They love Trump, but many on the right loathe the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal he demanded

[placnx]

On 1/18/2025 at 1:59 PM, Yellowtail said:

Did Biden not take credit for the deal? 

Yes, desperate for some legacy in foreign affairs. His short speech on the ceasefire was so slurred that at times it was difficult to understand.

[Nick Carter icp]

30 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Selective BS

 

And to be true, to more people defent either sides, and take part, the more I know this is a lost case. 

 

Both parts have done sick war crimes against each other. And you know, 7. October wasnt the start of this conflict. 

 

 

   OK, name the war crimes that Israel have committed

[simple1]

18 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

How long has the PLA been working with Hamas? 

 

What will be different this time? 

 

Do you really think the PLA will eradicate Hamas? 

 

As I've said twice I just posted some thoughts. You well know PLA were defeated militarily in Gaza some years back. PLA have expressed interest in taking back Gaza in a governance role for which they will require support to push out Hamas armed fighters. Whether that is possible I do not know, but if Israeli forces move back into Gaza, IMO, they will lose international support. Who knows maybe the Abraham Accords may turn out to a useful mechanism other than enriching trump family.

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   OK, name the war crimes that Israel have committed

It have been posted frequently, but you guys have the truth, and only truth, so waste of time and energy. 

 

But 

 

Here it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

[placnx]

On 1/18/2025 at 3:12 PM, Hawaiian said:

In the next round Israel will most likely demand that Hamas be replaced as the governing authority in Gaza.  The problem is that no one really knows what shape or form of the entity to replace Hamas.  This needs to be resolved quite soon since it has been reported Hamas is replacing much of it's decimated force with new recruits.  One bright spot is that Hamas will not be getting much help in restocking its arsenal.  Hezbollah has been greatly weakened and Iran's weapons factory in Syria was demolished by Israeli commandos.  No matter what, Hamas needs to go, the sooner the better.

So if and when Palestinians are allowed to have elections, Hamas may not be on the ballot as such, but there will probably be a conservative party that will appeal to people who previously voted for Hamas in 2006.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Hummin said:

It have been posted frequently, but you guys have the truth, and only truth, so waste of time and energy. 

 

But 

 

Here it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

 

   You name them .

I don't really have the time to read and reply to that whole wiki page .

YOU read it and then name the war crimes

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

It have been posted frequently, but you guys have the truth, and only truth, so waste of time and energy. 

 

But 

 

Here it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

I agree 100%, but I guess that makes us anti sematic.  

 

What I hate most about USA foreign policy, the support of Israel.  Thankfully, none of my tax dollars went to them, as I've gotten most, if not all my taxes back over the past 24 years of being a blight on the USA budget 

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You name them .

I don't really have the time to read and reply to that whole wiki page .

YOU read it and then name the war crimes

Reader's digest version, and this is just the 1st paragraph ...

 

... "Israeli war crimes are violations of international criminal law, including war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of genocide, which Israeli security forces have committed or been accused of committing since the founding of Israel in 1948. These have included murder, intentional targeting of civilians, killing prisoners of war and surrendered combatants, indiscriminate attacks, collective punishment, starvation, persecution, the use of human shields, sexual violence and rape, torture, pillage, forced transfer, breach of medical neutrality, enforced disappearance, targeting journalists, attacking civilian and protected objects, wanton destruction, incitement to genocide, and genocide." ...

[placnx]

On 1/18/2025 at 3:29 PM, Hummin said:

It is the Biden Administration who have worked on this deal fro the last 7-8 months, but Benjamin Netanyahu wanted to wait for Trump take the seat to make it effective. 

 

So Trump and his experts have been involved the last few months

Netanyahu figures that Trump will give him more favors, like the last time when he recognized a unified Jerusalem as the israeli capital. So not giving success to Biden helped Trump get elected. (Of course Harris helped herself lose as well).

 

If not for his 100% backing of the war, Biden could have cut off arms & cash supplies long ago to secure a ceasefire, so the 7-8 months (as you say) were just time where 10000 more Palestinians died.

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You name them .

I don't really have the time to read and reply to that whole wiki page .

YOU read it and then name the war crimes

You are a comedian, 

 

It is in your interest to know what the country you so wholehearted support have done. Thats your duty, not mine to convince you.

 

It is your conscience, not mine

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Hummin said:

You are a comedian, 

 

I is in your interest to know what the country you so wholehearted support have done. Thats your duty, not mine to convince you.

 

It is your conscience, not mine

 

 

   You are claiming that Israel committed war crimes in the 2023 Gaza war .

   But you cannot name those alleged war crimes .

I am stating that you are wrong about your claims that Israel committed war crimes .

   You are wrong . 

[Hummin]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You are claiming that Israel committed war crimes in the 2023 Gaza war .

   But you cannot name those alleged war crimes .

I am stating that you are wrong about your claims that Israel committed war crimes .

   You are wrong . 

As long you believe so, good for you, nothing better than a good sleep in the night with good conscience. 

 

👏

[placnx]

On 1/18/2025 at 5:01 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Come on, if Israel would not have been established in that area, then the current problems wouldn't exist in that area.

It's almost funny when people blame Palestinians for the fact that they want to live where their ancestors lived.

At least Israel should obey the opinion of the ICJ and leave the West Bank and East Jerusalem, as well as what's left of Gaza.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Hummin said:

As long you believe so, good for you, nothing better than a good sleep in the night with good conscience. 

 

👏

 

   You are falsely  trying to claim that Palestinians  didn't start the war and you are trying to excuse Hamas war crimes and atrocities  by falsely  claiming that Israel did the same .

   Palestinians started this war and Palestinians are the only side to commit war crimes .

  Stop being dishonest by claiming otherwise 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You are falsely  trying to claim that Palestinians  didn't start the war and you are trying to excuse Hamas war crimes and atrocities  by falsely  claiming that Israel did the same .

   Palestinians started this war and Palestinians are the only side to commit war crimes .

  Stop being dishonest by claiming otherwise 

I think you and me are at same place as 6 months ago with our differences and view on this ongoing endless conflict, and 6 months before that

[placnx]

On 1/18/2025 at 5:37 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Your guess is wrong , no I will not be telling you that .

BTW , Gazans are not Israeli citizens so of course they do not have the same rights as Israeli citizens 

Neither are the West Bankers citizens of Israel. That is why Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have determined that Israel is an Apartheid state. They also found practices in Israel proper against the Arab Israeli population that rate as Apartheid.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I think we are at same place as 6 months ago, and 6 months before that

 

   Was that when the Palestinian were making false claims about mass starvation in Gaza and being in the brink of mass starvation ?

   Non stop false claims from the Palestinian side 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, placnx said:

Neither are the West Bankers citizens of Israel. 

 

   Yes they are . there are over 670 000 Israeli citizens living in the West Bank .

   But as its going off topic, it would be better to keep on topic and get back to the Trump ceasefire agreement  

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, placnx said:

At least Israel should obey the opinion of the ICJ and leave the West Bank and East Jerusalem, as well as what's left of Gaza.

 

   Dude, you have made four off topic posts in 30 minutes .

Try and keep to the topic of the thread 

[Bkk Brian]

34 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It have been posted frequently, but you guys have the truth, and only truth, so waste of time and energy. 

 

But 

 

Here it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

I admire the faith you place in Wiki........

 

Press Release  01.17.2025

 

Numerous Anti-Israel Wikipedia Editors, Including Instigators Who Targeted ADL, Banned Following Investigation

ADL calls on Wikipedia to immediately begin undoing harms by rogue editors
New York, NY, January 17, 2025 … ADL (the Anti-Defamation League) today welcomed the disciplinary action taken against multiple editors by the Wikipedia arbitration committee in the wake of a massive effort by anti-Israel editors to spread misinformation and hate across the platform.

https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/numerous-anti-israel-wikipedia-editors-including-instigators-who-targeted

 

But back on topic, even with a ceasefire in place the real terrorists Hamas are still carrying out multiple daily war crimes by holding onto innocent Israeli hostages.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

30 minutes ago, placnx said:

At least Israel should obey the opinion of the ICJ and leave the West Bank and East Jerusalem, as well as what's left of Gaza.

Why is Hamas not leaving the West Bank? Why is the PA currently eliminating as many Hamas and its affiliates as it can in the West Bank? 

 

Why would Israel leave Gaza while its hostages are still there and there is a war going on?

[Social Media]

@Hummin another of your posts has been removed for making a personal attack and making false claims. Any more and a warning will be issued. Once more, the topic is:

 

They love Trump, but many on the right loathe the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal he demanded

 

Not other posters.

[Hawaiian]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I admire the faith you place in Wiki........

 

Press Release  01.17.2025

 

Numerous Anti-Israel Wikipedia Editors, Including Instigators Who Targeted ADL, Banned Following Investigation

ADL calls on Wikipedia to immediately begin undoing harms by rogue editors
New York, NY, January 17, 2025 … ADL (the Anti-Defamation League) today welcomed the disciplinary action taken against multiple editors by the Wikipedia arbitration committee in the wake of a massive effort by anti-Israel editors to spread misinformation and hate across the platform.

https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/numerous-anti-israel-wikipedia-editors-including-instigators-who-targeted

 

But back on topic, even with a ceasefire in place the real terrorists Hamas are still carrying out multiple daily war crimes by holding onto innocent Israeli hostages.

 

 

Sad that there are low-life's out there undermining Wikipedia's credibility.   They need to be blacklisted.

[olongapo]

On 1/18/2025 at 6:01 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Come on, if Israel would not have been established in that area, then the current problems wouldn't exist in that area.

It's almost funny when people blame Palestinians for the fact that they want to live where their ancestors lived.

Most live in the uk.

[Hawaiian]

16 minutes ago, olongapo said:

Most live in the uk.

One estimate says 60,000 in 2017, out of 14.5 million Palestinians worldwide.

[Hanaguma]

Both groups have legitimate claims to be native to the area. But one group wants to murder the other, while the other wants to live in some kind of peace. That is the bottom line.  The only wars of genocide have been the ones perpetrated by Hamas and their ilk, starting in 1948 and continuing ever since. 

 

As for the current deal, it will fail eventually. Israel will continue to hunt down and kill the terrorists who took part in the October 7 massacre.  

Frankly, I have given up on the current generation of Palestinians. THey have been raised in an atmosphere of hatred and anti-semitism that rivals anything done in Nazi Germany. The only long term hope would be to rescue the NEXT generation and try to educate them in tolerance and forbearance. Teach them that Jews are not vermin, but neighbours. 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

It have been posted frequently, but you guys have the truth, and only truth, so waste of time and energy. 

 

But 

 

Here it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

 

   I did have a quick look through the alleged war crimes in that Wiki link .

A quick look through and all the allegations have been shown to be not war crimes . 

   The allegations have been addressed in other threads previously and explained why they aren't war crimes  .

   Like , Hospitals and Schools lose their right to protection as soon as one side uses the buildings for military purposes , so Israel attacking Hamas who hide in Schools and hospitals ISNT a war crime .

   Also, the IDF were shooting at Hamas who were stealing food from the food trucks , the IDF were not shooting at civilians queuing up for food .

   Those issues have all been addressed previously .

That also shows unreliable Wiki is these days .

Holding hostages is indeed a war crime .

Hamas handing over hostages is evidence of Hamas war crimes 

[Hawaiian]

15 hours ago, Hummin said:

You call war crimes usage of napalm and agent orange   in indochina war restrictions? Bombing villages, killing civilians? Genocide?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/opinion/did-america-commit-war-crimes-in-vietnam.html

 

 

Please show me where I mentioned the use of napalm and agent orange.  You can't because I didn't.

The mining of Haiphong Harbor was off the table until the end.  If the U.S. had bombed military targets in Hanoi things might have ended differently.

In the Korean Conflict we were not allowed to go after Chinese troops when they crossed the Yalu.

 

 

[Hawaiian]

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You are falsely  trying to claim that Palestinians  didn't start the war and you are trying to excuse Hamas war crimes and atrocities  by falsely  claiming that Israel did the same .

   Palestinians started this war and Palestinians are the only side to commit war crimes .

  Stop being dishonest by claiming otherwise 

Agree. There is a difference between grievances that led to the present Gaza conflict and the date the conflict actually started.

This is similar to the actual date the U.S. declared war on Japan in WWII.

[Hawaiian]

48 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Please show me where I mentioned the use of napalm and agent orange.  You can't because I didn't.

The mining of Haiphong Harbor was off the table until the end.  If the U.S. had bombed military targets in Hanoi things might have ended differently.

In the Korean Conflict we were not allowed to go after Chinese troops when they crossed the Yalu.

 

 

I stand corrected.  The U.S. did bomb Hanoi, but was not allowed to attack its air defense system.