Photos of destruction as a result of the incompetent world leader & his party

[Hawaiian]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

The fires have been happening many years prior to Trump !

 

I posted the LAPD “design  for disaster” video from 1962 ! Same issues , same crisis . P poor water management and ground maintenance issues .

The dems have owned that state  governor’s office for  the last 13 years.

But thats ok , cause after the political fall out , the mayor & Governor will have a nil chance of

getting  re elected!

 

Of course it has been happening for years.  Rapid development means more to burn, thus more publicity.

[Hawaiian]

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Currently, humanity has warmed the oceans by 1.1 degrees C. That number might sound insignificant, but represents an unimaginable amount of energy.

 

The Tsar Bomba is the most powerful nuclear device ever detonated by man. It released an estimated 210 petajoules of energy.

 

To warm the oceans by 1 degree C requires 5,730,000 petajoules, or approximately 273,000 Tsar Bombas.

 

I haven't done the math, but I am guessing the result of warming the oceans by one more degree would result in winds of 300-500 km/hr.

Appreciate your information.  The fact is the situation is not only due to climate change, but also to building in areas that are prone to wildfires.  Similar to building next to a shoreline prone to damaging high surf.  The insurance companies know this, hence ridiculously high premiums, cancellations or no available coverage.

[Tippaporn]

18 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Can someone who knows what they are talking about comment on this?......

 

Is it a total pack of lies, the God honest truth or a serious distortion of the facts.

 

If it is the truth where does that leave you regarding the likes of Musk and his tweets?

 

FACT: The number of CalFIRE personnel has nearly doubled since 2019 (from 5,829 to 10,741)

FACT: CalFIRE’s budget has nearly doubled since 2019 ($2 Billion to $3.8 Billion)

LIE – These Wildfires are Caused by California’s Mismanagement of Forest Lands 

FACT: The budget for managing the forest (AKA “raking the forest”) is now TEN TIMES larger than it was when Governor Newsom took office. It was a $200 million annual budget in 2018. The state has now invested $2 billion, in addition to the $200 million annually.

FACT: California dramatically ramped up state work to increase wildland and forest resilience, as well as adding unprecedented resources to support wildfire response. California officials treated more than 700,000 acres of land for wildfire resilience in 2023, and prescribed fires more than doubled between 2021 and 2023.

 

 

 

 

http://www.californiafirefacts.com

 

LOL.  Why didn't you link to the source, Willy?  Was it because you didn't want anyone to know that it came from one of the main players responsible for this massive tragedy?  Of course Newsom is going to make himself shine.

 

Hat tip to nauseus.

 

16 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

FACT the full link is https://gavinnewsom.com/california-fire-facts/

 

Uh oh!

 

Even if Newsom's supposed accomplishments are true the bottom line is that the estimates from a few days ago were $150 billion in destruction.  And counting.  So, for all of these so called accomplishments the end result is massive failure of a historic nature.

 

But what you don't address are the specifics of how the failed efforts to combat the fires, not to mention the policies that allowed for the tinderbox conditions to be optimized - yes, optimized - were due to California "leadership" policies.

 

For instance, you could start by answering the question of where the hell the fire trucks were?

 

Rick Caruso, who ran against LA Mayor Karen Bass, saved his shopping mall with privately contracted fire fighters.  The rest of the area burnt to the ground.  Pacific Palisades, btw, voted 70% for Karen Bass.  People always get the government they deserve, don't they?

 

 

Or, you could address the policies that led to the almost year long closure of the Santa Ynez Reservoir due to a several feet long tear in the cover.  Especially during the period of the Santa Anas when the risks of fires are at their peak and all water systems must be operable during the fire season.

 

Or why it was closed last February, bids for repairing the cover didn't begin until April, and it took until November before a contract was awarded.

 

Are those dumb azz ideas that contributed to the disaster?  Should those folks be held accountable for their mismanagement?  Or is there no accountability for failure in the liberal progressive Democratic world?  Hell, failure more often gets you promoted.

 

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

 

Emptying of the reservoir began in February after a tear in the floating cover measuring several feet allowed debris, bird droppings and other objects to enter the water supply. DWP drained the site to avoid contamination and comply with water regulations.

DWP sought bids for the repair in April, at a cost of up to $89,000. In November, the utility signed off on a contract with a Lakeside firm for about $130,000, records show.

The status of the repairs is unclear. The DWP’s employee union leader condemned the months-long wait to restore the reservoir.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

 

The above are just a start, Willy.

[Hawaiian]

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

LOL.  Why didn't you link to the source, Willy?  Was it because you didn't want anyone to know that it came from one of the main players responsible for this massive tragedy?  Of course Newsom is going to make himself shine.

 

Hat tip to nauseus.

 

 

Even if Newsom's supposed accomplishments are true the bottom line is that the estimates from a few days ago were $150 billion in destruction.  And counting.  So, for all of these so called accomplishments the end result is massive failure of a historic nature.

 

But what you don't address are the specifics of how the failed efforts to combat the fires, not to mention the policies that allowed for the tinderbox conditions to be optimized - yes, optimized - were due to California "leadership" policies.

 

For instance, you could start by answering the question of where the hell the fire trucks were?

 

Rick Caruso, who ran against LA Mayor Karen Bass, saved his shopping mall with privately contracted fire fighters.  The rest of the area burnt to the ground.  Pacific Palisades, btw, voted 70% for Karen Bass.  People always get the government they deserve, don't they?

 

 

Or, you could address the policies that led to the almost year long closure of the Santa Ynez Reservoir due to a several feet long tear in the cover.  Especially during the period of the Santa Anas when the risks of fires are at their peak and all water systems must be operable during the fire season.

 

Or why it was closed last February, bids for repairing the cover didn't begin until April, and it took until November before a contract was awarded.

 

Are those dumb azz ideas that contributed to the disaster?  Should those folks be held accountable for their mismanagement?  Or is there no accountability for failure in the liberal progressive Democratic world?  Hell, failure more often gets you promoted.

 

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

 

Emptying of the reservoir began in February after a tear in the floating cover measuring several feet allowed debris, bird droppings and other objects to enter the water supply. DWP drained the site to avoid contamination and comply with water regulations.

DWP sought bids for the repair in April, at a cost of up to $89,000. In November, the utility signed off on a contract with a Lakeside firm for about $130,000, records show.

The status of the repairs is unclear. The DWP’s employee union leader condemned the months-long wait to restore the reservoir.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

 

The above are just a start, Willy.

I noticed many of the issues you mentioned such as the ridiculous timeline for repairs.  Being quite familiar how these contracts work, there is no acceptable reason for the delays.  A "forced" or cost-plus contract could have been used since time was of the essence.

 

[Tippaporn]

Again, to all those who throw their hands up in surrender and wail that human agency is useless in the face of nature here's ordinary citizen John Carr, armed with nothing more than his common sense, the belief that he could have an impact, and guts, who saved his home and others whilst the rest of his childhood neighborhood turned to ashes.

 

Pacific Palisades resident John Carr, 65, defied evacuation orders to save his family home from the devastating wildfire that ravaged his neighborhood. Armed with a garden hose and determination, Carr worked tirelessly to protect the house his parents built in 1960, saying it was worth fighting for. Though exhausted and injured, Carr successfully saved his property and even prevented the destruction of neighboring homes. He criticized the Los Angeles Fire Department’s response, believing more proactive efforts could have saved additional houses. To his neighbors, Carr is a hero for his bravery and selflessness.

 

To quote Mr. Carr:

 

"When I was out here hosing the house down and getting ready, and when the houses started to burn, I-didn't-see-one-single-fire-truck-out-here-at-all.  Zero.

 

"If they had had some fire trucks just to put a squirt here, a squirt there, and kept an eye on things all these houses would be here right now.  I'm telling you right now I saw it with my own eyeballs.  All these houses.  These houses behind me are all gone.  They started with one little spark, one little small fire.  If they just squirted those out, had a few people out there, they'd all be here now."

 

Instead, the call was to evacuate and, don't worry folks, the fire department has got it in hand and will be here shortly.

 

 

Most every resident living in a fire zone should have fire fighting training.  At minimum, knowledge about wildfires and steps that can be taken when they happen.  That's a common sense idea, no?  Could of had a neighborhood full of John Carrs and saved their homes.  And, most importantly, halted the further spread of the fires due to the embers coming from their burning home wafting through the air to set the next neighborhood on fire.

[Hawaiian]

10 hours ago, riclag said:

Dem  Governor (Newsom) in California  a one time Presidential hopeful for the Toxic Dem party can kiss those dreams

good bye! He & the Dem Mayor have created a political disaster!

 

 

Unbelievable!  How can these turkeys live with themselves; I'm talking about Bass and Newsom.

[jerrymahoney]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Pacific Palisades resident John Carr, 65, defied evacuation orders to save his family home from the devastating wildfire that ravaged his neighborhood. Armed with a garden hose and determination, Carr worked tirelessly to protect the house his parents built in 1960, saying it was worth fighting for.

The flip-side:

 

Eaton Fire victim dies holding a hose, defending home

 

Updated: Jan 9, 2025 / 02:34 AM PST -- One of the five confirmed fatalities from the destructive Eaton Fire was identified on Wednesday morning when his family found his body on the side of the road by their home – with a garden hose still in his hand.

 

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/eaton-fire-victim-dies-holding-a-hose-defending-home/

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Unbelievable!  How can these turkeys live with themselves; I'm talking about Bass and Newsom.

 

Simple.  Because they have no values.  Thus no conscience.

 

I lay the ultimate blame on the ignorant people who voted for them.  The old adage holds true; people always get the government they deserve.  @Will B Good, for instance, is still defending Newsom despite this massive failure for which he played a major role.  He'll keep voting for criminal ineptitude.  He want moar of the same.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The flip-side:

 

Eaton Fire victim dies holding a hose, defending home

 

Updated: Jan 9, 2025 / 02:34 AM PST -- One of the five confirmed fatalities from the destructive Eaton Fire was identified on Wednesday morning when his family found his body on the side of the road by their home – with a garden hose still in his hand.

 

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/eaton-fire-victim-dies-holding-a-hose-defending-home/

 

And the full story is?  The article isn't heavy on specific details.  John Carr, for instance, had protective gear.  If you don't have that then the smoke itself can overcome you.  Hence it would be futile to stay.  From what can be gathered from the article it appears that Victor Shaw did not have any protective gear.

 

Whether to stay and fight or not is a decision that is dependent on a host of factors.  One of the main ones is common sense.  Unfortunately, common sense is lacking amongst many people.  Victor Shaw apparently was one of those people.

[Hawaiian]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

And the full story is?  The article isn't heavy on specific details.  John Carr, for instance, had protective gear.  If you don't have that then the smoke itself can overcome you.  Hence it would be futile to stay.  From what can be gathered from the article it appears that Victor Shaw did not have any protective gear.

 

Whether to stay and fight or not is a decision that is dependent on a host of factors.  One of the main ones is common sense.  Unfortunately, common sense is lacking amongst many people.  Victor Shaw apparently was one of those people.

Exactly.  Firefighters are not only trained, most have the experience needed behind of them.   Not wearing the appropriate protective gear is suicidal.  It's almost like going to a gunfight without a gun.

[Tippaporn]

10 hours ago, riclag said:

Dem  Governor (Newsom) in California  a one time Presidential hopeful for the Toxic Dem party can kiss those dreams

good bye! He & the Dem Mayor have created a political disaster!

 

 

 

@Will B Good

 

How about addressing Joe Siracusa's charge:

 

"Keep in mind that there are seven major water facilities that were supposed to be built but they couldn't meet the ecosystem's criteria as a result of Newsom's pushing on this angle here."

 

Was that one of the liberal progressive Dem policies that had bearing on this disaster?  Any comment or analysis, Willy?  I didn't see that fact listed on Newsom's California Fire Facts website.  Are you asking yourself why?  Or are you afraid to ask questions at all because it might lead to the truth and so destroy your precious worldview?  In which case you're stuck with all that's involved in changing your ideas?

[jerrymahoney]

No way to say how many of those who evacuated, if they had stayed, would be charcoal.

[Jingthing]

55 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Unbelievable!  How can these turkeys live with themselves; I'm talking about Bass and Newsom.

Political hit piece chock full of LIES.

It's truly disgusting how the divisive forces of maga care 100 times more about the how they can smear their "enemies" with disinformation as opposed to dealing with an ongoing crisis in Southern Cali. 

Also truly disgusting. it's quite clear the "red" America under convicted felon Trump is going to help with the aftermath of this as weakly as possible only because it happened in a very blue state.

The foreign enemies of the USA rejoice! 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Appreciate your information.  The fact is the situation is not only due to climate change, but also to building in areas that are prone to wildfires.  Similar to building next to a shoreline prone to damaging high surf.  The insurance companies know this, hence ridiculously high premiums, cancellations or no available coverage.

Put simply, insurance companies are not climate denialists. They have entire departments dedicated to risk assessment.

 

Information coming out now is that the water supply is adequate, most Los Angeles reservoirs are full. Being at a lower level, the pumps getting the water up to the Palisades wildfire area were unable to cope with demand.

 

IMO at a wind speed of 100 km/hr, it is impossible if not suicidal to attempt to fight a wildfire.

[Tippaporn]

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You don't get it at all. You have no evidence whatsoever the fires were NOT caused by climate change.

 

Disastrous climate change due to man's activities is not my claim.  It's yours.  The burden of proof lies upon you.  Though a great many have taken on the burden of showing that it's a fallacy.

 

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Here's my evidence: LA had record rainfalls the two previous years, then a drought. Ideal conditions for creating fuel, then high winds to compound the problem.

 

I have to admit I laughed when I read that.  That's it?  That's the extent of your "evidence?"  I was expecting to see much more.  Maybe some pretty graphs and charts.  At least something, anything, that ties your evidence directly and conclusively to man's activities.  Mr. Scientist, you'll have to do much better than that.  This is beyond weak.

 

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Ignorance be damned. Any person with an understanding of the laws of thermodynamics knows those laws are the cause of 240 gigatons a year of Greenland ice melting, of record heat cells in Australia, and of high winds.

 

So the laws of thermodynamics are causing the warming of the earth, and all of the effects caused by that warming.  So you state.  Were the laws of thermodynamics then inoperative during the ice ages?  If those laws cause warming then what laws supercede them to cause cooling?

 

You seem to love to show off with your comprehensive knowledge of thermodynamics and deride others for their ignorance yet you never seem take the important step of explaining its workings to the "uneducated" readers that you seem to scorn so that they might become as enlightened on the subject as you claim to be.

 

If thermal dynamics is such an integral factor in the cause of "climate change" then it's incumbent upon you to explain it such that the average Joe and Jane can understand it and help clear up their misunderstandings.  Try teaching instead of haranguing.

 

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

As the planet warms up, wind speeds in hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones increase, ask any meteorologist. What makes you think the Santa Anna winds are immune to such change?

 

So your theory is that increased warming leads to increased wind speeds.  I won't argue that since I don't possess the knowledge to do so.  However, your implication is that the wind speed of the Santa Ana winds in question was increased due to "climate change."  Without providing any data to support that contention you can only then speculate.  Now that puts you in the realm of hypothesis.  Not proven science.

 

Good luck finding historical data on wind speeds that stretch back any further than the start of record taking.  I believe that leaves you with a tiny sliver of data which is insufficient in detecting any trends.  Speculation would be your limit, then.

 

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

. . . ask any meteorologist.

 

LOL.  I love the implication you wish to pass off as fact that all meteorologists are in agreement.  A known impossibility.  Another version of the belief in the logical fallacy promoted by climate changers that consensus equates to truth.  "Most scientists agree . . . "  LOL

 

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Yes, the people have spoken, and 50% are as dumb as rocks.

 

Not all of them have gone on to "higher learning centers" after high school but that fact doesn't lead to the conclusion that then they're all dumb as rocks.  That would be another logical fallacy if you were to suggest that.  But they are smart enough to recognise when their lives become intolerable and the dumb azz ideas that made their lives intolerable.  And they're smart enough, and brave enough, to demand a change.  Give them some credit, for crickey's sake.

 

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

What is sane about electing a climate denier, felon, and sexual predator as the most powerful leader on Earth?

 

Aw, just come out and be blunt about.  Just say it loudly, in caps, "I HATE TRUMP."  And because he was re-elected you then must turn your hate to those you blame for electing him.  ". . . 50% are as dumb as rocks."  To you they're only dumb as rocks because they voted for a guy you HATE.  That's pretty obvious, no?

 

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

America used to lead the world in education. It has slipped back quite badly, and you are evidence of that fall from grace.

 

And here, too, you don't get it at all.  The creation of an ideal life, or even world, is not dependent solely on intelligence alone.  Intelligence is not the solver of all problems, either.  Get off of your intellectual pedestal.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Exactly.  Firefighters are not only trained, most have the experience needed behind of them.   Not wearing the appropriate protective gear is suicidal.  It's almost like going to a gunfight without a gun.

 

It's common knowledge that the cause of death for most fire victims is smoke inhalation, not getting burned to death.  Victor Shaw seemed to not know that.

[Hawaiian]

56 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Political hit piece chock full of LIES.

It's truly disgusting how the divisive forces of maga care 100 times more about the how they can smear their "enemies" with disinformation as opposed to dealing with an ongoing crisis in Southern Cali. 

Also truly disgusting. it's quite clear the "red" America under convicted felon Trump is going to help with the aftermath of this as weakly as possible only because it happened in a very blue state.

The foreign enemies of the USA rejoice! 

Try convincing the 92,000 petitioners demanding the resignation of LA mayor Karen Bass.  While you at it you might want to notify Newsom's supporters that this is all all ploy by the forces of maga to sabotage his presidential ambitions.

Better hurry before the real story spreads like wildfire.  Pun intended.

[Hawaiian]

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Put simply, insurance companies are not climate denialists. They have entire departments dedicated to risk assessment.

 

Information coming out now is that the water supply is adequate, most Los Angeles reservoirs are full. Being at a lower level, the pumps getting the water up to the Palisades wildfire area were unable to cope with demand.

 

IMO at a wind speed of 100 km/hr, it is impossible if not suicidal to attempt to fight a wildfire.

Yet, some homes were saved by experienced private firefighters who knew what they were doing.  There are conflicting stories about the availability of sufficient water for firefighters.  Once and independent, unbiased investigation is done, I rather not comment.

[Tippaporn]

22 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

On 1/10/2025 at 8:03 PM, riclag said:

Everything the dems touch they destroy . Progressives visions of control are radical , destructive and the proof is in the pictures in the OP.

Such drama queen bunkum. It wasn't a political party you don't like that destroyed homes in LA. It was a fire. Even cavemen understood what fire is.

 

It was the policies of a political party which allowed the fires to destroy the homes.  Only rational cavemen understand that.

[Gecko123]

32 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Put simply, insurance companies are not climate denialists. They have entire departments dedicated to risk assessment.

 

That's a really good point Lacessit. I have a background in risk management. If all these climate change denialists are so convinced that climate change is a "Chinese hoax" they ought to start a property and casualty insurance company. They'll rake in billions charging excessive rates for extreme weather events which will never come to pass.

[Tippaporn]

20 hours ago, Will B Good said:

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

FACT the full link is https://gavinnewsom.com/california-fire-facts/

 

Uh oh!

 

So it is all lies?

 

How can he get away with that?

 

Newsom doesn't tell you all of the facts.  Up to you to find out what's missing and then, once all of the facts are assembled, can you draw a proper and accurate conclusion.  Newsom only tells you that which paints a pretty picture of him.  And he's convinced you.  If you don't ask questions you'll never know what's really true.  Ignorance is bliss, they say.

[Hawaiian]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Put simply, insurance companies are not climate denialists. They have entire departments dedicated to risk assessment.

 

Information coming out now is that the water supply is adequate, most Los Angeles reservoirs are full. Being at a lower level, the pumps getting the water up to the Palisades wildfire area were unable to cope with demand.

 

IMO at a wind speed of 100 km/hr, it is impossible if not suicidal to attempt to fight a wildfire.

 

29 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Disastrous climate change due to man's activities is not my claim.  It's yours.  The burden of proof lies upon you.  Though a great many have taken on the burden of showing that it's a fallacy.

 

 

I have to admit I laughed when I read that.  That's it?  That's the extent of your "evidence?"  I was expecting to see much more.  Maybe some pretty graphs and charts.  At least something, anything, that ties your evidence directly and conclusively to man's activities.  Mr. Scientist, you'll have to do much better than that.  This is beyond weak.

 

 

So the laws of thermodynamics are causing the warming of the earth, and all of the effects caused by that warming.  So you state.  Were the laws of thermodynamics then inoperative during the ice ages?  If those laws cause warming then what laws supercede them to cause cooling?

 

You seem to love to show off with your comprehensive knowledge of thermodynamics and deride others for their ignorance yet you never seem take the important step of explaining its workings to the "uneducated" readers that you seem to scorn so that they might become as enlightened on the subject as you claim to be.

 

If thermal dynamics is such an integral factor in the cause of "climate change" then it's incumbent upon you to explain it such that the average Joe and Jane can understand it and help clear up their misunderstandings.  Try teaching instead of haranguing.

 

 

So your theory is that increased warming leads to increased wind speeds.  I won't argue that since I don't possess the knowledge to do so.  However, your implication is that the wind speed of the Santa Ana winds in question was increased due to "climate change."  Without providing any data to support that contention you can only then speculate.  Now that puts you in the realm of hypothesis.  Not proven science.

 

Good luck finding historical data on wind speeds that stretch back any further than the start of record taking.  I believe that leaves you with a tiny sliver of data which is insufficient in detecting any trends.  Speculation would be your limit, then.

 

 

LOL.  I love the implication you wish to pass off as fact that all meteorologists are in agreement.  A known impossibility.  Another version of the belief in the logical fallacy promoted by climate changers that consensus equates to truth.  "Most scientists agree . . . "  LOL

 

 

Not all of them have gone on to "higher learning centers" after high school but that fact doesn't lead to the conclusion that then they're all dumb as rocks.  That would be another logical fallacy if you were to suggest that.  But they are smart enough to recognise when their lives become intolerable and the dumb azz ideas that made their lives intolerable.  And they're smart enough, and brave enough, to demand a change.  Give them some credit, for crickey's sake.

 

 

Aw, just come out and be blunt about.  Just say it loudly, in caps, "I HATE TRUMP."  And because he was re-elected you then must turn your hate to those you blame for electing him.  ". . . 50% are as dumb as rocks."  To you they're only dumb as rocks because they voted for a guy you HATE.  That's pretty obvious, no?

 

 

And here, too, you don't get it at all.  The creation of an ideal life, or even world, is not dependent solely on intelligence alone.  Intelligence is not the solver of all problems, either.  Get off of your intellectual pedestal.

"Smart is knowing if you're dumb.  Knowing when to shut up and listen to people that are smarter than you."---Chris Rock  

You sound like the smarter one.

[WorriedNoodle]

It takes a special kind of hate in a person like the op who can politicize a natural disaster like this. Wildfires are often the result of multiple factors, including climate change, weather patterns, human behavior, and even past fire suppression policies. Trying to assign blame to any one factor or person ignores the complexity of the issue.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

It takes a special kind of hate in a person like the op who can politicize a natural disaster like this. Wildfires are often the result of multiple factors, including climate change, weather patterns, human behavior, and even past fire suppression policies. Trying to assign blame to any one factor or person ignores the complexity of the issue.

Exactly.

[Tippaporn]

12 hours ago, riclag said:

Dem  Governor (Newsom) in California  a one time Presidential hopeful for the Toxic Dem party can kiss those dreams

good bye! He & the Dem Mayor have created a political disaster!

 

 

 

Another excellent video, riclag.  

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Another excellent video, riclag.  

Someone pass me a bucket, please.

[Tippaporn]

12 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Currently, humanity has warmed the oceans by 1.1 degrees C.

 

You state that as if it were fact.  LOL  Why not be honest about it and qualify it with "I believe."

[Hawaiian]

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Exactly.

Then why continue to participate?

[Hawaiian]

14 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

It takes a special kind of hate in a person like the op who can politicize a natural disaster like this. Wildfires are often the result of multiple factors, including climate change, weather patterns, human behavior, and even past fire suppression policies. Trying to assign blame to any one factor or person ignores the complexity of the issue.

Then why participate?

[Hawaiian]

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Someone pass me a bucket, please.

Why?  Toilet not working?