Hamas Is Effectively Back in Control in Gaza With no alternative following a cease-fire with

[Eloquent pilgrim]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Where did I write that Hamas was "the U.S. designated terrorist group"?

 

Here in your original post from which I have copied and am pasting below:

 

“Hamas began sending thousands of its forces onto the streets to establish control.
The deployment—envisioned by the agreement that pauses the fighting while the combatants exchange hostages for prisoners—highlights how the U.S.-designated terrorist group remains the dominant power in the territory”

 

 

Seems that you don't even know what you have said now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Since no one was named, I don't  feel obliged to delve into the archives.

 

   Can you send them a PM and asks them to publicly reveal themselves on these forums ?

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for that simpleminded assertion.

Since when are facts simple minded assertions?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas lost 17 000   members , nearly all their leadership got wiped out , all their tunnels in Gaza have been destroyed , much of their home ground has been turned to rubble , their allies in the North have been removed .

   Can't say the same about the IDF

Maybe it's time for you to consider the subject of this thread as it is written in the Wall St Journal Article:

 

Hamas Is Effectively Back in Control in Gaza 

 

Or maybe you can share with us Israel's plan to extricate itself from Gaza. It has repeatedly tried to enlist others to relieve it of the burden. So far, no takers.

 

 

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Since when are facts simple minded assertions?

Since when is characterizing something with roots as complicated as this war like this:

 

The war was caused by Hamas .

Hamas are responsible for the war 

 

not simpleminded?

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe it's time for you to consider the subject of this thread as it is written in the Wall St Journal Article:

 

Hamas Is Effectively Back in Control in Gaza 

 

Or maybe you can share with us Israel's plan to extricate itself from Gaza. It has repeatedly tried to enlist others to relieve it of the burden. So far, no takers.

 

 

You missed out this bit from your OP

 

"Strange. So, Israel hasn't won that war?"

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Since when is characterizing something with roots as complicated as this war like this:

 

The war was caused by Hamas .

Hamas are responsible for the war 

 

not simpleminded?

It was a fact. 

 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Since when are facts simple minded assertions?

 

[Njoku]

Yes and Hamas would be as popular as a dead rat found in your fridge, 15 months of misery would have turned many of the population into thinking hang with these guys we are dead men walking.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Since when is characterizing something with roots as complicated as this war like this:

 

The war was caused by Hamas .

Hamas are responsible for the war 

 

not simpleminded?

 

   Its really not complicated at all .

Palestine invaded Israel on Oct 7 th .

A war began due to that attack/invasion .

Its simple and not complicated at all .

Had Palestine not attacked Israel, then they wouldn't have been a war

Simple and straight forward

[Purdey]

Seems that any Hamas on the streets could have his photo taken from long distance for future reference.

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Or maybe you can share with us Israel's plan to extricate itself from Gaza. It has repeatedly tried to enlist others to relieve it of the burden. So far, no takers.

 

 

   You make Palestinians sound like parasites hanging onto Israel and Israel being unable to get rid of them .

   Why should Palestinians be a burden to Israel ?

[Social Media]

More way off topic posts removed. Please discuss the thread without the need for personal attacks and off topic trolling

[connda]

On 1/21/2025 at 2:32 PM, Hawaiian said:

The ragtag army that is Hamas today

"ragtag army" 
The danger in denigrating an enemy is that it creates the illusion that they are but a minor inconvenience that can be easily subdued by a superior force and swept aside with 2000 lb bombs and "God on it's side." The manner in which the IDF conducts itself in Gaza has consequences, one of which is that those Palestinians who have lost everything have nothing else to lose - so they join Hamas as fighters.

Well, everyone in that neck of the woods are all killing each other in the name of God...which is why I'm an anti-war Buddhist: No god to kill for, no war culture to die for, with perhaps the exception of the Shaolin monks of old.

"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not."
-- Jeremiah 5:21

[placeholder]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It was a fact. 

 

 

Keep up the repetition long enough and magically that will turn the assertion into al fact.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Keep up the repetition long enough and magically that will turn the assertion into al fact.

Why is it not a fact? Hamas caused it.

 

Israel–Hamas war

It is the fifth war of the Gaza–Israel conflict since 2008, and the most significant military engagement in the region since the Yom Kippur War in 1973.[74] It commenced with the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust, is the deadliest war for Palestinians in the history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict,[75] and has sparked an ongoing Middle Eastern crisis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hamas_war

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Keep up the repetition long enough and magically that will turn the assertion into al fact.

 

   So, who did start the war which began on Oct 7 th ?

 

[connda]

16 minutes ago, Njoku said:

Yes and Hamas would be as popular as a dead rat found in your fridge, 15 months of misery would have turned many of the population into thinking hang with these guys we are dead men walking.

You'd think eh?  But instead, the population is thinking, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."  Most of you people have no understanding of anything outside of Western culture and Western norms.  The Middle East is a foreign wasteland of "camel-riding rag-heads with curved knives" to most of you.  Ya'll have a singularly unitary world-view which is biased to the point that it fails to reflect actual realities.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Here in your original post from which I have copied and am pasting below:

 

“Hamas began sending thousands of its forces onto the streets to establish control.
The deployment—envisioned by the agreement that pauses the fighting while the combatants exchange hostages for prisoners—highlights how the U.S.-designated terrorist group remains the dominant power in the territory”

 

 

Seems that you don't even know what you have said now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

 

Wow!  You've got something for the man.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

41 minutes ago, connda said:

You'd think eh?  But instead, the population is thinking, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."  Most of you people have no understanding of anything outside of Western culture and Western norms.  The Middle East is a foreign wasteland of "camel-riding rag-heads with curved knives" to most of you.  Ya'll have a singularly unitary world-view which is biased to the point that it fails to reflect actual realities.

 

 

Well, that’s just about the most smug, sanctimonious, condescending comment I’ve ever read on here; but now that you have vilified most of the other posters on this forum with your sweeping generalisation, can you please give just one example of where any poster has said  “The Middle East is a foreign wasteland of "camel-riding rag-heads with curved knives"

 

 

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, connda said:

"ragtag army" 
The danger in denigrating an enemy is that it creates the illusion that they are but a minor inconvenience that can be easily subdued by a superior force and swept aside with 2000 lb bombs and "God on it's side." The manner in which the IDF conducts itself in Gaza has consequences, one of which is that those Palestinians who have lost everything have nothing else to lose - so they join Hamas as fighters.

Well, everyone in that neck of the woods are all killing each other in the name of God...which is why I'm an anti-war Buddhist: No god to kill for, no war culture to die for, with perhaps the exception of the Shaolin monks of old.

"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not."
-- Jeremiah 5:21

This is what I wrote.  "The ragtag army that is Hamas today can still cause a lot of headaches and need to be reckoned with." For whatever purpose,  you conveniently quoted a fraction of what I wrote.  If you want to introduce your POV, no need to resort to distortion of my post.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, connda said:

  The Middle East is a foreign wasteland of "camel-riding rag-heads with curved knives" to most of you.  

 

   Is that the same people who stated that Israel won the war ?

(imaginary people ) 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, connda said:

You'd think eh?  But instead, the population is thinking, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." 

 

  How do you know what the population is thinking ?

Some Pro Palestinians claim that the Gaza population has nothing to do with Hamas and some of you claim that Hamas has their full support .

    Which one is it ?

Full support or nothing to do with ?

[Evil Penevil]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:01 AM, placeholder said:

Strange. So, Israel hasn't won that war?

 

Not yet, but it will.

Israel has been fighting for its survival as the homeland of world's Jews every single day since the State of Israel was proclaimed in 1948.  Israel's history is a series of  armed conflicts.  But as long as Hamas and other Palestinian groups have the destruction of Israel and elimination of Israelis as their goal,  there will be no end to the death and destruction.  Israel has no choice but to defend itself and its citizens from constant attack.

 

Here's a list of  the major conflicts Israel has fought since 1948:

• 1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949) 
• Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s) 
• Suez Crisis (October 1956) 
• Six-Day War (June 1967) 
• War of Attrition (1967–1970) 
• Yom Kippur War (October 1973) 
• Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982) 
• 1982 Lebanon War (1982) 
• South Lebanon conflict (1982–2000)
• First Intifada (1987–1993)
• Second Intifada (2000–2005) 
• Israel–Hezbollah War (2006) 
• First Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009) 
• 2012 Gaza War or Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012) 
• 2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014) 
• 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis or Operation Guardian of the Walls (May 2021) 
• Israel–Hamas war or Operation Iron Swords (October 2023–present) 
• 2024 Israel–Hezbollah war or Operation Northern Arrows (September 2024–present)

In addition, the IDF has been involved in dozens of operations outside of major conflicts since 1948.  These range from the airlifting of the Jewish populations of  Arab countries and the rescue of victims of hijackings to assassinations of terrorist leaders and the bombing of nuclear facilities.  

 

Palestinians have faced a string of defeats since 1948 at huge cost to their population. As long as Hamas remains in power and keeps attemptsing to push the Jews into the sea, Palestinians will suffer.  The day they throw out Hamas and recognize Israel's right to exist, life will improve enormously for the Palestinian people.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Or maybe you can share with us Israel's plan to extricate itself from Gaza. It has repeatedly tried to enlist others to relieve it of the burden. So far, no takers.

 

   Its highly likely that the ceasefire will not last and the war will resume once again .

  May as well wait a year or so before making big decisions about Gazas future .

[Nick Carter icp]

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Or maybe you can share with us Israel's plan to extricate itself from Gaza. It has repeatedly tried to enlist others to relieve it of the burden. So far, no takers.

 

 

   Hamas are now having shoot outs with other Gazian militias for control of Gaza .

   There are numerous different Palestinian  factions in Gaza that oppose Hamas .

  Palestinian militia are fighting it out among themselves for  supremacy in Gaza .

 

"Rafah: battles for control between Hamas terrorists and local militias, for control of the supply trucks and the terrain. Hamas wants absolute control over the trucks, it loots and sells the goods, and with the profit rebuilds its government. All the "aid" of the UN and the like refinances terror.

'

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its highly likely that the ceasefire will not last and the war will resume once again .

  May as well wait a year or so before making big decisions about Gazas future .

Even Trump has mentioned it:

 

Trump 'not confident' Israel-Gaza ceasefire will hold
US President Donald Trump says that he's "not confident" that the Gaza ceasefire will hold as it enters it's third day.

Responding to questions from reporter, Trump said: "That's not our war, it's their war. But I'm not confident."

However, he added that Hamas had been "weakened" adding that Gaza looked like a "massive demolition site".

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/ce9n25j375jo