a bathing suit.

 

That's the speed I drive.

Same as Jimi.

 

 

And, I wouldn't never be caught dead on a Dirt-Bike....neither.

 

 

That was your first near-human sounding post on TV...(sorry..AM) since joining...well done.

I had always tagged you as an AI immersed in a jar of magic mushroom juice.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

I thought it was about the American killing a Thai woman.

is the American claiming he has been unfairly treated.

 

American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman 

 

Yawn - your persistence to keep trolling is impressive.. He didn't 'kill her'... 

 

The discussion has evolved with some suggesting 'the foreigner is always at fault'...   

 

If you are unable to follow the ebb and flow of the discussion, then don't comment until you learn the big words and can keep up.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

That was your first near-human sounding post on TV...(sorry..AM) since joining...well done.

I had always tagged you as an AI immersed in a jar of magic mushroom juice.

 

I think he's passed on his psychedelic laced seminal juices onto Malcy who's persistently nursing his throbbing lady boner for the false, the inaccurate and delusionally distorted... 

[MalcolmB]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

Yawn - your persistence to keep trolling is impressive.. He didn't 'kill her'... 

Right, ok, the headline was wrong.

You had better call up Mae Onn police station and let them know to drop the charges. 
You better call Philip also and tell him to stop apologizing to the woman’s family. 
 

Plonker

[GammaGlobulin]

8 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

That was your first near-human sounding post on TV...(sorry..AM) since joining...well done.

I had always tagged you as an AI immersed in a jar of magic mushroom juice.

 

I never write posts which sound inhuman, either, although I am sure that you already know.

 

[MalcolmB]

7 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

That was your first near-human sounding post on TV...(sorry..AM) since joining...well done.

I had always tagged you as an AI immersed in a jar of magic mushroom juice.

A troll is a troll.

Not sure why he does it, but I suspect he likes using big words and enjoys putting people down.

You just can’t make this stuff up. 
But he does. 
 

Fairly distasteful, a woman has tragically died.

RIP 

Ms Ghia

[richard_smith237]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Right, ok, the headline was wrong.

You had better call up Mae Onn police station and let them know to drop the charges. 
You better call Philip also and tell him to stop apologizing to the woman’s family. 
 

Plonker

 

It does not surprise me in the least that you are unable to comprehend the nuanced flaws in the term 'killed' when used in this context.

 

Along with your bigoted sweeping generalisations, misuse of media commentary as fact, an inability to present any balanced perspective, your comments also betray your fundamentally flawed education. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

A troll is a troll.

Not sure why he does it, but I suspect he likes using big words and enjoys putting people down.

You just can’t make this stuff up. 
But he does. 

 

They're not big words...  you just struggle with standard socio-phonetics - no surprise there.

 

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Fairly distasteful, a woman has tragically died.

RIP 

Ms Ghia

 

Yawn...  You have already been called out on this distasteful gaslighting... 

 

RIP of course, but you using this to attack posters shows your true character.

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

One reason this dirt-bike is not roadworthy is its muffler system.

These dirt-bikes are just too noisy for the local roads.

They cause much disturbance to the community.

And, they are often driven too fast.

 

Also, other reasons these bikes should not be on the roads, which I will mention later, if anyone might be interested.

 

 

You are misinformed.  The Honda dual sports are plugged up with a restrictive exhaust.

[ravip]

9 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Amazing isn't it. There have been more posts and pages in one day on this relatively minor incident than have been on the major disaster that took place in Korea 6 days ago.

 

This post 14 pages 400 posts

 

Disaster in Korea  12 pages 342 posts

 

What does that say about the mind set of this forum I wonder.

What does that say about the mind set of this forum I wonder.

 

It is just a handful of people who rocks the boat with their arrogance, and a few of their obedient followers who follow them singing hosannas..

 

[Captain Flack]

Can we stop the ongoing bickering and stay on topic, or posts will be removec.

[PB172111]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

The dB unit is LOGARITHMIC.

Therefore, 96 dB is tremendously louder than 10 dB.

 

The dirt-bikes should stay off the roads.

If need be, just truck them to where they will be used.

They are a disturbance on both city and country roads.

 

 

I have studied a LOT of Math in my time.....and you?

 

 

Maybe you have studied math but you are sure as heck inexperienced in your comments on motorbikes

[GammaGlobulin]

7 minutes ago, PB172111 said:

Maybe you have studied math but you are sure as heck inexperienced in your comments on motorbikes

 

I have not ridden in ages.

This is why I am now so old.

 

[TedG]

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What makes you think that it is?

 

I’ve ridden one.  It’s plenty road worthy. 

[TedG]

2 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

One reason this dirt-bike is not roadworthy is its muffler system.

These dirt-bikes are just too noisy for the local roads.

They cause much disturbance to the community.

And, they are often driven too fast.

 

Also, other reasons these bikes should not be on the roads, which I will mention later, if anyone might be interested.

 

 

Huh?  The CF300L is a quiet bike.  

 

Tell me about the other reasons.  I’m looking forward to debunking you. 

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

The dB unit is LOGARITHMIC.

Therefore, 96 dB is tremendously louder than 10 dB.

 

The dirt-bikes should stay off the roads.

If need be, just truck them to where they will be used.

They are a disturbance on both city and country roads.

 

 

I have studied a LOT of Math in my time.....and you?

 

 

The CRF300 in question is a dual sport motorbike and is road legal.

please stop dribbling your uneducated BS.