Southport Killer Sentenced to Minimum of 52 Years for 'Pure Evil' Murders

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Not true, why are you lying?

 

 

You are coming across as hating one particular religion, which is a religion of peace. 

 

It is true but to detail that you need to go to the other topics

[James105]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Not true, why are you lying?

 

 

You are coming across as hating one particular religion, which is a religion of peace. 

 

 

This is not a lie.  We know for sure that at least 1400 girls were victims of Pakistani rape gangs in Rotherham.  We know of 1000 in Telford.  We know this was happening in 50+ towns in England.   We do not have the exact numbers due to the cover ups.   If you do the maths and multiply 1000 by 50, what number do you get and would you describe that number as tens of thousands?  

[Neeranam]

38 minutes ago, James105 said:

On the one hand, we have claims that he attended mosques in Belmarsh prison

Claims from whom?

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Claims from whom?

Allegations from multiple sources

 

The Southport stabber Axel Rudakubana attends Mosque in Belmarsh Prison according to multiple sources.

[josephbloggs]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Allegations from Multiple sources

 

The Southport stabber Axel Rudakubana attends Mosque in Belmarsh Prison according to multiple sources.

"Multiple sources". Right. You post a link to a random right wing account on Twitter making the claim with no evidence. And that site has been caught for posting completely false information several times in the past.

Where are these multiple sources of which you speak?

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

"Multiple sources". Right. You post a link to a random right wing account on Twitter making the claim with no evidence. And that site has been caught for posting completely false information several times in the past.

Where are these multiple sources of which you speak?

I gave a link to to it, you don't like it because its right wing and as for evidence, its currently an allegation, its all slowly coming out now did you not notice how much has been hidden and how much is now being revealed such as his attempt to carry out a mass murder in a school but his dad stopped him the week before his successful attack.

[Neeranam]

10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

"Multiple sources". Right. You post a link to a random right wing account on Twitter making the claim with no evidence. And that site has been caught for posting completely false information several times in the past.

Where are these multiple sources of which you speak?

It was Tommy Robinson

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It was Tommy Robinson

 

 

And? He's there so would know right? Its also not only him but a journalist from the Independent heard the same story. What part of multiple sources do you not understand? What's so funny.

[brewsterbudgen]

We're relying on Tommy Robinson for information?  Good grief!

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

We're relying on Tommy Robinson for information?  Good grief!

Goof grief!

 

Another one that missed that the allegations come from multiple sources, not just Tommy who is also at Belmarsh and where there does happen to be a Mosque.

 

Another one  that missed the whole reason of suspicion is because of the vacuum of information that was previously covered up. What would be so surprising if he did attend? Its not like he's not up to new ideologies is it?

 

This morning Keir Starmer implied but did not categorically say that Islamist ideology was not the motivation of the dreadful Axel Rudakubana. The Prime Minister referred several times to the 18-year-old’s heinous crimes as constituting an example of ‘a new threat’ from ‘loners and misfits’, and to Rudakubana having viewed ‘all kinds of material’ online. Much else was left unresolved. Was the man who murdered three little girls in Southport and maimed many others motivated in any way by an Islamist agenda? Are claims that he attended the mosque in Belmarsh prison while held on remand true or false? Whether the material Rudakubana viewed included ‘extreme jihadi videos,’ as Nigel Farage claimed on GB News last night, was also left unanswered.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/when-will-keir-starmer-tell-us-everything-about-southport/

 

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Goof grief!

 

Another one that missed that the allegations come from multiple sources, not just Tommy who is also at Belmarsh and where there does happen to be a Mosque.

 

Another one  that missed the whole reason of suspicion is because of the vacuum of information that was previously covered up. What would be so surprising if he did attend? Its not like he's not up to new ideologies is it?

 

This morning Keir Starmer implied but did not categorically say that Islamist ideology was not the motivation of the dreadful Axel Rudakubana. The Prime Minister referred several times to the 18-year-old’s heinous crimes as constituting an example of ‘a new threat’ from ‘loners and misfits’, and to Rudakubana having viewed ‘all kinds of material’ online. Much else was left unresolved. Was the man who murdered three little girls in Southport and maimed many others motivated in any way by an Islamist agenda? Are claims that he attended the mosque in Belmarsh prison while held on remand true or false? Whether the material Rudakubana viewed included ‘extreme jihadi videos,’ as Nigel Farage claimed on GB News last night, was also left unanswered.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/when-will-keir-starmer-tell-us-everything-about-southport/

 

 

 

Hence the Public Inquiry.  As you know, I think it's shameful that the likes of Tommy and Farage (and the rest of Reform) are doing their level best to ratchet up the hate and make political capital out of the tragedy, with no regard for the victims' families.  But we can agree to disagree on that!

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Hence the Public Inquiry.  As you know, I think it's shameful that the likes of Tommy and Farage (and the rest of Reform) are doing their level best to ratchet up the hate and make political capital out of the tragedy, with no regard for the victims' families.  But we can agree to disagree on that!

The public enquiry is about what led up to the attack and the extreme failures of that. Not what he's up to in Belmarsh now. 

 

As for your claims that Farage or others have no regards for the families? B/S. You should be ashamed of such a slur.

[josephbloggs]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The public enquiry is about what led up to the attack and the extreme failures of that. Not what he's up to in Belmarsh now. 

 

As for your claims that Farage or others have no regards for the families? B/S. You should be ashamed of such a slur.

I agree with him. It is not a slur, it's the truth. Trying to score political capital. Has Farage been to visit the families? Has he done anything to help them? Nope. Just using their tragedy to whip up his followers/disciples/devotees.

[Bkk Brian]

30 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I agree with him. It is not a slur, it's the truth. Trying to score political capital. Has Farage been to visit the families? Has he done anything to help them? Nope. Just using their tragedy to whip up his followers/disciples/devotees.

You would agree with him considering that you first tried to dismiss the allegations by killing the messenger as right wing. Can you provide a link to that truth seeing as that's what you are now claiming it to be?

 

You would also agree with him and his baseless slurs that they have no thoughts for the victims families. Pretty sure if he had of visited them the first things you would be shouting is  "Just using their tragedy to whip up his followers/disciples/devotees"

 

Why do you call those who voted for Farage "disciples/devotees" ?

 

 

 

[James105]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Hence the Public Inquiry.  As you know, I think it's shameful that the likes of Tommy and Farage (and the rest of Reform) are doing their level best to ratchet up the hate and make political capital out of the tragedy, with no regard for the victims' families.  But we can agree to disagree on that!

 

Starmer was so concerned about the victims families that he spent a whole 19 seconds laying a wreath in Southport before scampering back to have celebrity drinks in Downing Street.  He didn't even spend one minute offering his condolences to the families or residents of Southport despite the fact he would have been informed of just how horrific the attacks were on the little kids.   He is a pathetic weasel of a "man".   

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13877291/Keir-Starmer-floral-tribute-children-killed-Southport-knife-attack-Labour-drinks-Downing-Street.html

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Starmer was so concerned about the victims families that he spent a whole 19 seconds laying a wreath in Southport before scampering back to have celebrity drinks in Downing Street.  He didn't even spend one minute offering his condolences to the families or residents of Southport despite the fact he would have been informed of just how horrific the attacks were on the little kids.   He is a pathetic weasel of a "man".   

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13877291/Keir-Starmer-floral-tribute-children-killed-Southport-knife-attack-Labour-drinks-Downing-Street.html

 

You believe the Daily "Fail"?  I don't.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/southport-keir-starmer-princess-prince-prime-minister-b1206821.html

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

You believe the Daily "Fail"?  I don't.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/southport-keir-starmer-princess-prince-prime-minister-b1206821.html

Why, the Mail report was from 21 September 2024, the Standard is from 15 hours ago. 

 

What is it you don't believe? Or just another one who tries to cancel the messenger

[brewsterbudgen]

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why, the Mail report was from 21 September 2024, the Standard is from 15 hours ago. 

 

What is it you don't believe? Or just another one who tries to cancel the messenger

I don't believe the Mail.  It has a well-known anti-Labour agenda.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I don't believe the Mail.  It has a well-known anti-Labour agenda.

Did you even read the "facts" contained? Or blinded by your own lame bias?

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did you even read the "facts" contained? Or blinded by your own lame bias?

 

Much like Rightists don't believe the "legacy" media like the Guardian, BBC etc, I do not believe that "the Mail understands..." and "our sources" are facts.  The Sun and News of the world (RIP) as well.  The gutter/tabloid press in the UK are well-known for this (see The Sun after Hillsborough).

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Much like Rightists don't believe the "legacy" media like the Guardian, BBC etc, I do not believe that "the Mail understands..." and "our sources" are facts.  The Sun and News of the world (RIP) as well.  The gutter/tabloid press in the UK are well-known for this (see The Sun after Hillsborough).

More confirmation that you ignore the facts because of your extreme bias. Facts are facts whether in the Mail, Guardian, or Standard

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

More confirmation that you ignore the facts because of your extreme bias.

 

As I said, they're not "facts".   Perhaps you're not British and think that the Daily Mail is a regular newspaper.  I can assure you it isn't!

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

As I said, they're not "facts".   Perhaps you're not British and think that the Daily Mail is a regular newspaper.  I can assure you it isn't!

I am British but that still makes no difference to the facts that you ignore....lol

 

So what facts/claims are you disputing in the report from the Mail?

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I am British but that still makes no difference to the facts that you ignore....lol

 

So what facts/claims are you disputing in the report from the Mail?

 

 

 

OK, I've read the link again and none of the "facts" stated by @James105 whose post I was responding to, are actually made in the Mail article he linked to!  The Mail just quote the opinion of a "senior Tory MP".  I'll choose to believe the families of the victims, rather than Sir Alec Shelbrooke and Richard Tice!

Can we just agree to disagree?  Some believe all they read in the Mail/Sun and some believe what they read in The Guardian and on the BBC.  

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

 

OK, I've read the link again and none of the "facts" stated by @James105 whose post I was responding to, are actually made in the Mail article he linked to!  The Mail just quote the opinion of a "senior Tory MP".  I'll choose to believe the families of the victims, rather than Sir Alec Shelbrooke and Richard Tice!

Can we just agree to disagree?  Some believe all they read in the Mail/Sun and some believe what they read in The Guardian and on the BBC.  

You've not worked this out yet have you, they are two separate events, the Mail is quoting an event from 21 September 2024 and the Standard has quoted an event from 15 hours ago which is obviously a completely different story and set of facts. I did give you the hint in my first post.

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why, the Mail report was from 21 September 2024, the Standard is from 15 hours ago. 

 

What is it you don't believe? Or just another one who tries to cancel the messenger

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

You've not worked this out yet have you, they are two separate events, the Mail is quoting an event from 21 September 2024 and the Standard has quoted an event from 15 hours ago which is obviously a completely different story and set of facts. I did give you the hint in my first post.

 

 

 

Did you read the article I linked to? “We have had the privilege of several figures offering their condolences directly in the aftermath of the events and we thank them from the bottom of our hearts for their compassion and sincerity....and to the Prime Minister for visiting with us in an un-publicised visit to hear who Elsie was, offer his condolences and reassure us directly in the days following what took place.”

 

The MPs quoted in the Mail article and James' post, suggested Starmer didn't do this. To quote James: "He didn't even spend one minute offering his condolences to the families or residents of Southport despite the fact he would have been informed of just how horrific the attacks were on the little kids.   He is a pathetic weasel of a "man".   

 

Untrue.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Did you read the article I linked to? “We have had the privilege of several figures offering their condolences directly in the aftermath of the events and we thank them from the bottom of our hearts for their compassion and sincerity....and to the Prime Minister for visiting with us in an un-publicised visit to hear who Elsie was, offer his condolences and reassure us directly in the days following what took place.”

 

The MPs quoted in the Mail article and James' post, suggested Starmer didn't do this. To quote James: "He didn't even spend one minute offering his condolences to the families or residents of Southport despite the fact he would have been informed of just how horrific the attacks were on the little kids.   He is a pathetic weasel of a "man".   

 

Untrue.

So confirmed you have not worked out its two entirely different events that were 4 months apart.....

[brewsterbudgen]

Irrelevant.  So, Starmer returned to London after laying flowers the first time, then went back on other occasions.  What "a weasel of a man"!  Cue outrage by the Tories (or just one Tory) and Reform.  It's a nonsense muck-raking gutter-press article, devoid of facts.

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Irrelevant.  So, Starmer returned to London after laying flowers the first time, then went back on other occasions.  What "a weasel of a man"!  Cue outrage by the Tories (or just one Tory) and Reform.  It's a nonsense muck-raking gutter-press article, devoid of facts.

Finally...............hardly irrelevant though, that you missed they are two separate events 4 month apart and so would obviously conflict with each other in the articles, then you top it off with more baseless slurs. .............

[Will B Good]

 

I'm constantly amazed at the sentences given in the UK courts.

 

How can he ever be released?

 

A few years ago now, a gang kicked a young girl to death in a park in England.

 

The leader 18, got 10 years...out when he was 28......I just cannot get my head around that.