Benjamin arrives at the logical conclusion regarding taxes

[newbee2022]

2 minutes ago, topt said:

Where do you think you are? (or perhaps you have adopted the Thai "Do you know who I am" mindset)

 

Same in most other countries - it is up to you to be aware of the law. I don't know, but I doubt, that the US tax code is completely translated into Thai for example. I know the UK's isn't.

 

Either breathtaking arrogance or blind stupidity

🤣 I'm happy even with signboards in English. To expect any document in English would only be possible after colonisation by Westeners. More likely you will read it in Mandarin next.🤣

[oldcpu]

11 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

The officer told me to overwrite the online form (after printing) and send it as copies by mail or go personally to your RD office.

Seems to be doable.

 

I'd say the best YOU would go there and ask your personal questions. I can't answer your question 

Thanks. 

 

I was just curious. 

 

My wife already talked to local RD about my specific financial situation as a tax resident of Thailand. The local RD official advised in my case that I don't qualify for a Thai TIN, nor given my financial situation was I required to submit a tax form for 2024 tax year.

[CharlesHolzhauer]

3 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

Obviously they government knows if they want taxes they need a formal procedure and notify expats, which would happen via immigration as that's their point of contact for us.

Enforcement would be straightforward if the Thai Revenue Department (TRD) works closely with the Thai Immigration Bureau (TIB), which I am confident will occur eventually. Implementing a tax clearance certificate to confirm that an individual’s Thai tax account is in good standing with their local TRD would be both simple and effective. The responsibility would rest on the individual to obtain this certificate, requiring minimal effort from TIB officers. It would merely become another document added to the individual's checklist. Efficient and hassle-free.

[newbee2022]

51 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

Thanks. 

 

I was just curious. 

 

My wife already talked to local RD about my specific financial situation as a tax resident of Thailand. The local RD official advised in my case that I don't qualify for a Thai TIN, nor given my financial situation was I required to submit a tax form for 2024 tax year.

I know. It's frustrating. I sent an email to my embassy (they are always sooo helpful🤣) and ask for clarification. Well, on the weekends Fr-Mon nobody's working. So I'll inform you if I'll get a reply (mostly Blabla though)

[J Branche]

1 hour ago, topt said:

Where do you think you are? (or perhaps you have adopted the Thai "Do you know who I am" mindset)

 

Same in most other countries - it is up to you to be aware of the law. I don't know, but I doubt, that the US tax code is completely translated into Thai for example. I know the UK's isn't.

 

Either breathtaking arrogance or blind stupidity

Actually False, when ever a law or policy change occurs they are required to notify the public.  

 

This targets Foreigners and Foreign Sourced Accessable Income.  The Revenue Department should understand that if they want Foreigners to comply just like when they make Visa Changes they provide all necessary information to the Foreign Embassies. That country then updates all the Embassy Websites noting the changes.  If you have a problem with any Thai Government Agency that Agency will instruct you to talk with your Embassy.  (That is the procedure and process)  That is why the US Double Tax Agreement is on the Embassy website.

[J Branche]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

🤣 I'm happy even with signboards in English. To expect any document in English would only be possible after colonisation by Westeners. More likely you will read it in Mandarin next.🤣

My comment requests the information to be available in document that the text may be copied from.  This allows it to be easily translated into most languages.

 

The PDF if not created correctly the text can Not be copied.  

 

I understand as stated many times "The Thai Language" document takes Precedence over translated versions.

[newbee2022]

2 minutes ago, J Branche said:

My comment requests the information to be available in document that the text may be copied from.  This allows it to be easily translated into most languages.

 

The PDF if not created correctly the text can Not be copied.  

 

I understand as stated many times "The Thai Language" document takes Precedence over translated versions.

Yes, I think that's well known to everyone living here

[saintdomingo]

7 hours ago, connda said:

".... think this all goes away"? <laughs>   

Nothing has changed other than 1) closing a loophole for the time periods for remittances that is aimed more at Thai citizens than anyone else, and 2) people like yourself who are freaking out because some savvy tax consultants stoked the fires of fear in the expat community with ฿฿฿฿฿฿ THB-signs in their eyes.

"Clearance Certificate part of the documents required at extension time..."  😱 Eek! OMG!

Good lord...I'll worry about it IF it happens.  And then I won't worry about it.  My country's DTA drops me below any tax threshold.  But hey!  Feel free to shake in you boots flip-flops. Or maybe your a wearer of Berluti or Christian Louboutin luxury shoes, in which case, maybe you have something to worry about tax-wise.  In that case?  Pay up rich man! 

Would you feel the same if you were not subject to a DTA.?

If the answer is yes, why then did you mention DTA.?

[saintdomingo]

5 hours ago, soalbundy said:

555555, some years ago I went to the tax office to get a confirmation that I don't work in Thailand as requested by my earlier company who pays my company pension.

No can do

why not'

you don't have a tax number

That's because I don't work here

hmmmm, maybe you work without a tax number....no can do.

If you worked here previously did you have a TIN then.?

[Cardano]

7 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Ok so far. It's only a small step to the 90 days report. Then you can see, how many days someone stays in the country. And if you connect your passport stamps with the revenue department the there are no loop hole left 

Again easily defeated just do a 2 day border hop every 179 days

[anrcaccount]

5 hours ago, alanrchase said:

Watched one of his videos the other day where he seemed to be suggesting that his viewers should report the foreigners who he considered were working illegally by giving tax advice. I thought that was very poor advice from a lawyer in Thailand considering the defamation laws. He is a lawyer, if he thinks people are working illegally why doesn't he report them himself? Gave up watching his videos after that.

 

I guarantee he has already reported them , and most likely,  the report has been ignored.

 

Evidence would suggest the Thai authorities have zero interest in enforcing the taxation laws on foreigners / foreign remittances.............. so it's likely they they equally have zero interest in enforcing the laws on foreigners illegally giving tax advice to other foreigners!

 

 

 

[newbee2022]

2 minutes ago, Cardano said:

Again easily defeated just do a 2 day border hop every 179 days

Sorry, but that will not work. Do you think Thais would not know that and subsequently ask for your tax declaration when reentering or check you stamps when asking for a visa extension? (After 179 days and then reentering you exceed the threshold = more than 180 days in the country). So with your way you are definitely tax resident.

[newbee2022]

7 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

Because you don't have to be a tax resident to get a 1 year extension.

You can have 1 year extensions and stay less 180 days in Thailand

Meaning you will have to stay outside for half a year

[soalbundy]

41 minutes ago, saintdomingo said:

If you worked here previously did you have a TIN then.?

I'm a pensioner, I've never worked here. I had to get the German embassy to confirm that the tax department wouldn't help me, that was enough for my company, they just wanted a piece of paper.

[Yumthai]

2 hours ago, CharlesHolzhauer said:

It would merely become another document added to the individual's checklist.

It would just become another business for agents.

[CallumWK]

1 hour ago, J Branche said:

Actually False, when ever a law or policy change occurs they are required to notify the public.  

 

This targets Foreigners and Foreign Sourced Accessable Income.  The Revenue Department should understand that if they want Foreigners to comply just like when they make Visa Changes they provide all necessary information to the Foreign Embassies. That country then updates all the Embassy Websites noting the changes.  If you have a problem with any Thai Government Agency that Agency will instruct you to talk with your Embassy.  (That is the procedure and process)  That is why the US Double Tax Agreement is on the Embassy website.

 

I don't know about your embassy, but mine has informed me by email about this on 31 October 2023, and an update on 19 March 2024.

Are you registered as living in Thailand at your embassy?

[NorthernRyland]

45 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

I don't know about your embassy, but mine has informed me by email about this on 31 October 2023, and an update on 19 March 2024.

 

This is why Benjamin is making all these videos. Your embassy is operating based on media reports (according to him illegal) and not informed by the law. He's right, the media has caused huge chaos and even influenced embassies now apparently.

[topt]

3 hours ago, J Branche said:

Actually False, when ever a law or policy change occurs they are required to notify the public.  

They did  - and was also widely reported in English language media......

 

3 hours ago, J Branche said:

This targets Foreigners and Foreign Sourced Accessable Income. 

You really are late to the party.....Personally, and yes only my opinion, there was no initial attempt to "target"foreigners as you put it.

 

Which would appear to be the case as so many posters have reported that individual RD offices have seemingly been nonplussed when approached by foreigners requesting TINs when they have no or limited assessable income. If they were targeted don't you think think they would have been all over them.........

 

3 hours ago, J Branche said:

If you have a problem with any Thai Government Agency that Agency will instruct you to talk with your Embassy.  (That is the procedure and process)  That is why the US Double Tax Agreement is on the Embassy website.

Really.......you should be happy that you come from a nanny state then.......

As to "that is the procedure and process" - you sound like someone from a Health and Safety department. Try joining the real world if this is where you choose to live 

 

[NorthernRyland]

42 minutes ago, topt said:

They did  - and was also widely reported in English language media......

 

 

and what did the government say on the matter? The media spun this to mean something it isn't. That's the whole point of this thread.

[CallumWK]

2 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

This is why Benjamin is making all these videos. Your embassy is operating based on media reports (according to him illegal) and not informed by the law. He's right, the media has caused huge chaos and even influenced embassies now apparently.

 

I doubt my embassy's messages are based on media reports, but Benjamin likes his own voice a lot, and his company is raking the baht in from people who watch his videos.

[Lorry]

11 hours ago, J Branche said:

Doesn't Thailand need to properly notify Resident Foreigners of the changes tax or enforcement and procedure that should be followed.

No.

Absolutely not necessary. 

I don't know where you are from, but countries like Australia,  North America,  Western Europe don't work like this. 

If you live there as a tax resident you owe taxes, nobody is going to tell you this.  You are supposed to know it.

[FritsSikkink]

On 1/17/2025 at 10:13 PM, KhunHeineken said:

This is an easy money earner for them, especially if the simple pathway of enforcement is attaching it to the annual extension, and no votes lost at election time.  

Typical foreigners thinking the law is there for them only.

Rich Thai people bring in a lot more than the foreign pensioners. 

[CharlesHolzhauer]

8 hours ago, Yumthai said:

It would just become another business for agents.

It’s possible, but in my view, highly unlikely. I’ll refrain from elaborating further on this for now.

[motdaeng]

8 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

This is why Benjamin is making all these videos. Your embassy is operating based on media reports (according to him illegal) and not informed by the law. He's right, the media has caused huge chaos and even influenced embassies now apparently.

 

absolutely wrong, what are you talking about...? a few embassies did inform their citizens directly... 

 

do you seriously think the government should personally inform every citizen about changes in regulations or laws?

 

 

 

[msbkk]

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

 

absolutely wrong, what are you talking about...? a few embassies did inform their citizens directly... 

 

do you seriously think the government should personally inform every citizen about changes in regulations or laws?

 

 

 

A friend of mine went to the Swiss consulate in Pattaya and asked about the new tax. He was told that until now not any

details are known.

[motdaeng]

7 hours ago, msbkk said:

A friend of mine went to the Swiss consulate in Pattaya and asked about the new tax. He was told that until now not any

details are known.

 

does your friend have the answer in written form?

unlike the embassy, which conducted a live webinar with a high official from the TRD  and afterward sent a written summary to all affected citizens ... take your pick ...

[Cardano]

22 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Sorry, but that will not work. Do you think Thais would not know that and subsequently ask for your tax declaration when reentering or check you stamps when asking for a visa extension? (After 179 days and then reentering you exceed the threshold = more than 180 days in the country). So with your way you are definitely tax resident.

the comment is in regard to the 90 day reporting at immigration, do try and keep up with the thread and not just cherry pick to suit your agenda.

[newbee2022]

30 minutes ago, Cardano said:

the comment is in regard to the 90 day reporting at immigration, do try and keep up with the thread and not just cherry pick to suit your agenda.

Stop trolling

[msbkk]

4 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

does your friend have the answer in written form?

unlike the embassy, which conducted a live webinar with a high official from the TRD  and afterward sent a written summary to all affected citizens ... take your pick ...

The mentioned webinar left many questions open. The Bangkok Post reported end of last year  that even the government itself has not discussed the details about the new law.

[The Cyclist]

23 hours ago, anrcaccount said:

I guarantee he has already reported them , and most likely,  the report has been ignored.

 

Well, here is Cardens response

 

 

 

Whatever the issue is between them, I do not know.

 

But the female Thai Tax person is quite specific at around the 10 minute mark, with the 3 levels

 

1. In Thailand for 180 days or more.

 

2. Remit income in 2024, which was earned in 2024, 

 

3. File a tax return.

 

Section 40 ( 1 ) says : Assessable income is income of the following categories

 

Quote

(1) Income derived from employment, whether in the form of salary, wage, per diem, bonus, bounty, gratuity, pension, house rent allowance, monetary value of rent-free residence provided by an employer, payment of debt liability of an employee made by an employer, or any money, property or benefit derived from employment.⁴

 

That seems quite clear to me. Pensions need to be filed.

 

DTA's will then determine whether they are subject to Thai Tax or only taxable in home Country.

 

TEDA's and pension Credits will determine whether you have any tax to pay.

 

Peeps will need to watch the rest of the video to see what it says about other types of income.