Photos of destruction as a result of the incompetent world leader & his party

[Tippaporn]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Facing reality. 

 

 

Now that's woke.  He went off on so many different tangents that there didn't seem to be any point or conclusion.  At the end he seems lost in thought and then abruptly ends the video with, "enough."  LOL

[Hawaiian]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Now that's woke.  He went off on so many different tangents that there didn't seem to be any point or conclusion.  At the end he seems lost in thought and then abruptly ends the video with, "enough."  LOL

Enough of facing reality.  We all need to believe the lies told by the forces of maga, aka the maga cult.  After all, America will soon be taking orders from a fascist dictator. 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Then why continue to participate?

To correct some of the bull<deleted> that's posted.

[Lacessit]

25 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Why?  Toilet not working?

Why? The mutual admiration society is nauseating.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Information coming out now is that the water supply is adequate, most Los Angeles reservoirs are full. Being at a lower level, the pumps getting the water up to the Palisades wildfire area were unable to cope with demand.

 

Isn't it common sense to ensure you have enough pumps to be able to pump the required amount of water from lower levels to higher levels?  That this failure should come as a surprise to anyone is an unacceptable excuse.  The U.S. is world class in engineering and any competent engineer could have calculated the results of too few pumps.

 

As to the reservoirs, are there enough of them and ere they located where they needed to be?  Joe Siracusa points out that seven planned reservoirs were cancelled.  Were some of those planned to be built on higher ground?

 

Lots of questions to be asked and answered.  And yes, the incompetents need to go.  DEI or otherwise.

 

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

How about addressing Joe Siracusa's charge:

 

"Keep in mind that there are seven major water facilities that were supposed to be built but they couldn't meet the ecosystem's criteria as a result of Newsom's pushing on this angle here."

 

[Tippaporn]

48 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

51 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

It takes a special kind of hate in a person like the op who can politicize a natural disaster like this. Wildfires are often the result of multiple factors, including climate change, weather patterns, human behavior, and even past fire suppression policies. Trying to assign blame to any one factor or person ignores the complexity of the issue.

Exactly.

 

When things go south in a big way then questions need to be asked and answers gotten.  And the questions will be directed at those in charge.  If those in charge know that the questions and answers will expose them as incompetent then of course they'll try to protect themselves from appropriate blame.  And consequences.  One of those ways is to cry rivers of tears that asking hard questions equates to politicising.  It's a fallacy of logic.  But some, who don't understand logic, fall for it.  I guess you did, Lacessit.

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

To correct some of the bull<deleted> that's posted.

 

I'm doing my best.

[Tippaporn]

54 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

56 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Another excellent video, riclag.  

Someone pass me a bucket, please.

 

Better yet, why not point out what "mis/disinformation" is being perpetrated in the video.

 

Intellectually-honest and intellectually-dishonest debate tactics

 

Two intellectually-honest tactics

There are only two intellectually-honest debate tactics:
1. pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts
2. pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic

That’s it. Simple! The dishonest list is much longer.

 

https://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-reed-s-news-blog/60887299-intellectually-honest-and-intellectually-dishonest-debate-tactics

 

Your response, Lacessit, is amongst the much longer dishonest list.  Scroll through the list and you'll find it.

 

Anyway, it's a great reference which helps to sort out the dishonest posters from the honest ones.

[novacova]

On 1/12/2025 at 6:11 AM, Jingthing said:

Maga doesn't want to talk about climate change. So we get this kind of idiocy.

 

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that statement is? How do you leap and correlate every natural and arsonist event to the idiocy of implied human caused climate change?

[Will B Good]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

LOL.  Why didn't you link to the source, Willy?  Was it because you didn't want anyone to know that it came from one of the main players responsible for this massive tragedy?  Of course Newsom is going to make himself shine.

 

Hat tip to nauseus.

 

 

Even if Newsom's supposed accomplishments are true the bottom line is that the estimates from a few days ago were $150 billion in destruction.  And counting.  So, for all of these so called accomplishments the end result is massive failure of a historic nature.

 

But what you don't address are the specifics of how the failed efforts to combat the fires, not to mention the policies that allowed for the tinderbox conditions to be optimized - yes, optimized - were due to California "leadership" policies.

 

For instance, you could start by answering the question of where the hell the fire trucks were?

 

Rick Caruso, who ran against LA Mayor Karen Bass, saved his shopping mall with privately contracted fire fighters.  The rest of the area burnt to the ground.  Pacific Palisades, btw, voted 70% for Karen Bass.  People always get the government they deserve, don't they?

 

 

Or, you could address the policies that led to the almost year long closure of the Santa Ynez Reservoir due to a several feet long tear in the cover.  Especially during the period of the Santa Anas when the risks of fires are at their peak and all water systems must be operable during the fire season.

 

Or why it was closed last February, bids for repairing the cover didn't begin until April, and it took until November before a contract was awarded.

 

Are those dumb azz ideas that contributed to the disaster?  Should those folks be held accountable for their mismanagement?  Or is there no accountability for failure in the liberal progressive Democratic world?  Hell, failure more often gets you promoted.

 

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

 

Emptying of the reservoir began in February after a tear in the floating cover measuring several feet allowed debris, bird droppings and other objects to enter the water supply. DWP drained the site to avoid contamination and comply with water regulations.

DWP sought bids for the repair in April, at a cost of up to $89,000. In November, the utility signed off on a contract with a Lakeside firm for about $130,000, records show.

The status of the repairs is unclear. The DWP’s employee union leader condemned the months-long wait to restore the reservoir.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

 

The above are just a start, Willy.

So back to the original question....is everything Newsom stated an out and out lie? If so, how can he get away with that?

 

It's not like lying in US politics is acceptable......555

[Will B Good]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Simple.  Because they have no values.  Thus no conscience.

 

I lay the ultimate blame on the ignorant people who voted for them.  The old adage holds true; people always get the government they deserve.  @Will B Good, for instance, is still defending Newsom despite this massive failure for which he played a major role.  He'll keep voting for criminal ineptitude.  He want moar of the same.

 

Where did I defend him?

 

I was asking is he lying through his teeth and how can he get away with that?

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

So back to the original question....is everything Newsom stated an out and out lie? If so, how can he get away with that?

 

It's not like lying in US politics is acceptable......555

 

Keep avoiding addressing all the other policy failures mentioned.  Keep the convo where you feel comfortable.

 

I don't claim to know what's a lie and what's not on Newsom's list.  But the devil is always in the details.  How were all those funds spent and on what specifically, would be questions that should be asked to see whether or not Newsom's bragging is merely a pretty facade to fool people.  But that's your problem.  You simply take what's listed on there at face value and never bother looking into any of it any further.  So you end up assuming that all is well and good.  Now to me that's a dumb azz approach.  And it's exactly what politicians expect the plebes to do . . . look no further.  It's akin to sticking one's head in the sand.  Of course if you're a partisan over everything else then you wouldn't really want to know if there are any grimy, deceptive or even criminal details.  Party comes first.

 

Politicians get away with dirty dealing until they don't .  They do until someone starts scrutinizing the finer details.  Examples abound.  And you're no stranger to them.

 

Now that I've played fair and answered you then start addressing the other policy failures mentioned.  I'll wait patiently.

[Tippaporn]

22 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Where did I defend him?

 

Here:

 

On 1/13/2025 at 9:41 AM, Will B Good said:

 

Can someone who knows what they are talking about comment on this?......

 

Is it a total pack of lies, the God honest truth or a serious distortion of the facts.

 

If it is the truth where does that leave you regarding the likes of Musk and his tweets?

 

FACT: The number of CalFIRE personnel has nearly doubled since 2019 (from 5,829 to 10,741)

FACT: CalFIRE’s budget has nearly doubled since 2019 ($2 Billion to $3.8 Billion)

LIE – These Wildfires are Caused by California’s Mismanagement of Forest Lands 

FACT: The budget for managing the forest (AKA “raking the forest”) is now TEN TIMES larger than it was when Governor Newsom took office. It was a $200 million annual budget in 2018. The state has now invested $2 billion, in addition to the $200 million annually.

FACT: California dramatically ramped up state work to increase wildland and forest resilience, as well as adding unprecedented resources to support wildfire response. California officials treated more than 700,000 acres of land for wildfire resilience in 2023, and prescribed fires more than doubled between 2021 and 2023.

 

 

 

 

http://www.californiafirefacts.com

 

And since Newsom is fully on board with DEI, and it certainly played a role in this disaster, here:

 

On 1/12/2025 at 12:24 PM, Will B Good said:

 

So what evidence do you have that DEI has changed the effectiveness of the Fire Departments in California?.......clue....do not answer "look at the fires in LA".

 

[Hawaiian]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

To correct some of the bull<deleted> that's posted.

Everyone is entitled their opinions including what others may opine about your posts.

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Everyone is entitled their opinions including what others may opine about your posts.

Entitlement to an opinion does not necessarily mean said opinion has any foundation of fact.

[Rimmer]

A flame has been removed @Hawaiian

[Hawaiian]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Entitlement to an opinion does not necessarily mean said opinion has any foundation of fact.

In other words everything you post is based on infallible facts and no one is allowed to challenge them.

[Hawaiian]

5 minutes ago, Rimmer said:

A flame has been removed @Hawaiian

I apologize. 

[Lacessit]

14 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

In other words everything you post is based on infallible facts and no one is allowed to challenge them.

I try to distinguish between fact and opinion, mine as well as others. That's why I use the acronym IMO quite frequently.

 

IMO some posters are fact-free.

[Tippaporn]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Entitlement to an opinion does not necessarily mean said opinion has any foundation of fact.

 

7 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

In other words everything you post is based on infallible facts and no one is allowed to challenge them.

 

Well, Hawaiian hits the nail on the head, there.  Liberal progressives have this nasty defining characteristic of thinking that their beliefs aren't beliefs but the word of God.  An entity they don't believe in, btw, but they unashamedly borrow from religion in that sense nonetheless.  A liberal progressive is always right.  No matter what.  Which is why they can never, ever concede a point.  Or admit they were wrong.

 

And Hawaiian's observation is quite astute.  You are not allowed to challenge a liberal progressive.  For if you do they will unleash holy hell on you and try to destroy you in any way they can.  They're very vicious people in that regard.  They will falsely accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist simply for asking questions and disagreeing.  They will accuse you of spreading dis/misinformation simply because it is counter to their beliefs.

 

I once tried to take a discussion with you to a PM and we didn't get very far.  You couldn't restrain yourself from being demeaning and insulting even after I broached the subject and suggested we discourse civilly.  You haven't changed, Lacessit.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I try to distinguish between fact and opinion, mine as well as others. That's why I use the acronym IMO quite frequently.

 

IMO some posters are fact-free.

 

The problem is when you assert your beliefs as fact.  Climate change, for instance, is not settled science.  You will never agree with that despite the fact that you know science is supposed to never stop questioning.  You've stopped.  That's antithetical to one of the basic tenets of the science you worship so much.

[Hawaiian]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

The problem is when you assert your beliefs as fact.  Climate change, for instance, is not settled science.  You will never agree with that despite the fact that you know science is supposed to never stop questioning.  You've stopped.  That's antithetical to one of the basic tenets of the science you worship so much.

Amen.

[riclag]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

LOL.  Why didn't you link to the source, Willy?  Was it because you didn't want anyone to know that it came from one of the main players responsible for this massive tragedy?  Of course Newsom is going to make himself shine.

 

Hat tip to nauseus.

 

 

Even if Newsom's supposed accomplishments are true the bottom line is that the estimates from a few days ago were $150 billion in destruction.  And counting.  So, for all of these so called accomplishments the end result is massive failure of a historic nature.

 

But what you don't address are the specifics of how the failed efforts to combat the fires, not to mention the policies that allowed for the tinderbox conditions to be optimized - yes, optimized - were due to California "leadership" policies.

 

For instance, you could start by answering the question of where the hell the fire trucks were?

 

Rick Caruso, who ran against LA Mayor Karen Bass, saved his shopping mall with privately contracted fire fighters.  The rest of the area burnt to the ground.  Pacific Palisades, btw, voted 70% for Karen Bass.  People always get the government they deserve, don't they?

 

 

Or, you could address the policies that led to the almost year long closure of the Santa Ynez Reservoir due to a several feet long tear in the cover.  Especially during the period of the Santa Anas when the risks of fires are at their peak and all water systems must be operable during the fire season.

 

Or why it was closed last February, bids for repairing the cover didn't begin until April, and it took until November before a contract was awarded.

 

Are those dumb azz ideas that contributed to the disaster?  Should those folks be held accountable for their mismanagement?  Or is there no accountability for failure in the liberal progressive Democratic world?  Hell, failure more often gets you promoted.

 

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

 

Emptying of the reservoir began in February after a tear in the floating cover measuring several feet allowed debris, bird droppings and other objects to enter the water supply. DWP drained the site to avoid contamination and comply with water regulations.

DWP sought bids for the repair in April, at a cost of up to $89,000. In November, the utility signed off on a contract with a Lakeside firm for about $130,000, records show.

The status of the repairs is unclear. The DWP’s employee union leader condemned the months-long wait to restore the reservoir.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

 

The above are just a start, Willy.

Mismanagement of a decades old problem! Fire & water control.

And leaders who are incapable of 

of telling the truth !

 

“The New York Times reports that Bass has taken five international, city-funded trips since taking office — despite committing to stopping international travel in a 2021 interview as she ran for office”.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/karen-bass-travel-ghana-los-angeles-wildfires-b2678874.html

[Keep Right]

On 1/12/2025 at 5:28 AM, Tippaporn said:

 

Show the proof that this was caused by climate change.  If you can't, and you can't, then you're detached from reality.

So very true, most left wing liberals are detached from reality.

[WorriedNoodle]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

It was the policies of a political party which allowed the fires to destroy the homes.  Only rational cavemen understand that.

So politics created hurricane force winds and droughts that flamed the fires across whole towns? You'll be saying next it was the sexual orientation of the fire chief there next that failed to control the flames.

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Now that's woke.  He went off on so many different tangents that there didn't seem to be any point or conclusion.  At the end he seems lost in thought and then abruptly ends the video with, "enough."  LOL

Your woke definition meaning beyond your conprehension.

[riclag]

Fight of his political life!

The face of   California’s worst  nightmare of historical proportions!

Billions of dollars, deaths ,as a result 

of incompetence & mismanagement .

 

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/13/us-news/recall-effort-against-gavin-newsom-underway-following-la-fires/

 

[chippendale]

[riclag]

20 minutes ago, chippendale said:

Yes the cultural Marxist in the toxic Dem party who aligned with anti divest, oppressed colonizers and want to destroy America’s traditions oppose

sending monies to Israel ,Along with

terrorism sympathizers.

[Lacessit]

He's a lucky idiot.

10 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Again, to all those who throw their hands up in surrender and wail that human agency is useless in the face of nature here's ordinary citizen John Carr, armed with nothing more than his common sense, the belief that he could have an impact, and guts, who saved his home and others whilst the rest of his childhood neighborhood turned to ashes.

 

Pacific Palisades resident John Carr, 65, defied evacuation orders to save his family home from the devastating wildfire that ravaged his neighborhood. Armed with a garden hose and determination, Carr worked tirelessly to protect the house his parents built in 1960, saying it was worth fighting for. Though exhausted and injured, Carr successfully saved his property and even prevented the destruction of neighboring homes. He criticized the Los Angeles Fire Department’s response, believing more proactive efforts could have saved additional houses. To his neighbors, Carr is a hero for his bravery and selflessness.

 

To quote Mr. Carr:

 

"When I was out here hosing the house down and getting ready, and when the houses started to burn, I-didn't-see-one-single-fire-truck-out-here-at-all.  Zero.

 

"If they had had some fire trucks just to put a squirt here, a squirt there, and kept an eye on things all these houses would be here right now.  I'm telling you right now I saw it with my own eyeballs.  All these houses.  These houses behind me are all gone.  They started with one little spark, one little small fire.  If they just squirted those out, had a few people out there, they'd all be here now."

 

Instead, the call was to evacuate and, don't worry folks, the fire department has got it in hand and will be here shortly.

 

 

Most every resident living in a fire zone should have fire fighting training.  At minimum, knowledge about wildfires and steps that can be taken when they happen.  That's a common sense idea, no?  Could of had a neighborhood full of John Carrs and saved their homes.  And, most importantly, halted the further spread of the fires due to the embers coming from their burning home wafting through the air to set the next neighborhood on fire.

 Fighting a fire with a garden hose is lunacy. One needs an independent tank water supply, flame proof clothing, a helmet, glasses, gloves, boots and a fire fighting pump capable of delivering over 400 litres/minute. Been there, done that when I built in a fire-prone zone.

 

What would he have done if the water supply failed to his garden hose?

 

He may be a hero to some. To me, he's a lucky idiot.