I believe the wording is that you are the gender you are at the time of conception. 

As all people are female at the time of conception and change after 6 weeks, woman's prisons are about to get busy.

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

I believe the wording is that you are the gender you are at the time of conception. 

As all people are female at the time of conception and change after 6 weeks, woman's prisons are about to get busy.

Do you think that intact, biological men that identify as women should be allowed in a women's prison or not? 

As far as where to place prisoners, I think the rational, humane approach is to make an evaluation on an individual basis. Obviously with the majority of people who are cisgender there is nothing to consider. But for the minority that isn't, there are a number of things to consider on an individual basis and such decisions do NOT fit into a mindless boilerplate one size fits all system.  I'm not talking about coddling anyone. Just being rational.

The maga fascist now official government policy that transgender people don't even exist is extremely cruel and extremely stupid. 

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As far as where to place prisoners, I think the rational, humane approach is to make an evaluation on an individual basis. Obviously with the majority of people who are cisgender there is nothing to consider. But for the minority that isn't, there are a number of things to consider on an individual basis and such decisions do NOT fit into a mindless boilerplate one size fits all system.  I'm not talking about coddling anyone. Just being rational.

The maga fascist now official government policy that transgender people don't even exist is extremely cruel and extremely stupid. 

Do you think that intact, biological men that identify as women should be allowed in a women's prison or not? I can't believe this is not an easy question. Do the women not have rights? Why should a man that identifies as a women's rights supersede women's rights?  

 

You have to have rules that are black and white. having staff "Psychiatrists" deciding who goes where is just a recipe for disaster. 

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that woke policies trumped real issues under Biden. Now they have been trumped by Trump.

How long have you been waiting to use that one?

11 hours ago, ignore it said:

It'll be alright girls.

 

Look on the bright side of things.

You're going to be very popular in your new jail.

 

14 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Personally I think that a mixed gender prison, with gender separat cells and rest rooms, would be a healthier prison system resulting in less violence and less mental health issues, the loss of freedom is bad enough without the artificial all female or all male confined community, it could help in genuine rehabilitation.

I must be mistaken, but I thought loss of freedom was the point of prison. Up to me any serious crime would result in loss of freedom for life. The rest of us would be better off without criminals being released into society.

I'm also a fan of solitary confinement for anyone convicted of a crime involving injury or death. Non violent crims should not be subject to violence while serving their time.

On 1/25/2025 at 1:07 PM, Yagoda said:

Mental Health Services are provided to all Federal inmates.

You seem to be quite knowledgeable on the subject of Mental Health Services.

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I must be mistaken, but I thought loss of freedom was the point of prison. Up to me any serious crime would result in loss of freedom for life. The rest of us would be better off without criminals being released into society.

I'm also a fan of solitary confinement for anyone convicted of a crime involving injury or death. Non violent crims should not be subject to violence while serving their time.

You must be very upset then that there will be 1,600 more convicted violent criminals on the streets thanks to Trump’s pardons.

On 1/25/2025 at 5:34 AM, Cryingdick said:

Request protective custody in the men's prison. 

 

They dont need it as very popular! and have been for decades

4 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

You must be very upset then that there will be 1,600 more convicted violent criminals on the streets thanks to Trump’s pardons.

 

That was Biden, not Trump

27 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

You seem to be quite knowledgeable on the subject of Mental Health Services.

Im an informed US citizen, how about you?

38 minutes ago, proton said:

 

That was Biden, not Trump

No, Biden was 8,064 pardons 

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, Biden was 8,064 pardons 

 

64 must have been for his family who never committed a crime, honestly. An utter disgrace pardoning Hunter when he is on film many time saying he definitely would not do so. What a liar and an embarrassment. 

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As far as where to place prisoners, I think the rational, humane approach is to make an evaluation on an individual basis. Obviously with the majority of people who are cisgender there is nothing to consider. But for the minority that isn't, there are a number of things to consider on an individual basis and such decisions do NOT fit into a mindless boilerplate one size fits all system.  I'm not talking about coddling anyone. Just being rational.

The maga fascist now official government policy that transgender people don't even exist is extremely cruel and extremely stupid. 

 

Cisgenda is an offensive term, please stop using it, the correct terms are now MALE and FEMALE the rest is mental illness or fantasy.

18 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Cisgenda is an offensive term, please stop using it, the correct terms are now MALE and FEMALE the rest is mental illness or fantasy.

No it isn't. Just because you're acting the sore maga winner, doesn't mean people should actually respect such madness.

Headline should be:

 

"Trump’s Executive Order Sparks Relief Among non Transgender Inmates as Prison Transfers Loom"

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

Headline should be:

 

"Trump’s Executive Order Sparks Relief Among non Transgender Inmates as Prison Transfers Loom"

The left does not care about the non-transgender women, they need to suck it up and take one for the team. 

Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many transgender prisoners exist in the system today? Two? Three? Whatever it is, can it really be that much of a big deal? 

 

Put them in their own ward.  Simple.  I'm pretty sure that could be accomplished. 

There will be a few male inmates welcoming the fresh meat 🙂 why were men housed in a women's prison anyways?  In the unlikely event I got banged up for anything I'd put lipstick on grow my hair and declare my human rights and say I want to go to the women's prison probably much more fun there for a man.

At the end of the day most of them are in there for a serious crimes so I reckon they should shut up whinging and just accept the fact they are biologically male

Probably a polarising point but Trump and that Harry Potter writer have inspired me 🙂

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I must be mistaken, but I thought loss of freedom was the point of prison. Up to me any serious crime would result in loss of freedom for life. The rest of us would be better off without criminals being released into society.

I'm also a fan of solitary confinement for anyone convicted of a crime involving injury or death. Non violent crims should not be subject to violence while serving their time.

Yes, loss of freedom is a correct punishment but with a persons release doesn't mean the end of their punishment. They have lost their abode, relationships, job and savings. They would find it difficult to get another job or be able to rent another abode, they have a permanent criminal record for life, the actual imprisonment is the least of their worries.

 

People sometimes make unwise decisions which also affects their partners and innocent children negatively, even just a serious road accident  or a drunken fight could result in a prison sentence.

 

People change during their lives, the arrogant teenager changes to become a responsible adult and he can again change to commit a criminal act through unfortunate causal events and upon reflection can reorientate himself again. Impermanence and change is the guiding path in life. Nobody should be written off. Prison is meant as a punishment but also as a rehabilitation measure and nobody, with the exception of child killers and dangerous pedophiles, should be denied a second chance.

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Nobody should be written off. Prison is meant as a punishment but also as a rehabilitation measure and nobody, with the exception of child killers and dangerous pedophiles, should be denied a second chance.

 

What about the guys with 17 separate convictions and a dozen stints in prison?  How many second chances should they get before they're simply warehoused to keep society safe?  Not about punishment.  Not about rehabilitation.  Just plain warehousing them, to keep them away from society.

 

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Yes, loss of freedom is a correct punishment but with a persons release doesn't mean the end of their punishment. They have lost their abode, relationships, job and savings. They would find it difficult to get another job or be able to rent another abode, they have a permanent criminal record for life, the actual imprisonment is the least of their worries.

 

People sometimes make unwise decisions which also affects their partners and innocent children negatively, even just a serious road accident  or a drunken fight could result in a prison sentence.

 

People change during their lives, the arrogant teenager changes to become a responsible adult and he can again change to commit a criminal act through unfortunate causal events and upon reflection can reorientate himself again. Impermanence and change is the guiding path in life. Nobody should be written off. Prison is meant as a punishment but also as a rehabilitation measure and nobody, with the exception of child killers and dangerous pedophiles, should be denied a second chance.

Everyone gets multiple chances. 

 

I you allow kids to get away with small crimes they generally just kero moving up to bigger crimes. 

 

A gang-banger can go in and out 20 times for assault, drugs, robberies and whatnot, but poor Joe Bagadoughnuts has one too many on payday, gets pinched on the drive home a d his life is ruined.

I am sure the female inmates will be pleased with this move, they'd been complaining before about it.

 

Female inmates say they fear transgender cellmates and urge Donald Trump to overturn 'unconstitutional policy'

Fleming claimed the Biden administration has been speeding up transfers out of concern Trump will make restrictions once he takes office.

The incoming president shot down an Obama-era guideline that recommended 'housing by gender identity when appropriate,' instead emphasizing 'biological sex as the initial determination for designation,' during his first term in 2018.

Joe Biden later reversed Trump's action.

Fleming claims there are between 1,500 and 2,000 trans female inmates in the federal prison system, which houses around 10,000 women.

In court papers, she claimed there was no way to shield herself in open dorms at the prison in Tallahassee, Florida, where she served part of her term.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14297841/female-prison-inmates-transgender-prisoners-donald-trump.html

The misogynist racists are in charge now.
 

 

On 1/24/2025 at 9:07 PM, Social Media said:

 

A sweeping executive order issued by former President Donald Trump has left hundreds of transgender federal prisoners facing uncertainty and fear. The directive, signed on Trump's first day back in office, mandates that federal prisons classify inmates strictly by biological sex, disregarding gender identity. For transgender inmates, this policy shift means relocation to facilities that match their birth sex, causing widespread panic and concern.  

 

Attorney Moira Meltzer-Cohen, who represents Donna Langan—a transgender woman serving a life sentence in federal prison—voiced grave concerns about the order's implications. "It's going to be incredibly dangerous," she said. Langan, a former member of the neo-Nazi Aryan Republican Army, underwent gender-affirming surgery while incarcerated. Meltzer-Cohen warned of potential violence, saying, "I fear there could be a bloodbath if trans inmates are forced into male prisons."  

 

The executive order declares that only two sexes—male and female—will be recognized in government policy. Spaces designated for women, including bathrooms and prison facilities, will now be determined solely by biological sex. The directive also cuts federal funding for transition-related medical services and bars the use of terms like "gender" in favor of "sex."  

 

An email obtained by DailyMail.com from a federal public defender in Massachusetts highlighted the immediate impact of the policy. The email, written by public defender Sandra Gant, described the panic of a transgender inmate in Minnesota. "Her family reached out in a panic," Gant wrote. "As of this morning, she and others at FCI Waseca have been segregated and told they are being processed for transfer to a men's prison. She is terrified."  

 

Gant called on colleagues to prepare legal challenges to the policy, asking if organizations like the ACLU might be pursuing litigation. "Has anyone prepared to litigate this, or have any insights or advice on challenging this?" she inquired.  

 

The Bureau of Prisons estimates that there are approximately 1,500 transgender women and 750 transgender men in federal custody. With transfers imminent, legal advocates are scrambling to find ways to protect these individuals, who face heightened risks of assault and discrimination in facilities aligned with their birth sex.  

 

The order has drawn starkly polarized reactions. Conservative groups have lauded the policy as a return to "common sense," while transgender advocates view it as an assault on their rights. Meanwhile, Rhonda Fleming, a cisgender female inmate at Carswell Federal Medical Center in Texas, expressed relief over the new policy. Fleming, who had previously filed a lawsuit to remove transgender women from her facility, argued that biological women like herself face stress and fear in shared spaces with trans inmates.  

 

Her lawsuit, however, was dismissed just days before Trump signed the executive order. "What the judge did Wednesday was a farce," Fleming said in an interview. "It was a mockery of justice." She also claimed that some male inmates falsely identify as transgender to gain access to women’s facilities.  

 

Trump’s executive order represents a sharp departure from the policies of the Biden and Obama administrations, which had advanced protections for transgender individuals. The rollback has amplified fears within the transgender community, with many questioning the broader societal implications of these changes. For transgender inmates now facing transfers, the immediate focus remains survival in a system that many believe is ill-equipped to ensure their safety.  

 

Based on a report by Daily Mail 2025-01-25

 

 

We need someone like Trump in many countries.
Specially the UK.

2 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

We need someone like Trump in many countries.
Specially the UK.

No country need a Trump!

On 1/24/2025 at 11:45 PM, SiSePuede419 said:

There are many forms of mental illness.

And no, as of now we can't help you if you don't want help, but that may change under Trump with Involuntary Rendition to Black Ops Torture Facilities. 😀

GITMO has plenty of room - what could be better than life at the beach?

On 1/27/2025 at 1:52 AM, soalbundy said:

Prison is meant as a punishment but also as a rehabilitation measure and nobody, with the exception of child killers and dangerous pedophiles, should be denied a second chance.

I don't want prison to be a rehabilitation measure for any recidivist. Anyone commits a crime after being released should be jailed for life, no parole.

On 1/27/2025 at 12:46 AM, jas007 said:

Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many transgender prisoners exist in the system today? Two? Three? Whatever it is, can it really be that much of a big deal? 

 

Put them in their own ward.  Simple.  I'm pretty sure that could be accomplished. 

Exactly. Pedophiles are segregated, and so can trans be. They could even put the trans with the pedophiles. Lot of nonsense being bandied about on here.