Democracy has failed the US,maybe it's time for a King

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Indeed.

 

He could have stayed in the Royal Family, had the pick of thousands of beautiful young peachy women and lived a life of luxury, adored by the British public.

 

Instead, he is stuck out in Montecito, angry, married to a divorced narcissist who looks like a 50 year old prune, and is mostly despised, pitied and ridiculed. 

 

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 

 

Now his BFF Biden the cap doffer is toast, hopefully Trump investigates his visa application, but he won't be welcome back in Britain. 

And toss Randy Andy into gaol, or at least send him to Liverpool to live in a council house.

 

Can you de-duke a Duke. Too bad they cant chop off some heads anymore.

[kimothai]

On 1/13/2025 at 12:02 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Not really.

Lot of idiots voted for an idiot.

And when a majority do that, then this is democracy.

I think they deserve what they voted for.

 

The problem is we, the rest of the world. We don't want that idiot to "rule the world". 

I think it's apparent who the real "idiots" are.  They certainly are not the people (a vast majority) who voted for Trump.  If you want to see the real "idiots" are, look no further than California.  A totally Democratic Party run State.  California liberal politics is exactly what sane people don't want.  

[OneMoreFarang]

33 minutes ago, kimothai said:

I think it's apparent who the real "idiots" are.  They certainly are not the people (a vast majority) who voted for Trump.  If you want to see the real "idiots" are, look no further than California.  A totally Democratic Party run State.  California liberal politics is exactly what sane people don't want.  

I agree with you that the DEMs made/make many mistakes. 

But I wouldn't call anybody who votes for Trump "sane".

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Millman said:

Try reading.."King of the World" by Randall Coleman. It was published 7 years ago and has many good points to make

And what does it say?

[MRMOUSE]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:26 AM, Yagoda said:

The USA is a republic. Its going along just fine. Best in the world. Sucks to be you if you arent an American.

 

 

Sucks more if you are

[thaipo7]

On 1/13/2025 at 10:47 AM, mdr224 said:

Hopefully its someone smart enough whose done well for themselves like Musk and not a loser like the posters on this forum.

Correct

[Skeptic7]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No dude, whats wrong with America is hate ridden symbols like your avatar.

 

You might be an atheist and Im sure an agnostic and both philosophies are wonderful, but there are millions of your fellow Americans who have those symbols around their necks, including the folks taking bullets for us on Wednesday and praying to Jesus on Sunday. So your clever and oh so trendy avatar is basically advertising how cool and sophisticated you are to reject the primitive superstitions of the lumpen, while pissing on your neighbors beliefs.

 

Yet you complain about the temperature in the crucible. Why dont you try lowering it, you think that your avatar is any different than standing in front of a house of worship and taking a dump?

No dude, as usual you're wrong. The beauty of what's right with The USA is it is SECULAR. There's freedom of religion...and freedom from it...if one so chooses...separation of religion and government. The Establishment Clause. Unique. No official religion or favoritism of any one belief system over any other. No religious test to hold public office. And nonbelievers, yes I'm a lifelong atheist, are not persecuted nor prosecuted for lack of belief. 

 

There are plenty of American atheists in foxholes, sleeping in on Sundays 💤, then taking bullets right alongside their fellow Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Hindu/etc Americans every other day of the week. What they all have in common and most importantly is they're all Americans. NOT their belief system. They're fighting together, as a unit, for their country...NOT god(s) nor a symbol around their neck nor an avatar...but for the United States of America. Full stop.

 

That what makes America great...individual liberties such as freedom of expression and belief or not, without persecution/prosecution, which many/most Islamic countries have. 

 

See the reality that you apparently can't handle is...I have every single bit as much right to display my non-belief avatar or to wear an atheist t-shirt as my fellow Americans, regardless of their flavor of religious belief, are free to wear or display theirs. There's ZERO difference. So says The USA and most other truly free countries around the globe. Surely even you should be able to grasp such a simple concept. 🤔 

[WDSmart]

The USA has never been a democracy. It is a republic and, in the best case, could be called a "democratic republic." However, even that does not fit exactly because not all citizens are allowed to vote. Each state has its own rules on that, but in all states, a citizen must pass certain criteria before they are allowed to vote. 

It's not time for a king—a monarchy. Unfortunately, our "king," is money. What we need to do is reduce our dependence on capitalism and increase our socialistic features. 

[SiSePuede419]

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

who will take over? murderers?

The same people who beat cops over the head with American flags.

MAGA Terrorists.

Don't worry. 

 

They only want to murder Those People©

 

Not you. Right? 👍 

[retayl]

Churchill said” democracy is the worst form of government apart from all those other forms that have been tried from time to time”.

[JulesMad]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:26 AM, Yagoda said:

The USA is a republic. Its going along just fine. Best in the world. Sucks to be you if you arent an American.

 

 

I would have killed myself a long time ago, if I were an american... IMHO, worst country in the world for so many reasons 😎

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

I would have killed myself a long time ago, if I were an american... IMHO, worst country in the world for so many reasons 😎

We could give you honorary citizenship.

[Yagoda]

5 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

No dude, as usual you're wrong. The beauty of what's right with The USA is it is SECULAR. There's freedom of religion...and freedom from it...if one so chooses...separation of religion and government. The Establishment Clause. Unique. No official religion or favoritism of any one belief system over any other. No religious test to hold public office. And nonbelievers, yes I'm a lifelong atheist, are not persecuted nor prosecuted for lack of belief. 

 

There are plenty of American atheists in foxholes, sleeping in on Sundays 💤, then taking bullets right alongside their fellow Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Hindu/etc Americans every other day of the week. What they all have in common and most importantly is they're all Americans. NOT their belief system. They're fighting together, as a unit, for their country...NOT god(s) nor a symbol around their neck nor an avatar...but for the United States of America. Full stop.

 

That what makes America great...individual liberties such as freedom of expression and belief or not, without persecution/prosecution, which many/most Islamic countries have. 

 

See the reality that you apparently can't handle is...I have every single bit as much right to display my non-belief avatar or to wear an atheist t-shirt as my fellow Americans, regardless of their flavor of religious belief, are free to wear or display theirs. There's ZERO difference. So says The USA and most other truly free countries around the globe. Surely even you should be able to grasp such a simple concept. 🤔 

Translation: Im a troll.

[ericbj]

A long monologue that tells us the USA is NOT a democracy.

 

Therefore the question needs to be re-phrased.

[Cryingdick]

This thread is basically a very long version of deep thoughts by Jack  Handey. Mixed with the political sensibilities of Beavis and Butthead.

[radiochaser]

On 1/13/2025 at 12:24 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You are 100-percent correct, of course.

 

Nothing lasts forever, of course.

 

So the question is:  Is the mood of the country turning towards Revolution?  Not yet.

 

What we need is another Great Depression, and then a Re-Start, maybe.

 

What we see now in the USA cannot last forever, nor should it.

 

If you recall, many of the Sociology textbooks during the late 60s and early 70s which were being read by undergrads at that time dealt heavily with social inequality, and wealth disparity...probably much more so than the reading material used today.

 

And, if you recall those times, there were plenty of student protests, many protesting the Vietnam War, which scared the pants off the powers that be.

 

However, it has been said that after those in power witnessed the solidarity and push-back from students at the time, they made it impossible for this type of rebellion to happen again. They did this through piling on student debt, as one example. Students were then forced to work in order to scrape by, and were compelled to work multiple jobs post-graduation, just to pay back these never-ending college debts.

 

Which meant there was much less time for thinking, and even less time for protesting.  The populace, in general, due to policies such as this became far more docile, and much more fractured.

 

Will there be a future time when we once again see protest such as that which happened in the 60s and 70s?

 

Nothing can last forever.

The Billionaires know this.

 

And, by the way, who will be the world's first Trillionaire?

 

I hope it will be Elon.

 

Off the general topic and responding to the Vietnam protest point. 

 

Many years ago, I read a news article about the KGB and the Vietnam anti-war protests.   It came out after declassification of KGB files and also claimed by an (ex?) KGB agent that the KGB was secretly involved in the Vietnam anti-war protests, helping to organize them in the U.S. of A.   

 

The KGB agent claimed their involvement in the U.S. of A. anti-Vietnam war efforts was one of their most successful propaganda coups against the U.S. of A.!

 

And completely off topic..  In late 1971 or early 1972, a U.S. of A. Navy vessel was firing their 16 inch guns at the ( I think) Haiphong harbor and unintentionally shelled a Soviet Navy vessel.   Intercepted communications had information of about 50 Soviet Navy members killed in the shelling.   Apparently the Soviet Union didn't care as nothing ever came of it.  

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/14/2025 at 8:51 PM, NanLaew said:

 

 

 

Talking of the Constitution, I heard that the word 'democracy' doesn't get mentioned in that vaunted document at all. Is that correct? I don't have a copy in my wallet.

 

 

 

Had you looked it up you would find that the new republic didn't have "democracy" in 1776

 

Not like it's hard to find.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy

United States Constitution ratified in 1788, created bicameral legislature with members of the House of Representatives elected "by the People of the several states," and members of the Senate elected by the state legislatures. The Constitution did not originally define who was eligible to vote, leaving that to the constituent states, which mostly enfranchised only adult white males who owned land.[114]

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, JulesMad said:

I would have killed myself a long time ago, if I were an american... IMHO, worst country in the world for so many reasons 😎

Had I been born American I'd likely have been conscripted and died in Vietnam.

 

Never been there and never any real desire to. Thailand is more fun and a whole lot safer.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, stevenl said:

And what does it say?

You expect him to post the book on here?

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I agree with you that the DEMs made/make many mistakes. 

But I wouldn't call anybody who votes for Trump "sane".

You used to write great posts, but recently you seem consumed by Trump hatred.

 

Accusing millions of people of insanity because of whom they voted for is not what a rational person does.

 

[charmonman]

On 1/12/2025 at 7:59 PM, impulse said:

 

We sure don't matter to the Dem elite, who decide to keep RFK Jr off the primary ballot, tried to keep Trump off all ballots, then decided to swap out the candidate with 14 million primary votes in favor of a candidate with zero primary votes.

 

Democracy isn't the problem.  Democrats are.

 

Yeah ok. The party whose leader loses an selection, concedes to the winner and conducts an orderly transition is the problem, as opposed to the party whose leader never concedes, does everything in his power to deny the winner, including inciting an insurrection that very well could have ended with his own VP being hanged by a mob.

 

 I see,

[NanLaew]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You used to write great posts, but recently you seem consumed by Trump hatred.

 

Accusing millions of people of insanity because of whom they voted for is not what a rational person does.

 

 

By the same token, millions of people voting for Trump isn't exactly drenched in rationality.

 

Don't get me wrong. I am not anti-Trump and the bitch-slap he delivered to the Democrats last November was way, way overdue. It's just I am not so far up Trump's ass as many here appear to be.

[OneMoreFarang]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You used to write great posts, but recently you seem consumed by Trump hatred.

 

Accusing millions of people of insanity because of whom they voted for is not what a rational person does.

 

a) thank you

b) just now look at "his team". Just look at the woman who he wants to become attorney general. She does not admit that Trump lost the 2020 election. And he wants a person like that as attorney general. Do you see that that is not exactly sane?

And she is obviously just a tiny example of what he does and did.

 

I accept people with different political opinions. But I don't accept people who support an idiot who insist that all his appointees are loyal to him and not the constitution.

Every American should be concerned about the fact that he behaves more like a king than a leader of a democratic country.

But for whatever reason millions and millions of Americans somehow "think" that is ok. Maybe reset your brain and think again if that is normal.

[NanLaew]

1 minute ago, charmonman said:

Yeah ok. The party whose leader loses an selection, concedes to the winner and conducts an orderly transition is the problem, as opposed to the party whose leader never concedes, does everything in his power to deny the winner, including inciting an insurrection that very well could have ended with his own VP being hanged by a mob.

 

 I see,

 

There's a great song by Don Henley and Glenn Frey called Get Over It.

 

If you don't know the words then you should just try humming it.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

By the same token, millions of people voting for Trump isn't exactly drenched in rationality.

 

Don't get me wrong. I am not anti-Trump and the bitch-slap he delivered to the Democrats last November was way, way overdue. It's just I am not so far up Trump's ass as many here appear to be.

I prefer to look at it from the point of view that many of us ( a majority? ) are bonkers to some extent. Rational people don't believe in multiple genders or that Harris was a suitable candidate for POTUS, IMO.

 

I've never supported Trump the man, as he is just a normal guy that happened to be born lucky ( I wouldn't want Joe the plumber to be leader of the free world, no matter how nice a guy he is ), but I support his domestic policies as opposed to the Mickey Duck policies of the Dems. The main reason I support Trump though is that he didn't start any wars. The young men around the world can be grateful for that.

 

If one can't separate Trump's policies from Trump the man, one is in for a brutal 4 years.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

a) thank you

b) just now look at "his team". Just look at the woman who he wants to become attorney general. She does not admit that Trump lost the 2020 election. And he wants a person like that as attorney general. Do you see that that is not exactly sane?

And she is obviously just a tiny example of what he does and did.

 

I accept people with different political opinions. But I don't accept people who support an idiot who insist that all his appointees are loyal to him and not the constitution.

Every American should be concerned about the fact that he behaves more like a king than a leader of a democratic country.

But for whatever reason millions and millions of Americans somehow "think" that is ok. Maybe reset your brain and think again if that is normal.

I don't care who is on his team. Look who was on Biden's team and look at the destruction of American society and on the world by them. IMO it doesn't make any difference who is doing what, as they all make a mess of it. Biden's entire term was one disaster after another, IMO.

What I do care about is that there are no wars for boys like I was to die in, and Trump is more likely to deliver that than Harris ever was. PERIOD.

 

The rest of the human world has had more than enough of American wars, destruction and intrigue and wants a break.

[Skeptic7]

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Im a troll.

Your typical non-response...diversion and strawman tactic. You pack absolutely nothing but silly nonsense like this whenever you've been "owned". And this is how you've throw in the towel in every single one of our conversations. 

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Your typical non-response...diversion and strawman tactic. You pack absolutely nothing but silly nonsense like this whenever you've been "owned". And this is how you've throw in the towel in every single one of our conversations. 

My characterization of your post and your avatar stand. You can dress up your attitude anyway you want, but you are the type to applaud the "Piss Christ" or wear a Jesus sucks T-shirt at Easter.

 

I learned in Kindergarten that decent normal folks dont walk around being provocative to ones neighbors. But, thats because we learned such biblical concepts like love thy neighbor.

 

Finally, I find that folks who are such blatant haters of religion generally have no moral compass. Stalin, Lenin and Hitler are examples.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If one can't separate Trump's policies from Trump the man, one is in for a brutal 4 years.

 

Why should anybody try to separate the body from the brain?

He is what he is. His politics reflect his behavior reflect his character.

GOP members could have chosen similar politics with a sane leader. They didn't. 

[GammaGlobulin]

9 hours ago, radiochaser said:

Many years ago, I read a news article about the KGB and the Vietnam anti-war protests.   It came out after declassification of KGB files and also claimed by an (ex?) KGB agent that the KGB was secretly involved in the Vietnam anti-war protests, helping to organize them in the U.S. of A.   

 

So then, the KGB cannot be all bad.

 

The student protesters needed all the help they could get, at the time.

 

Think of it like this:  During the revolution in the colonies, France supported the rebels in America.