Trump's Mass Deportation Plans Spark Controversy and Resistance Across the US

[candide]

24 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Harvesting crops, what a hoot.

 

Only a few percent of illegal aliens work in agriculture. 

 

 

Which percentage?

 

It seems they represent a significant share of agricultural, workers. Below about the example I cited.

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/feeding-america-how-immigrants-sustain-us-agriculture

 

[Will B Good]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Those immigrant advocacy groups and Democratic leaders would swear red is green if it was against Trump, IMO.

Dig in guys, it's going to get rough for the woke.

 

Just can't stop yourself.

[mogandave]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Which percentage?

 

It seems they represent a significant share of agricultural, workers. Below about the example I cited.

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/feeding-america-how-immigrants-sustain-us-agriculture

 

While illegal aliens represent a significant percentage of agricultural workers, they do not represent a significant percentage of illegal aliens, which is what I said. 

 

I’m sorry that was not more clear.

[candide]

33 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Automation can easily replace individual workers doing harvesting. Already, USAID has helped farmers in Central America with automation. It can be done in the US as well. For the present, however, it is cheaper to hire illegals and have the local taxpayers support them with educational and health services. Arrest, fine, and RICO those hiring illegals. Make them operate honestly. You'll see a turn towards more automation. What workers are needed can easily be supplied through H2A visa program.

That's a relevant comment. It's not possible for some crops, such as grapes, but likely possible for others. I haven't found relevant stats about it.

[Airalee]

10 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Some of these people deserve to go but there are many others doing the jobs in fields and construction sites that many American's don't want to do -

I’ve done lots of my own home renovations including laying hardwood floors, tile work, painting, concrete work, landscaping etc etc and can do a better job than the illegals.  But who’s going to hire me when there is a parking lot full of illegals at every home improvement center? 
 

When I have gone to Home Depot, many of the workers there can’t even speak English or are DEI hires who have never done any kind of home improvement work.  I end up having to find the appropriate tools myself and would love a part time job there in retirement.

 

Of course, soft, limp wristed liberals who have never gotten their hands dirty don’t want those jobs.

[mogandave]

12 minutes ago, candide said:

That's a relevant comment. It's not possible for some crops, such as grapes, but likely possible for others. I haven't found relevant stats about it.

[mogandave]

9 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I’ve done lots of my own home renovations including laying hardwood floors, tile work, painting, concrete work, landscaping etc etc and can do a better job than the illegals.  But who’s going to hire me when there is a parking lot full of illegals at every home improvement center? 
 

When I have gone to Home Depot, many of the workers there can’t even speak English or are DEI hires who have never done any kind of home improvement work.  I end up having to find the appropriate tools myself and would love a part time job there in retirement.

 

Of course, soft, limp wristed liberals who have never gotten their hands dirty don’t want those jobs.

When I got out of high school, construction jobs paid very well.

[Celsius]

The only thing I don't like with Trump plan is that they'll all come to canuckstan 

[candide]

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

While illegal aliens represent a significant percentage of agricultural workers, they do not represent a significant percentage of illegal aliens, which is what I said. 

 

I’m sorry that was not more clear.

I did understand you.. I was pointing out that it was also a significant percentage of agricultural worker, so the impact is concentrated on some types of sectors and jobs, not evenly distributed.

 

Then it depends on what you consider as significant. 18.18% of illegal immigrants work in the agricultural sector (2/11), it's not really insignificant. On top of it, if only the working age population is considered, that is around 7.7 million people, so it's 26% of the undocumented immigrant working age population working in agriculture.

 

https://research.newamericaneconomy.org/report/immigration-and-agriculture/

https://cmsny.org/agricultural-workers-rosenbloom-083022/#:~:text=According to CMS estimates%2C there,undocumented workforce in United States.

[candide]

19 minutes ago, mogandave said:

How many are in use?

[Airalee]

12 minutes ago, mogandave said:

When I got out of high school, construction jobs paid very well.

Exactly.  And as a homeowner, doing them myself over the years saved me a ton of money and it was something I enjoyed doing far more than my “white collar” job.

 

The contractors who hire illegals to do the work don’t save the homeowners money.  The contractor just ends up pocketing the difference.

 

I even saved a ton of money (and headaches) here in Thailand laying my own floors as the installers didn’t know what they were doing.

 

 

[frank83628]

Did Obamas mass deportation get the same controversy?

He deported more than past presidents combined.

Media double standards at play again

[mogandave]

25 minutes ago, candide said:

How many are in use?

You said there were none, clearly you were wrong, yes?

 

Regardless of how many there are, if the price of labor goes up, there will be more.

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Did Obamas mass deportation get the same controversy?

He deported more than past presidents combined.

Media double standards at play again

Obama’s deporter is back in charge…

[candide]

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

You said there were none, clearly you were wrong, yes?

 

Regardless of how many there are, if the price of labor goes up, there will be more.

I did not said there were none. I said it was not well adapted to some type of crops. Apparently, there's some innovation going on. Are they just being experimented or is there already mass production of reliable products launched?

 

As far as I understand, Trump will expell illegal immigrants quite quickly. Will there be a large number of reliable and efficient robots on the market, at a competitive price, ready to replace quickly the expelled workers?

[mogandave]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

I did not said there were none. I said it was not well adapted to some type of crops. Apparently, there's some innovation going on. Are they just being experimented or is there already mass production of reliable products launched?

You said it was not possible. 

 

 

The illegal immigrants will not be expelled quite quickly, and agricultural workers will likely be the last to go.

 

In any event, we can do without grapes for a while.

 

[frank83628]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

I did not said there were none. I said it was not well adapted to some type of crops. Apparently, there's some innovation going on. Are they just being experimented or is there already mass production of reliable products launched?

 

As far as I understand, Trump will expell illegal immigrants quite quickly. Will there be a large number of reliable and efficient robots on the market, at a competitive price, ready to replace quickly the expelled workers?

A 'Trumps bad' Flip flop, flip flop,  you are justifing illegal workers despite the fact they take jobs from legal workers

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

No, it doesn't. 

 

The first to go are the ones with standing deportation orders. Then the criminals in jails. Then the recent arrivals. In the meantime the rest will have time to voluntarily go back to their home countries and apply for legal status.  

 

Families will not be deported if they are in the country legally. If the situation is one illegal member and the others legal, the legal ones will be given the option to return with the deportee. So the only way families will be broken up is if they choose to do so themselves. 

Apply for legal status that's a good one, that's the joke of the day, for sure.

 

It is very obvious you know very little about the American immigration system and how broken the legal immigration system is. 

[Lacessit]

11 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Wages will rise until somebody is willing to do the job. 

Tell me how that helps control inflation.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

American prosperity was built on the availability of cheap land and a demand for labor that resulted in high wages. Deporting illegals reduces the demand and prices for housing and makes laborers better off. Win-win. American citizens working as a cashier at McDonald's deserve to be able to own a home, afford transportation, buy groceries, pay for school, and have a family. Illegals destabilize the entire economic construct for family building. All so the Musks, Kochs, WGA, and Chambers of Commerce get rich.

Sounds like you're either not American or you just don't know much about the country. I would like to see you try to get an American to work at McDonald's, in anything other than a managerial position.

 

The least understood aspect of all this anti-immigrant hysteria is that most Americans are not interested and not willing to do the kind of work that these immigrants do. Unemployment is very low, these immigrants are not taking jobs away from Americans, that's just an extremely ignorant Trump talking point and racist sloganeering. 

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Tell me how that helps control inflation.

As wages go up, people, particularly the poor, can better afford higher prices. 

 

Because direct labor is typically a small percentage of crop costs, lower energy prices will easily offset it.

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Sounds like you're either not American or you just don't know much about the country. I would like to see you try to get an American to work at McDonald's, in anything other than a managerial position.

 

The least understood aspect of all this anti-immigrant hysteria is that most Americans are not interested and not willing to do the kind of work that these immigrants do. Unemployment is very low, these immigrants are not taking jobs away from Americans, that's just an extremely ignorant Trump talking point and racist sloganeering. 

Unemployment is low, but the  labor force participation rate is very low.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, mogandave said:

As wages go up, people, particularly the poor, can better afford higher prices. 

 

Because direct labor is typically a small percentage of crop costs, lower energy prices will easily offset it.

Have you heard about wage push inflation. 

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Have you heard about wage push inflation. 

Why don’t you explain it. 

[Eric Loh]

Just now, mogandave said:

Why don’t you explain it. 

So you are clueless to make your statement. 

[mogandave]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

So you are clueless to make your statement. 

I knew you couldn’t.

 

Poor lefty, relegated to  posting things he doesn’t understand and can’t explain.

[Hanaguma]

19 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Sounds like you're either not American or you just don't know much about the country. I would like to see you try to get an American to work at McDonald's, in anything other than a managerial position.

 

The least understood aspect of all this anti-immigrant hysteria is that most Americans are not interested and not willing to do the kind of work that these immigrants do. Unemployment is very low, these immigrants are not taking jobs away from Americans, that's just an extremely ignorant Trump talking point and racist sloganeering. 

...so in YOUR America, there are no Americans working at fast food restaurants? No legal immigrants either? Just poor exploited illegals getting their $15-20 an hour...  

 

You keep repeating the same tired racist trope of illegals doing jobs Americans wont do.  They WILL do them, just not for the depressed wages offered to illegals.  Remove the downward pressure on wages that illegal labour creates, and let the marketplace decide the wages. Combine that with tightening up welfare and benefits and you will see a dramatic difference.

[phetphet]

I wonder what the death toll might be by the end of these operations. Those officials will go in armed, and some of those being sought might not go quietly.

[mogandave]

5 minutes ago, phetphet said:

I wonder what the death toll might be by the end of these operations. Those officials will go in armed, and some of those being sought might not go quietly.

So they go loudly 

[Walker88]

12 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

The point is that families will be deported, including citizens. That's Homan's solution to avoid family separations ... so inadvertently, but it will still happen. Citizen children and undocumented parents?

You don't understand MAGA "Family Values".

 

Consider the former buyout artist Al "Chainsaw" Dunlap. He bought productive, ongoing concerns and sold them off in parts. That's the Homan Plan. Take whole families and sell them off in parts.

 

You expect a higher morality to come under the auspices of a serial philanderer and convicted business and charity cheat?