The Troubling Decline of DEI: A Step Backward for America

[Lacessit]

26 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

I think it was more about undermining the native population and rendering them helpless politically.

 

I know Liberals well and they really believe through magically education and funding "programs" you can overcome the nature of any person. This experiment has been run for decades now and is a manifest failure but they're too brainwashed to accept the facts.

 

Go to GreatSchools.org and watch literally every school in the country show the same results for different races. Every single time it's asian -> white -> hispanic -> black. I can point this out and they'll just say more funding is needed. It's hopeless and they import over a million new people every year. 

Sorry US on the whole is finished. You can't recover from this now. 

Asians are top of the tree? I guess you have never looked at what Thai schools produce.

 

I have yet to meet a Thai who is able to make change without a calculator.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Asians are top of the tree? I guess you have never looked at what Thai schools produce.

 

I have yet to meet a Thai who is able to make change without a calculator.

You don't get out much, do you? 

[Yellowtail]

I remember the left spitting on the Vietnam vets when they came home. 

[Airalee]

I want one of these guys to show up if my house is on fire.  

 

I want the other to cut my hair.  

 

I definitely wouldn’t want them to switch jobs in the interest of DEI.

 

 

 

 

[theblether]

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Birth rates are declining in many countries. The cost of raising a child is a significant factor.

 

A second factor is education. IIRC there was a study in The Economist which showed the number of children a woman gave birth to was inversely proportional to her education level.

 

I don't necessarily see depopulation as a bad thing. Earth's resources are finite, the concept economies can expand ad infinitum is simply not sustainable.

 

I'm always interested in these takes. When I was young we were warned of an impending Ice Age and then it switched to global warming. The sheep ran after the new scare story ( as usual ). 

 

What these sheep and a large brigade of braying goats can't explain is why we waste enough food every year to feed 3 billion more people and that farmland is being removed from productivity as the level of food poundage available to human is the highest in history while not even scratching the surface of world capacity. 

 

But here's what you are really saying without meaning it. You are saying that humanity must suffer the catastrophe of population collapse and the genuine pain that will cause as we will not have the human resources to allay the worst excesses of old age. 

 

The only short term hope is that the Age of Oil can accelerate the Age of Robot, but the clown brigade is trying to shut down the Age of Oil prematurely. Let me explain this clearly - 

 

When the car was invented, we didn't shoot all the horses, did we? They lived together for about 50 years until cars became functional and affordable. We still needed horses. 

 

That's where we are at now, we still need oil driven products to literally allow us to create AI robots that will change your adult diapers in years to come. And it will need to be a robot that does it because the best of the humans available will be working for top dollar changing the diapers of the wealthy and the elite. 

 

Do you think I'm joking? Have a look at Canada and other countries who have decided to short circuit the entire imbroglio by medically executing their vulnerable citizens. The bizarre thing is that these left wing emoting halfwits don't understand that the last person that sought to rid the world of the vulnerable was a certain nasty wee Austrian guy. 

 

Some of you need to wake up. Your not half as bright as you think your are. 

[NorthernRyland]

31 minutes ago, theblether said:

I'm always interested in these takes. When I was young we were warned of an impending Ice Age and then it switched to global warming. The sheep ran after the new scare story ( as usual ). 

 

People get stuck in a certain phase of life and hold on to it until death. Happens to everyone. I've noticed Boomers are very invested in the narrative of climate change and world resources being depleted through massive population expansion.

 

Not sure where I'll get stuck but I heard about sea levels rising for 30 years now and since nothing even remotely close happened I'm ignoring them now.

 

As for population, birth rates are collapsing and we saw the white population drop for the first time in American history. The same people who are concerned about overpopulation tend to be for more immigration also and have been for decades. None of that makes sense either.

[Lacessit]

25 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

I'm always interested in these takes. When I was young we were warned of an impending Ice Age and then it switched to global warming. The sheep ran after the new scare story ( as usual ). 

 

What these sheep and a large brigade of braying goats can't explain is why we waste enough food every year to feed 3 billion more people and that farmland is being removed from productivity as the level of food poundage available to human is the highest in history while not even scratching the surface of world capacity. 

 

But here's what you are really saying without meaning it. You are saying that humanity must suffer the catastrophe of population collapse and the genuine pain that will cause as we will not have the human resources to allay the worst excesses of old age. 

 

The only short term hope is that the Age of Oil can accelerate the Age of Robot, but the clown brigade is trying to shut down the Age of Oil prematurely. Let me explain this clearly - 

 

When the car was invented, we didn't shoot all the horses, did we? They lived together for about 50 years until cars became functional and affordable. We still needed horses. 

 

That's where we are at now, we still need oil driven products to literally allow us to create AI robots that will change your adult diapers in years to come. And it will need to be a robot that does it because the best of the humans available will be working for top dollar changing the diapers of the wealthy and the elite. 

 

Do you think I'm joking? Have a look at Canada and other countries who have decided to short circuit the entire imbroglio by medically executing their vulnerable citizens. The bizarre thing is that these left wing emoting halfwits don't understand that the last person that sought to rid the world of the vulnerable was a certain nasty wee Austrian guy. 

 

Some of you need to wake up. Your not half as bright as you think your are. 

The real problem with depopulation is the fact countries in Africa have the highest birth rates in the world, without education systems worthy of the name.

I was in South Africa in 1983. Every African north of there was heading to it, because it had higher wages and a stable government. It's now got 34% unemployment.

I know oil will still be around for another 50 years. Electric cars can only fill 30% of demand add best, due to raw material constraints.

The Age of Renewables IMO is more desirable than the Age of AI. Unless we want to cook ourselves, and see economic migration which will dwarf what is happening now.

 

I know there are people out there that are smarter than me. When you post the sentence "Your not half as bright as you think your are. " I am damn sure you are not one of them.

 

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

People get stuck in a certain phase of life and hold on to it until death. Happens to everyone. I've noticed Boomers are very invested in the narrative of climate change and world resources being depleted through massive population expansion.

 

Not sure where I'll get stuck but I heard about sea levels rising for 30 years now and since nothing even remotely close happened I'm ignoring them now.

 

As for population, birth rates are collapsing and we saw the white population drop for the first time in American history. The same people who are concerned about overpopulation tend to be for more immigration also and have been for decades. None of that makes sense either.

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The real problem with depopulation is the fact countries in Africa have the highest birth rates in the world, without education systems worthy of the name.

I was in South Africa in 1983. Every African north of there was heading to it, because it had higher wages and a stable government. It's now got 34% unemployment.

I know oil will still be around for another 50 years. Electric cars can only fill 30% of demand add best, due to raw material constraints.

The Age of Renewables IMO is more desirable than the Age of AI. Unless we want to cook ourselves, and see economic migration which will dwarf what is happening now.

 

I know there are people out there that are smarter than me. When you post the sentence "Your not half as bright as you think your are. " I am damn sure you are not one of them.

 

Oh yes, the grammar police. 

[cdnvic]

Some posts were removed as well as those quoting them.

 

Please stick to discussing diversity hiring. If you use the topic as some have, to bring in discussions of racist and prejudicial views about certain groups of people, you'll find yourself thrown out of here in a hurry.

[theblether]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The real problem with depopulation is the fact countries in Africa have the highest birth rates in the world, without education systems worthy of the name.

I was in South Africa in 1983. Every African north of there was heading to it, because it had higher wages and a stable government. It's now got 34% unemployment.

I know oil will still be around for another 50 years. Electric cars can only fill 30% of demand add best, due to raw material constraints.

The Age of Renewables IMO is more desirable than the Age of AI. Unless we want to cook ourselves, and see economic migration which will dwarf what is happening now.

 

I know there are people out there that are smarter than me. When you post the sentence "Your not half as bright as you think your are. " I am damn sure you are not one of them.

 

 

Try making sense. 

 

The Age of Renewables is impossible without the Age of Oil. 

 

The Age of AI will rule the world, AI will manifest itself with robotics. 

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The real problem with depopulation is the fact countries in Africa have the highest birth rates in the world, without education systems worthy of the name.

 

That's only a problem if you let them in and keep sending them to money for food. They need to learn how to stabilize on their own without constant intervention. Also why be concerned with education in Africa? That's there to problem to solve unless we're planning another colonial era.

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Try making sense. 

 

The Age of Renewables is impossible without the Age of Oil. 

 

The Age of AI will rule the world, AI will manifest itself with robotics. 

 

 

Judging by some of the responses I get from AI, it's got a fair way to go yet. Answers that are dead wrong, and seemingly unable to learn from fresh input.

 

We already have robotics, from vehicle assembly to surgical robots.

 

Remind me please - has Musk put a self-driving car on the market?

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

That's only a problem if you let them in and keep sending them to money for food. They need to learn how to stabilize on their own without constant intervention. Also why be concerned with education in Africa? That's there to problem to solve unless we're planning another colonial era.

The last time I checked, Australia had some of the world's strictest immigration policies.

[theblether]

28 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

People get stuck in a certain phase of life and hold on to it until death. Happens to everyone. I've noticed Boomers are very invested in the narrative of climate change and world resources being depleted through massive population expansion.

 

Not sure where I'll get stuck but I heard about sea levels rising for 30 years now and since nothing even remotely close happened I'm ignoring them now.

 

As for population, birth rates are collapsing and we saw the white population drop for the first time in American history. The same people who are concerned about overpopulation tend to be for more immigration also and have been for decades. None of that makes sense either.

 

Correct. And there lies the issue - many of these people replace the old religions with a new religion. Well, it's not really new, its a variation of the fevers that drove the Inquisitions and Salem Witch Trials. 

 

Always be careful of middle-class witchcraft, that devious way people invent narratives to suit their internal suffering while watching 50 inch TV''s and booking cruise holidays. The pain, the horror. 

 

DEI is born from the same mass panic that drove the Salem Witch Trials, I jest you not. Although I preferred the English system. You were ducked in a pond and if you floated you were a witch, so you were burnt at the stake. If you drowned, you weren't a witch, so sad, too bad. 

 

DEI has firefighters saying things like "well, if your husband got caught in the wrong place during a fire, so sad, too bad." 

 

Fat. worthless mentally ill narcissistic unfit lesbians have no place as firefighters. 

 

Fit, efficient and effective lesbians are. 

 

No one cares about your sexuality when you emerge through the smoke and give us the gift of oxygen. 

 

And that's where DEI really eats itself. I know gay people who are enraged that they are surrounded by idiots that got themselves into senior positions due to weaponizing their sexuality. 

 

 

[JonnyF]

DEI can DIE as far as I am concerned.

 

It's nothing more than Wokies version of Racism and Sexism.

 

An excuse to discriminate against white heterosexuals. To take revenge for imagined past wrongs and punish the successful hard working people that built the place they are privileged to live in but now want to tear down.

 

Bitter failures. Thank goodness the Dems chose Harris. A seminal moment. 

 

2 more sleeps until Trump. Better than Christmas.

 

 

 

[theblether]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Judging by some of the responses I get from AI, it's got a fair way to go yet. Answers that are dead wrong, and seemingly unable to learn from fresh input.

 

We already have robotics, from vehicle assembly to surgical robots.

 

Remind me please - has Musk put a self-driving car on the market?

 

I don't know why you are asking me about Musk? 

 

And your issue re a "fair way to go" is my whole point about why we didn't shoot the horses as soon as the car was invented. 

 

But hey, the balloon brigade executed coal power stations and nuclear fuel well before renewables could fill the gap. 

 

And they call themselves intelligent - dear me.  

[theblether]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

DEI can DIE as far as I am concerned.

 

It's nothing more than Wokies version of Racism and Sexism.

 

An excuse to discriminate against white heterosexuals. To take revenge for imagined past wrongs and punish the successful hard working people that built the place they are privileged to live in but now want to tear down.

 

Bitter failures. Thank goodness the Dems chose Harris. A seminal moment. 

 

2 more sleeps until Trump. Better than Christmas.

 

 

 

 

Its the "Revenge of the Nerd." But its actually worse than that - nerds were and are fine, always have been. It's the weirdos, the malcontents that drive DEI. And make no mistake, as soon as parents started new-age parenting techniques then began drugging their kids in the eighties it started this downward spiral. 

 

These DEI kids were needing a good slap well before a participation ribbon for finishing last in the sack race. Then again, maybe we should slap the parents for being that stupid.  

[theblether]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Asians are top of the tree? I guess you have never looked at what Thai schools produce.

 

I have yet to meet a Thai who is able to make change without a calculator.

 

Strange that, I was talking to a double-masters qualified Thai friend this morning who is rebooting an oilfield in Norway at the moment. Masters educated in Scotland, France and Spain. One of several I know.  

[NorthernRyland]

22 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The last time I checked, Australia had some of the world's strictest immigration policies.

I think that's not true anymore. Same as Canada. Massive housing problems in both countries too.

[jas007]

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Remind me please - has Musk put a self-driving car on the market?

Musk and his self driving cars are probably coming sooner than you think.  They are already in use in certain parts of China.  And the development of the software s increasing at warp speed, so to speak.  I know there are people who think it's all a pipe dream, but many people have lost fortunes betting against Tesla and Musk. Think twice if you're one of them So far, he's made me some good money, and the best is yet to come.  The humanoid robots, Optimus, should be in production in a year.  

 

AI is coming sooner than many people think is possible. 

[jas007]

30 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Judging by some of the responses I get from AI, it's got a fair way to go yet. Answers that are dead wrong, and seemingly unable to learn from fresh input.

The little AI chatbots you're playing with are primitive early toys.  Faster than you can imagine, AI will develop the ability to learn and reason.  At this point, the computing power is growing exponentially, so to speak.  It will all take tremendous amounts of electric power, though, which seems to be the real impediment.  Anyway, all the big tech giants have billions of dollars of investments planned to solve those problems, and it will all come to fruition, soon.  Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen.  It will all be very disruptive of the current workforce, though, that much is certain.  Another industrial revolution. Just look at how computers have advanced in the past few decades.  This next move will be faster, still. 

[Lacessit]

22 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Strange that, I was talking to a double-masters qualified Thai friend this morning who is rebooting an oilfield in Norway at the moment. Masters educated in Scotland, France and Spain. One of several I know.  

You have heard of normal distributions in statistics? Another person who thinks one or two samples is representative of an entire population.

 

The people you know have left Thailand. There's 70 million who haven't, and are deliberately educated to avoid questioning authority.

[Lacessit]

40 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

I don't know why you are asking me about Musk? 

 

And your issue re a "fair way to go" is my whole point about why we didn't shoot the horses as soon as the car was invented. 

 

But hey, the balloon brigade executed coal power stations and nuclear fuel well before renewables could fill the gap. 

 

And they call themselves intelligent - dear me.  

South Australia gets 70% of its energy from renewables. In 2021, the state met 100% of operational demand from it for 180 days. The plan is to be 100% renewable by 2027.

 

Horses for courses, South Australia gets a lot more sun than that miserable little island off the coast of France.

[ericthai]

10 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

I suppose I am condemned to having not only studied history but having lived through the times in the USA from the 1950s onward. I remember having studied the segregated US Amed Forces, how Black US Veterans, after fighting in WW I & II, returned to their country only to be denied equally in education, voting rights, property rights, legal rights, etc. Fighting to make the world safe for democracy resulted in a very different reality for US minorities. Today, I am estranged from a USA that is moving to roll back the advances we had made continuing to reach for American ideals. I understand and agree that there is justified frustration/anger within the working middle class (and that this is not limited to my own country). But, having studied history, I fear the move toward an authoritarian right as an answer. The USA was founded on liberal ideas and that is why some of us understand that we can never get closer to the ideals while traveling in the opposite direction. We have moved in this direction previously, I am just not at all certain that we will regain balance before suffering a terrible cost under those currently seeming to hold the potential of no accountability until we are forced to the wall.

I assume you have not had to take any DEI classes. Nothing really to do with diversity. 
They want to change they way you speak.  You could no longer call a manager "manager" they were now to be called "People leader". 

 

Here are some more examples:

 

Addict → person with a substance abuse disorder

Addiction is a disease — but we shouldn’t equate a person’s identity with their disease. The word addict perpetuates the negative stereotyping and stigma around those who have an addiction. That’s because it acts as shorthand for those ideas. The more appropriate term, according to the Partnership to End Addiction, is now person with a substance use disorder or person struggling with an addiction.

 

Elderly → senior

Ageism is real, and using the word elderly to describe someone is one of the ways that it can manifest. The word invites the discrimination that older individuals often face, and it’s associated with things that are typically thought of in a negative light, like sickness or inability. So it’s best avoided. A better phrase would be older person or senior adult.

 

Homeless → people experiencing homelessness

Using this term to describe a group of people means defining them according to one trait they happen to share, and one that, for many, is a temporary state. It perpetuates the stigma associated with homelessness. A better option would be to say, someone who is experiencing homelessness.

 

Sex change → transition

According to GLAAD, the term sex change places an unnecessary emphasis and focus on the surgical aspect of transitioning. The decision to have surgery or not is a personal one, and someone who has transitioned should not have to reveal whether they’ve had surgery or not. The term sex change has also been used in the past to out trans people, so it’s both offensive and outdated. The preferred term for the surgery itself is sex reassignment surgery or gender affirmation surgery.

Exotic →refers to a woman

The term is often used to describe women of color. To those who have been described this way, it can foster feelings of being objectified, especially given the term’s racist colonial roots. Because the term is mostly meant to describe non-living things, it’s dehumanizing to use it to describe a person. Finally, it implies the person being described doesn’t fit a certain standard of beauty (remember non-white?), even as it objectifies them.

 

Insane → just don’t

Mental illness has long been fraught with stigma, and this term perpetuates the negative stereotypes associated with those who have mental illnesses. That’s a huge part of the problem when it comes to the treatment of mental illness itself, making it harder for people to seek help. A phrase that isn’t steeped in stigma, like person with a mental health condition, is a better option.

Man hours → person hours, engineering hours

It may be easy to overlook this term because its use is so widespread. But here are two reasons to cut this from your vocabulary: First, the term assumes that it is men who are doing the work, which excludes anyone who does not identify as a man. Second, it supports the gender binary by setting up a this-or-that classification. So it’s best to use a less exclusionary (and more descriptive!) term like person hours or work hours.

Alcoholic → person with a substance abuse disorder

As with the word addict, this word takes a person and makes them synonymous with their disease. This tethers them to all the negative ideas connected to that disease. For those who have alcoholism, this can make it harder to feel as though they’re making progress. A better option would be to say, person who has a substance abuse disorder.

 

 

People promoting DEI think they can turn the world into Disneyland, that everyone will be nice to each other.  

[Cryingdick]

It has been a complete embarrassing failure. I am happy it imploded on itself this quickly. Nobody here is playing that game anymore.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, ericthai said:

I assume you have not had to take any DEI classes. Nothing really to do with diversity. 
They want to change they way you speak.  You could no longer call a manager "manager" they were now to be called "People leader". 

 

Here are some more examples:

 

Addict → person with a substance abuse disorder

Addiction is a disease — but we shouldn’t equate a person’s identity with their disease. The word addict perpetuates the negative stereotyping and stigma around those who have an addiction. That’s because it acts as shorthand for those ideas. The more appropriate term, according to the Partnership to End Addiction, is now person with a substance use disorder or person struggling with an addiction.

 

Elderly → senior

Ageism is real, and using the word elderly to describe someone is one of the ways that it can manifest. The word invites the discrimination that older individuals often face, and it’s associated with things that are typically thought of in a negative light, like sickness or inability. So it’s best avoided. A better phrase would be older person or senior adult.

 

Homeless → people experiencing homelessness

Using this term to describe a group of people means defining them according to one trait they happen to share, and one that, for many, is a temporary state. It perpetuates the stigma associated with homelessness. A better option would be to say, someone who is experiencing homelessness.

 

Sex change → transition

According to GLAAD, the term sex change places an unnecessary emphasis and focus on the surgical aspect of transitioning. The decision to have surgery or not is a personal one, and someone who has transitioned should not have to reveal whether they’ve had surgery or not. The term sex change has also been used in the past to out trans people, so it’s both offensive and outdated. The preferred term for the surgery itself is sex reassignment surgery or gender affirmation surgery.

Exotic →refers to a woman

The term is often used to describe women of color. To those who have been described this way, it can foster feelings of being objectified, especially given the term’s racist colonial roots. Because the term is mostly meant to describe non-living things, it’s dehumanizing to use it to describe a person. Finally, it implies the person being described doesn’t fit a certain standard of beauty (remember non-white?), even as it objectifies them.

 

Insane → just don’t

Mental illness has long been fraught with stigma, and this term perpetuates the negative stereotypes associated with those who have mental illnesses. That’s a huge part of the problem when it comes to the treatment of mental illness itself, making it harder for people to seek help. A phrase that isn’t steeped in stigma, like person with a mental health condition, is a better option.

Man hours → person hours, engineering hours

It may be easy to overlook this term because its use is so widespread. But here are two reasons to cut this from your vocabulary: First, the term assumes that it is men who are doing the work, which excludes anyone who does not identify as a man. Second, it supports the gender binary by setting up a this-or-that classification. So it’s best to use a less exclusionary (and more descriptive!) term like person hours or work hours.

Alcoholic → person with a substance abuse disorder

As with the word addict, this word takes a person and makes them synonymous with their disease. This tethers them to all the negative ideas connected to that disease. For those who have alcoholism, this can make it harder to feel as though they’re making progress. A better option would be to say, person who has a substance abuse disorder.

 

 

People promoting DEI think they can turn the world into Disneyland, that everyone will be nice to each other.  

The progressives are very clever with twisting words & meanings.

Thanks for the post

 

 

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The progressives are very clever with twisting words & meanings.

Thanks for the post

 

 

 

This is why they have no message. This is why nobody listens to them anymore than the crack addict that is rambling on the subway. They are pretty much done now. Travelling around the country nobody wants anything to do with it now.

[honcho]

11 hours ago, WDSmart said:

No! No! No! Attitudes like that are precisely what DEI is trying to eliminate. People are not "bad rubbish" just because they are different from you. 

wrong... DEI is divisive destructive rubbish which lowers standards.. meritocracy is what counts! if a person is best for the role then they should have it even if it is a white man...

[Airalee]

3 hours ago, theblether said:

 

Its the "Revenge of the Nerd." But its actually worse than that - nerds were and are fine, always have been. It's the weirdos, the malcontents that drive DEI. And make no mistake, as soon as parents started new-age parenting techniques then began drugging their kids in the eighties it started this downward spiral. 

 

These DEI kids were needing a good slap well before a participation ribbon for finishing last in the sack race. Then again, maybe we should slap the parents for being that stupid.  

I wouldn’t say it’s “revenge of the nerds”.   The nerds were the ones who were primarily pitted against the jock douchebags and they actually did something with their lives and went on to major in STEM and then became programmers, actuaries, chemists etc. They brought us personal computers, video games, scientific advancements etc and were rewarded with high paying jobs.  I wish I had their brainpower sometimes.

 

The weirdos and malcontents dyed their hair blue, got piercings and tattoos, ate themselves into obesity (even as vegetarians) while working at Whole Foods and gourmet pizza parlors while smugly looking down on the rest of society with an underlying anger, ultimately demanding that we address them using their preferred pronouns.

 

Then, those weirdos started having kids and somehow, the kids, rather than rebelling against their parents, instead emulated them becoming even worse examples of woke indoctrination.