Over 15,000 Doctors Urge Senate to Block RFK Jr.’s Nomination as Health Secretary

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It is an enemy of my enemy strategy in that the people that oppose him clearly want something different for American healthcare than I do.   

 

Why do you think he is unqualified? I have not heard (herd?) a decent argument from anyone honestly stating a position of his they are opposed to.

 

 

 

As usual, the devil is in the detail.

 

RFK has rightly highlighted America's problem with ultra-processed foods and food additives and the established health issues they create but then goes and spoils it with vacines cause autism (a widely debunked conspracy theory), Covid-19 targets ‘caucasians And Black People’, that wireless technology can cause cancer, that Aids Is not caused by HIV and that fluoride causes diseases when the dosage in the States doesn't do that at all.

 

It's these wild theories and dismissal of tried and established science that has everyone concerned about his appointment to include these 15,000 doctors. And they have a point.

[Patong2021]

On 1/14/2025 at 4:05 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

''You obviously have never been in a rural or inner city hospital where physicians are over worked. '' I have. Not seen too much overworking though.

 

''I know that once you succumb to your lifestyle disease, you will be in the doctor's office crying and begging for treatment.'' Lifestyle disease? Wonder what that might be!  I might go to hospital if I'm in an accident, and break a leg. Otherwise I'll look after myself.

 

''That's what the unvaccinated patients with Covid did.'' Really? Too much CNN and BBC for you Sir.

 

''They ridiculed the Covid vaccines and then as they lay dying in the ICU were begging for the vaccine, even though it couldn't help at that stage.'' Did they? Different to my research. Begging for what treatment? An anti-vaxxer begging for a vax; I don't think so. Most anti-vaxxers I know, don't think covid was anywhere near as dangerous as it was made out to be. Dr Vernon Coleman called it the rebranded flu.

 

 

Your statement is a reflection of your  state of denial and nothing else.

 

1. Rural and small town USA, like Australia, Canada and many other western nations has a shortage of  medical care. This is well document and acknowledged by all levels of government

Many of the roughly 66 million people who 2020 census data show live in rural America share a disturbing reality: They lack access to quality health care. Research conducted before the COVID-19 pandemic shows the life expectancy of rural Americans overall is about 2.5 years less on average than for people in urban settings – and rural residents are more likely to die early from heart disease and stroke. At the root, it's a numbers game. There are fewer doctors and hospitals in rural areas (and those numbers are spiraling down), which means less specialized care.https://www.heart.org/en/news/2024/04/30/whats-health-care-like-in-rural-america-were-taking-a-close-up-look

 

The health professionals who are available, must manage a greater number of patients, and this has resulted in their being over worked and more likely to succumb to burn out.

 

2. The behavior of patients who were dying from Covid has been well documented.You refuse to accept  it. The health care workers who documented it show that you are wrong. Here are two examples.

 

It’s too late’: US doctor says dying patients begging for Covid vaccine

At least 99% of those in US who died of Covid in the last six months had not been vaccinated, says CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/22/us-coronavirus-covid-unvaccinated-hospital-rates-vaccines. 

 

It's too late': Alabama doctor shares final moments of Covid patients,

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,"   "A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same,” she posted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-s-too-late-alabama-doctor-shares-final-moments-covid-n1274659

 

The wholesale dismissal of primary care physicians who deal with preventable illnesses speaks to the ignorance of the  Kennedy supporters. No matter how times they are proven wrong, they refuse to accept the truth and will instead attack anyone who points out their errors. This is best illustrated by the exposure of the financial fraud surrounding vaccines and the claims of their link to autism.

[herfiehandbag]

By the time he has finished urban USA is going to look like the street scenes from "Bladerunner"!

[Yellowtail]

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Your statement is a reflection of your  state of denial and nothing else.

 

1. Rural and small town USA, like Australia, Canada and many other western nations has a shortage of  medical care. This is well document and acknowledged by all levels of government

Many of the roughly 66 million people who 2020 census data show live in rural America share a disturbing reality: They lack access to quality health care. Research conducted before the COVID-19 pandemic shows the life expectancy of rural Americans overall is about 2.5 years less on average than for people in urban settings – and rural residents are more likely to die early from heart disease and stroke. At the root, it's a numbers game. There are fewer doctors and hospitals in rural areas (and those numbers are spiraling down), which means less specialized care.https://www.heart.org/en/news/2024/04/30/whats-health-care-like-in-rural-america-were-taking-a-close-up-look

 

The health professionals who are available, must manage a greater number of patients, and this has resulted in their being over worked and more likely to succumb to burn out.

 

2. The behavior of patients who were dying from Covid has been well documented.You refuse to accept  it. The health care workers who documented it show that you are wrong. Here are two examples.

 

It’s too late’: US doctor says dying patients begging for Covid vaccine

At least 99% of those in US who died of Covid in the last six months had not been vaccinated, says CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/22/us-coronavirus-covid-unvaccinated-hospital-rates-vaccines. 

 

It's too late': Alabama doctor shares final moments of Covid patients,

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,"   "A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same,” she posted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-s-too-late-alabama-doctor-shares-final-moments-covid-n1274659

 

The wholesale dismissal of primary care physicians who deal with preventable illnesses speaks to the ignorance of the  Kennedy supporters. No matter how times they are proven wrong, they refuse to accept the truth and will instead attack anyone who points out their errors. This is best illustrated by the exposure of the financial fraud surrounding vaccines and the claims of their link to autism.

poor lefty 

[Patong2021]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

poor lefty 

That's the best you can offer; a pathetic attempt at labeling, when confronted with  reality.

Anyone who disagree with the dissemination of lies and disinformation is a "lefty".

 

Tell you what, go and have an ivermectin enemas because Mel Gibson tells you it not only cures cancer but prevents it, and then you can cover yourself with cow dung because a Hindu holy man says it is a cure all, and you will qualify to work in Kennedy's new improved  Health  department.

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

That's the best you can offer; a pathetic attempt at labeling, when confronted with  reality.

Anyone who disagree with the dissemination of lies and disinformation is a "lefty".

 

Tell you what, go and have an ivermectin enemas because Mel Gibson tells you it not only cures cancer but prevents it, and then you can cover yourself with cow dung because a Hindu holy man says it is a cure all, and you will qualify to work in Kennedy's new improved  Health  department.

What's the reality, that the poor doctors in the US are overworked? 

 

That the left can find some doctors to write a letter means nothing. That you bloviate about how Trump is going to destroy the county means even less. 

 

Why do you think he is unqualified? I have not heard a decent argument from anyone honestly stating a position of his they are opposed to.

 

Again, I'm not a fan of RFKJ, and I could be easily convinced to oppose him, but lying about him being an anti-vaxer or calling him a junky or a mental case aren't going to do it. Given the number of drug overdoses in the US, a drug addict might have some better ideas than giving out needles and blankets.  

 

I have listened to him interviewed for a few hours, and while he would not have been my first pick, right or wrong, I believe improving the health of the American people would be his first priority. 

 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Your statement is a reflection of your  state of denial and nothing else.

 

1. Rural and small town USA, like Australia, Canada and many other western nations has a shortage of  medical care. This is well document and acknowledged by all levels of government

Many of the roughly 66 million people who 2020 census data show live in rural America share a disturbing reality: They lack access to quality health care. Research conducted before the COVID-19 pandemic shows the life expectancy of rural Americans overall is about 2.5 years less on average than for people in urban settings – and rural residents are more likely to die early from heart disease and stroke. At the root, it's a numbers game. There are fewer doctors and hospitals in rural areas (and those numbers are spiraling down), which means less specialized care.https://www.heart.org/en/news/2024/04/30/whats-health-care-like-in-rural-america-were-taking-a-close-up-look

 

The health professionals who are available, must manage a greater number of patients, and this has resulted in their being over worked and more likely to succumb to burn out.

 

2. The behavior of patients who were dying from Covid has been well documented.You refuse to accept  it. The health care workers who documented it show that you are wrong. Here are two examples.

 

It’s too late’: US doctor says dying patients begging for Covid vaccine

At least 99% of those in US who died of Covid in the last six months had not been vaccinated, says CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/22/us-coronavirus-covid-unvaccinated-hospital-rates-vaccines. 

 

It's too late': Alabama doctor shares final moments of Covid patients,

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,"   "A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same,” she posted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-s-too-late-alabama-doctor-shares-final-moments-covid-n1274659

 

The wholesale dismissal of primary care physicians who deal with preventable illnesses speaks to the ignorance of the  Kennedy supporters. No matter how times they are proven wrong, they refuse to accept the truth and will instead attack anyone who points out their errors. This is best illustrated by the exposure of the financial fraud surrounding vaccines and the claims of their link to autism.

What utter nonsense!! Simply getting people fearful so they take the jab.

 

If the WHO was doing its job properly there wouldn't be a need for so many doctors. Prevention is far better than cure. And what cures do the white-coats previde? ''Hi Mr Smith; what is the problem?'' Mr Smith says that he don't feel well. ''Right then. Pop down to the pharmacy with this.'' Handing the guy a prescription after looking at the computer screen for a couple of minutes. This is not doctoring. Its pimping for Big Pharma. Can't poison the body back to good health. There is a reason why Mr Smith feels unwell. The white-coat should address the cause(s); not give stuff to suppress the symptions.

 

''At least 99% of those in US who died of Covid in the last six months had not been vaccinated, says CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky.''  Wow!! Getting on for 100% there doc. This is monumental bunkum on two counts.

 

1 - Firstly the maths. Go back to school Rochelle dear. Don't make sense. And, by the way, you don't know that they died of 'covid'.

 

2 - No one died from covid in your hospital. They might have died; but not from covid. You (Rochelle) must think all the people are dumb as you (I take it that you're a lady; but you never can tell) are.

 

Dr Vernon Coleman says that covid is the rebranded flu. And what actually is flu? It's the symptoms of the body doing a detox. Happens to most of us at one time or another. It's not a disease, sickness or illness. Can make yer feel lousy though.

 

Too much MSM for you Patong Sir.

[cdemundo]

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What utter nonsense!! Simply getting people fearful so they take the jab.

 

If the WHO was doing its job properly there wouldn't be a need for so many doctors. Prevention is far better than cure. And what cures do the white-coats previde? ''Hi Mr Smith; what is the problem?'' Mr Smith says that he don't feel well. ''Right then. Pop down to the pharmacy with this.'' Handing the guy a prescription after looking at the computer screen for a couple of minutes. This is not doctoring. Its pimping for Big Pharma. Can't poison the body back to good health. There is a reason why Mr Smith feels unwell. The white-coat should address the cause(s); not give stuff to suppress the symptions.

 

''At least 99% of those in US who died of Covid in the last six months had not been vaccinated, says CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky.''  Wow!! Getting on for 100% there doc. This is monumental bunkum on two counts.

 

1 - Firstly the maths. Go back to school Rochelle dear. Don't make sense. And, by the way, you don't know that they died of 'covid'.

 

2 - No one died from covid in your hospital. They might have died; but not from covid. You (Rochelle) must think all the people are dumb as you (I take it that you're a lady; but you never can tell) are.

 

Dr Vernon Coleman says that covid is the rebranded flu. And what actually is flu? It's the symptoms of the body doing a detox. Happens to most of us at one time or another. It's not a disease, sickness or illness. Can make yer feel lousy though.

 

Too much MSM for you Patong Sir.

 "Prevention is far better than cure. "

 

True enough, and when the doctors tell patients that they need to exercise more and eat healthier do the patients run right home and do that?

It isn't all the fault of doctors.

People aren't enthusiastic about the changes required and would rather get a prescription, easier.

[Stiddle Mump]

2 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

 "Prevention is far better than cure. "

 

True enough, and when the doctors tell patients that they need to exercise more and eat healthier do the patients run right home and do that?

It isn't all the fault of doctors.

People aren't enthusiastic about the changes required and would rather get a prescription, easier.

Indeed!

 

But take a look at the programmes of learning in medical schools. When I was there - some 45 years ago (although I don't reckon it's changed that much - I can't even recall specific lectures on prevention. Nothing much on eating nutritious food, or avoiding toxins. Of course, since then, there has been a massive surge in EMF contamination. So, that's another thing the body has to contend with.

 

The WHO, IMO, is the biggest blot on world health. Quickly followed by the three-letter agencies; FDA, NHS, NIH (Rochelle's group), CDC etc. They have to be swept away and replaced with a more natural way of looking at human health. Is Kennedy the guy? Will will see soon enough.

 

Nature gas the answers we seek.

 

[Patong2021]

28 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

 

Dr Vernon Coleman says that covid is the rebranded flu. And what actually is flu? It's the symptoms of the body doing a detox. Happens to most of us at one time or another. It's not a disease, sickness or illness. Can make yer feel lousy though.

 

 

Coleman is not a "dr." He lost his license due to his behavior. Uttering death threats and engaging in what can be politely called "outbursts" does not suggest stability. Nor is he qulifed as an expert on infectious disease or immunology or virus pathology. Covid is not a rebranded flu. The two viruses are different. The SARS Cov-19 illness is an INFLAMMATORY event. Influenza results in a different condition.

You go right ahead and keep on believing your "detox" invention. You can cure yourself with  a coffee enema or maybe an ivermectin cocktail.

It is quite obvious that you have had no  formal education, particularly in the sciences. No point in engaging with you because you are so profoundly ignorant. 

[Patong2021]

16 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Indeed!

 

But take a look at the programmes of learning in medical schools. When I was there - some 45 years ago (although I don't reckon it's changed that much - I can't even recall specific lectures on prevention. Nothing much on eating nutritious food, or avoiding toxins. Of course, since then, there has been a massive surge in EMF contamination. So, that's another thing the body has to contend with.

 

The WHO, IMO, is the biggest blot on world health. Quickly followed by the three-letter agencies; FDA, NHS, NIH (Rochelle's group), CDC etc. They have to be swept away and replaced with a more natural way of looking at human health. Is Kennedy the guy? Will will see soon enough.

 

Nature gas the answers we seek.

 

 

Absolute rubbish. The curriculum of  accredited medical schools is intended to provide the basics in its  4 year  program. One adds to those skills  during the 3-7 year residency and then, during the Fellowship training if one  goes onto for further specialization. There is a reason why there are additional programs for the subjects you reference. Nutrition  knowledge is  common sense and does not need the formal classroom setting. It can be pursued through the CME requirements and during the residency. 

 

There are trained health professionals called nutritionists and  dieticians who will work with a physician and who are better placed to offer the counseling and guidance you claim is missing. This is why  patients are referred to them.

 

You are so full of BS that it is infuriating. Everything can be toxic depending on its concentration. Vitamins are toxic if consumed in excessive quantities. You have no experience as a medical doctor and are not  licensed as one, so do not carry on as if you are a medical expert.  Because Naturopaths, chiropractors and others call themselves doctors, does not make them  health care professionals. 

 

You don't like the WHO, but have no idea who and what they are. It is the only organization that is able to get into high risk regions and to intervene. Whether it is ebola in the Congo, or Polio in Pakistan, it is the WHO that intervenes.  We may not like their politics, but if a deadly infectious disease is to be contained, they are the only option.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Coleman is not a "dr." He lost his license due to his behavior. Uttering death threats and engaging in what can be politely called "outbursts" does not suggest stability. Nor is he qulifed as an expert on infectious disease or immunology or virus pathology. Covid is not a rebranded flu. The two viruses are different. The SARS Cov-19 illness is an INFLAMMATORY event. Influenza results in a different condition.

You go right ahead and keep on believing your "detox" invention. You can cure yourself with  a coffee enema or maybe an ivermectin cocktail.

It is quite obvious that you have had no  formal education, particularly in the sciences. No point in engaging with you because you are so profoundly ignorant. 

Dr Vernon Coleman is a doctor and will always be known as one. His licence to practice being withdrawn by the GMC does not alter that.

 

There is no such thing as a covid virus, or a flu virus. It is simply stuff that has been made up; and supported, in the past by quackery and superstition, and in more recent times, by computer programmes.

 

I'm ''so prooundly ignorant.'' am I?  Could be true that. The more I learn, the more I realise that there is so much more i don't know.

 

Nature has the answers we seek. Most white-coats, and yourself Sir, could do a lot worse than regular walks in the forest. Observing nature; that we are very much a part of. 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

That's the best you can offer; a pathetic attempt at labeling, when confronted with  reality.

Anyone who disagree with the dissemination of lies and disinformation is a "lefty".

 

Tell you what, go and have an ivermectin enemas because Mel Gibson tells you it not only cures cancer but prevents it, and then you can cover yourself with cow dung because a Hindu holy man says it is a cure all, and you will qualify to work in Kennedy's new improved  Health  department.

Naw, most of the time they're labeled socialist marxists.

[Patong2021]

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Dr Vernon Coleman is a doctor and will always be known as one. His licence to practice being withdrawn by the GMC does not alter that.

 

There is no such thing as a covid virus, or a flu virus. It is simply stuff that has been made up; and supported, in the past by quackery and superstition, and in more recent times, by computer programmes.

 

I'm ''so prooundly ignorant.'' am I?  Could be true that. The more I learn, the more I realise that there is so much more i don't know.

 

Nature has the answers we seek. Most white-coats, and yourself Sir, could do a lot worse than regular walks in the forest. Observing nature; that we are very much a part of. 

 

The SARS Cov-19  has been identified and its genome mapped.

The influenza viruses have been identified and many of them have had their genomes mapped.

You deny that they exist.

 

This is why you are profoundly ignorant. You are denying established fact. Irrefutable fact.

No one can be this  wrong, unless it is intentional, or is the result of a mental illness.

I am not trained in managing  the mentally ill, nor do I have the patience to do so.  I do not wish to play your game.  Have fun.

 

[Patong2021]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Naw, most of the time they're labeled socialist marxists.

 

I stand corrected. The funny part is that my young nephew who is given to embracing "progressive" causes has labeled me a right wing obstacle to change.  😛.  

[Yellowtail]

So per our highly educated (gender studies?) resident health care "expert" RFKJ is unqualified because:

 

"Tell you what, go and have an ivermectin enemas because Mel Gibson tells you it not only cures cancer but prevents it, and then you can cover yourself with cow dung because a Hindu holy man says it is a cure all, and you will qualify to work in Kennedy's new improved  Health  department." 

 

I think you might have gotten a bit of spittle on your keyboard there brother... 

[Stiddle Mump]

38 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Absolute rubbish. The curriculum of  accredited medical schools is intended to provide the basics in its  4 year  program. One adds to those skills  during the 3-7 year residency and then, during the Fellowship training if one  goes onto for further specialization. There is a reason why there are additional programs for the subjects you reference. Nutrition  knowledge is  common sense and does not need the formal classroom setting. It can be pursued through the CME requirements and during the residency. 

 

There are trained health professionals called nutritionists and  dieticians who will work with a physician and who are better placed to offer the counseling and guidance you claim is missing. This is why  patients are referred to them.

 

You are so full of BS that it is infuriating. Everything can be toxic depending on its concentration. Vitamins are toxic if consumed in excessive quantities. You have no experience as a medical doctor and are not  licensed as one, so do not carry on as if you are a medical expert.  Because Naturopaths, chiropractors and others call themselves doctors, does not make them  health care professionals. 

 

You don't like the WHO, but have no idea who and what they are. It is the only organization that is able to get into high risk regions and to intervene. Whether it is ebola in the Congo, or Polio in Pakistan, it is the WHO that intervenes.  We may not like their politics, but if a deadly infectious disease is to be contained, they are the only option.

I don't agree with you Sir. The way to become a doctor is to remember all the Big Pharma drugs to give patients to suppress their symptoms.

 

The natural state of the body is good health. For the body to keep that way it has to do certain things.

 

a - Eat nutritious food,

b - drink clean water,

c - breathe fresh air,

d - avoid food contamination,

e - avoil environmental toxins,

f - avoid fearfulness,

g - appreciate nature,

h - limit EMFs AMSP.

 

You see Sir, nature has the answers we seek. We are a part of nature and should appreciate that fact more than ever.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I stand corrected. The funny part is that my young nephew who is given to embracing "progressive" causes has labeled me a right wing obstacle to change.  😛.  

You must be proud. 

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do you think he is unqualified? I have not heard a decent argument from anyone honestly stating a position of his they are opposed to.

 

 

 

 

 

You keep asking this - people keep giving you the reasons - then you just ignore what is being said and just keep asking the same, inane question.

 Are you caught in some sort of MAGA loop?

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You keep asking this - people keep giving you the reasons - then you just ignore what is being said and just keep asking the same, inane question.

 Are you caught in some sort of MAGA loop?

 

Actually, all they (leftists) do is regurgitate unsubstantiated claims. 

 

Yes, he was a heroin addict, no he is not an anti-vaxer. 

 

I don't think having been a heroin addict is disqualifying, nor do I one should be an anti-vaxer. 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't agree with you Sir. The way to become a doctor is to remember all the Big Pharma drugs to give patients to suppress their symptoms.

 

The natural state of the body is good health. For the body to keep that way is has to do certain things.

 

a - Eat nutritious food,

b - drink clean water,

c - breathe fresh air,

d - avoid food contamination,

e - avoil environmental toxins,

f - avoid fearfulness,

g - appreciate nature,

h - limit EMFs AMSP.

 

You see Sir, nature has the answers we seek. We are a part of nature and should appreciate that fact more than ever.

 

 

"The way to become a doctor is to remember all the Big Pharma drugs to give patients to suppress their symptoms.".
total and absolute nonsense.

 

"a - Eat nutritious food,

b - drink clean water,

c - breathe fresh air,

d - avoid food contamination,

e - avoil environmental toxins,

f - avoid fearfulness,

g - appreciate nature,

h - limit EMFs AMSP."
a till g totally correct. h will need translation.

[johnnybangkok]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Actually, all they (leftists) do is regurgitate unsubstantiated claims. 

 

Yes, he was a heroin addict, no he is not an anti-vaxer. 

 

I don't think having been a heroin addict is disqualifying, nor do I one should be an anti-vaxer. 

Whats unsubstantiated? There's actual video of him saying most of what I have mentioned above. Here's the one were he says vacine causes autism. This is coming out of his own mouth. How much more 'substantiated' can you get?

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

32 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The SARS Cov-19  has been identified and its genome mapped.

The influenza viruses have been identified and many of them have had their genomes mapped.

You deny that they exist.

 

This is why you are profoundly ignorant. You are denying established fact. Irrefutable fact.

No one can be this  wrong, unless it is intentional, or is the result of a mental illness.

I am not trained in managing  the mentally ill, nor do I have the patience to do so.  I do not wish to play your game.  Have fun.

 

I don't agree with the more common thoughts of the white-coats on viruses.

 

I've looked closely at the claims that a 'virus' (any virus) has been isolated. Not yet seen any evidence that they have been. And if they have been, it would be a scientific step to see if they cause illness. Obviously this is not possible. And is not ever likely to be.

 

They are indistinguishable from generl cell debris under an electron microscope.

 

I will add that they could be beneficial in keeping the body in good health. Have to look to nature to understand that though Patong Sir.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Whats unsubstantiated? There's actual video of him saying most of what I have mentioned above. Here's the one were he says vacine causes autism. This is coming out of his own mouth. How much more 'substantiated' can you get?

 

 

You didn't watch it. He says there's a link better the mercury in some vaccines that may be linked to autism. 

 

Do you not think the rise in autism, early puberty, obesity, low testosterone and low fertility are worth investigating. beyond just generating new drugs? 

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You didn't watch it. He says there's a link better the mercury in some vaccines that may be linked to autism. 

 

Do you not think the rise in autism, early puberty, obesity, low testosterone and low fertility are worth investigating. beyond just generating new drugs? 

The point is this has been debunked NUMEROUS times from people far more qualified than RFK. 

'The vaccine-autism myth is one chilling example of fraudulent science. February 28, 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of an infamous article published in the prestigious medical journal, The Lancet, in which Andrew Wakefield, a former British doctor, falsely linked the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine to autism. The paper eventually was retracted by the co-authors and the journal. Wakefield was de-licensed by medical authorities for his deceit and “callous disregard” for children in his care. It took nearly two decades for the UK immunization rates to recover. By the end, UK families had experienced more than 12,000 cases of measles, hundreds of hospitalizations — many with serious complications — and at least three deaths.'  https://time.com/5175704/andrew-wakefield-vaccine-autism/

 

'Extensive scientific research shows no credible evidence linking thiomersal to such conditions. Thiomersal (or thimerosal) is a mercury compound which is used as a preservative in some vaccines. Anti-vaccination activists promoting the incorrect claim that vaccination causes autism have asserted that the mercury in thiomersal is the cause'   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_and_vaccines

 

Of course 'the rise in autism, early puberty, obesity, low testosterone and low fertility are worth investigating' and RFK's admirable stance on ultra-processed foods and food additives may give us some answers but grabbing at such easily debunked causes undermines the issues in question and detracts from a SCIENTIFIC approach to root causes. This is were RFK is getting it so very wrong, by muddying the waters and pointing fingers in completely the wrong direction.

 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The point is this has been debunked NUMEROUS times from people far more qualified than RFK. 

'The vaccine-autism myth is one chilling example of fraudulent science. February 28, 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of an infamous article published in the prestigious medical journal, The Lancet, in which Andrew Wakefield, a former British doctor, falsely linked the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine to autism. The paper eventually was retracted by the co-authors and the journal. Wakefield was de-licensed by medical authorities for his deceit and “callous disregard” for children in his care. It took nearly two decades for the UK immunization rates to recover. By the end, UK families had experienced more than 12,000 cases of measles, hundreds of hospitalizations — many with serious complications — and at least three deaths.'  https://time.com/5175704/andrew-wakefield-vaccine-autism/

 

'Extensive scientific research shows no credible evidence linking thiomersal to such conditions. Thiomersal (or thimerosal) is a mercury compound which is used as a preservative in some vaccines. Anti-vaccination activists promoting the incorrect claim that vaccination causes autism have asserted that the mercury in thiomersal is the cause'   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_and_vaccines

 

Of course 'the rise in autism, early puberty, obesity, low testosterone and low fertility are worth investigating' and RFK's admirable stance on ultra-processed foods and food additives may give us some answers but grabbing at such easily debunked causes undermines the issues in question and detracts from a SCIENTIFIC approach to root causes. This is were RFK is getting it so very wrong, by muddying the waters and pointing fingers in completely the wrong direction.

 

He did not say vaccines are causing autism, he says that the mercury used in some vaccines are or at least may be linked to autism, and he is not calling for banning vaccinations. 

 

He's an attorney, not a doctor. 

 

[johnnybangkok]

49 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

He did not say vaccines are causing autism, he says that the mercury used in some vaccines are or at least may be linked to autism, and he is not calling for banning vaccinations. 

 

He's an attorney, not a doctor. 

 

What part of this are you not understanding? Mercury in vaccines is NOT linked to autism. There's no 'may' there's no ambiguity. It's hard science fact and ANY hint that it might (especially coming from a prospective Health Secretary) is why you have seen such a rise in vaccine sceptics and why he's not qualified for the job. 

 

And you're right he isn't a doctor. In fact he has no medical training whatsover so obviously a great pick for Health Secretary (sarcasm in case that went over you head as well).

 

P.S. Not sure why my original post on this was deleted. Perhaps the moderators can explain?

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

What part of this are you not understanding? Mercury in vaccines is NOT linked to autism. There's no 'may' there's no ambiguity. It's hard science fact and ANY hint that it might (especially coming from a prospective Health Secretary) is why you have seen such a rise in vaccine sceptics and why he's not qualified for the job. 

 

And you're right he isn't a doctor. In fact he has no medical training whatsover so obviously a great pick for Health Secretary (sarcasm in case that went over you head as well).

 

P.S. Not sure why my original post on this was deleted. Perhaps the moderators can explain?

What is your claim that Mercury in vaccines is NOT linked to autism based on? 

 

Given the years of litigation involving medical issues, I would not say he has no training. 

 

Leo Fender did not play guitar. 

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

What is your claim that Mercury in vaccines is NOT linked to autism based on? 

 

 

Here, educate yourself  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2376879/

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Here, educate yourself  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2376879/

Wow, a Google search. That's what I thought, thanks.