Thailand’s Destination Visa loophole that could cost you

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The DTV is effectively a five-year tourist visa...

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Just like Retirement O(12months' validity, no need of 3 monthly border trip) is the technically One Year tourist visa.

[MangoKorat]

9 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Always a laugh when you hear about different Immigration offices having their own sets of rules and procedures, different from every other office.

That is the one thing that has always baffled me about Thailand - and it applies in other matters.  How can you have a set of rules that can be varied at will?  The same goes for embassies - they each have different requirements for visa applications.

[Scouse123]

6 hours ago, 8OA8 said:

Are the Non-O and DTV both in the same passport?

 

No,

 

What I did is I have a retirement extension based on Non -O plus multi entry.

 

I have a Cambodian Visa as well.

 

I applied online for the DTV. It took three weeks and was granted in an E-visa via email.

 

That kicks in when I decide to use it.

 

So the DTV is granted and dormant until I utilize it.

[Scouse123]

6 hours ago, 8OA8 said:

Are the Non-O and DTV both in the same passport?

 

They don't put a Visa for DTV in your passport.

 

You get an e visa through email, when the immigration looks at your printed out A4, which also contains your photo, you get a six-month stamp.

 

After, I think you are in the computer as a 5 year DTV, but additional back up is to carry a printout for airports and borders of your 5 year E visa from the MFA

[Scouse123]

7 hours ago, flexomike said:

So for my understanding you will now be spending less than 180 days in Thailand total for a calendar year?

 

No,

 

Read the thread, I am not going over it all again.

 

That question is asked and answered.

[Scouse123]

Not or try not to be a rude man,

 

But guys,

 

You've got to read my polite answers to other posters.

 

Another one, asking if I am only spending 180 days in Thailand. So, this for the last time is a DTV thread.

 

Jaysus, I've explained multiple times. Not a tax thread.

[Skeptic7]

Thailand...consistently inconsistent 😂

[Andre0720]

12 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Always a laugh when you hear about different Immigration offices having their own sets of rules and procedures, different from every other office.

But if you do a border run on Day 179, "leaving" Thailand and then re-entering an hour (or less) later - does that count as not being "tax resident" ?

It would look a little off if you "left" the country on 1 Feb and "entered" the country on 1 Feb and then claimed you are not "tax resident" because you were only in the country for 179 days.

(Maybe why Canada uses 183 days to determine if someone is "deemed resident for tax purposes" ?)

Not so.

Canada uses a 183 days residency to determine if a Canadian, paying still income taxes, is eligible or not for free health care.

[MangoKorat]

11 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

except if you leave the country a  few times  a year you cant............which is a  fairly recent change

Would I be correct in saying that if you leave and re-enter, the first 90 day report must be done in person every time?

[Pompeygeezer]

17 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

It just isn't a big deal to do a border hop every six months, it's actually a pleasure for me.

Do you mean you take a little holiday? or are you talking a border run there and back in the same day? cuz i don't see how anyone can think a  same day border run is a pleasure

[Pompeygeezer]

6 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

That is the one thing that has always baffled me about Thailand - and it applies in other matters.  How can you have a set of rules that can be varied at will?  The same goes for embassies - they each have different requirements for visa applications.

Totally agree. it should be the same across the board. its madness they all have their own set of rules.  i thought that was the point of rules that everyone is supposed to follow them.  what's the point of having rules then. cuz the bottom line is the majority of them are not following them

[Scouse123]

29 minutes ago, Pompeygeezer said:

Do you mean you take a little holiday? or are you talking a border run there and back in the same day? cuz i don't see how anyone can think a  same day border run is a pleasure

 

Stay a week in Vietnam or Cambodia.

 

Life is about getting around.

[Sorted2024]

21 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

That wasn't the point.

 

The thread was about DTV and going to immigration to extend it at the immigration office, as opposed to leaving the country and the DTV days count starting afresh.

 

Those guys could be stubborn and make a DTV extension in country difficult with requirements and documents.

 

As usual these days, tax laws got mentioned. I pointed out already in my posts above. I am not repeating myself all over again.

 

Some on this board are obsessed and turn every thread into a tax thread.

Can you repeat that please 

[Pompeygeezer]

13 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Stay a week in Vietnam or Cambodia.

 

Life is about getting around.

Oh yeah, i get that.I just wondered if he actually meant he liked doing a one day border run as I thought that was very strange to like sitting in a minibus all day.

[KhunHeineken]

16 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Life is about getting around.

Until one has mobility issues, due to age. 

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Until one has mobility issues, due to age. 

 

 

TROLL

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Until one has mobility issues, due to age. 

 

 

or mental issues, have you been and had yourself checked out?

[KhunHeineken]

Just now, Scouse123 said:

 

 

TROLL

Not trolling. 

 

It's the main reason Thailand is attractive as a retirement destination, because you do not need to leave the country to extend your visa.  

 

One can retire here and never leave. 

 

Countries that force visa runs, such as Vietnam, do not get many expat retirees, when compared to Thailand, for this very reason.

 

I know some old geezers that can no longer wait in the queue at immigration and have to use an agent.   

 

Age catches up with all of us. 

[Scouse123]

1 minute ago, KhunHeineken said:

Not trolling. 

 

It's the main reason Thailand is attractive as a retirement destination, because you do not need to leave the country to extend your visa.  

 

One can retire here and never leave. 

 

Countries that force visa runs, such as Vietnam, do not get many expat retirees, when compared to Thailand, for this very reason.

 

I know some old geezers that can no longer wait in the queue at immigration and have to use an agent.   

 

Age catches up with all of us. 

 

Certainly caught up with you

[KhunHeineken]

1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

or mental issues, have you been and had yourself checked out?

You are taking it personally.  No need to. 

 

If you are fine doing NOTHING about this tax policy because Somchai at the local TRD Office said you don't have to file, that's your right. 

 

Why troll other members who suspect Somchai has given you the wrong information????

[Scouse123]

4 hours ago, Pompeygeezer said:

Oh yeah, i get that.I just wondered if he actually meant he liked doing a one day border run as I thought that was very strange to like sitting in a minibus all day.

 

 

I use my own 4 X 4 to get to the border. I park up in the military car park.

 

Likewise, I then use prearranged transport in a 4 x 4 to Siem Reap, on my own., I pay $70 each way.

[Scouse123]

3 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

You are taking it personally.  No need to. 

 

If you are fine doing NOTHING about this tax policy because Somchai at the local TRD Office said you don't have to file, that's your right. 

 

Why troll other members who suspect Somchai has given you the wrong information????

 

TROLL

 

Thread is DTV visas

[KhunHeineken]

7 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Certainly caught up with you

I'm not the one doing border runs. 

[Scouse123]

4 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

You are taking it personally.  No need to. 

 

If you are fine doing NOTHING about this tax policy because Somchai at the local TRD Office said you don't have to file, that's your right. 

 

Why troll other members who suspect Somchai has given you the wrong information????

 

 

No need to Somchai me.

 

I can assure you my reading, writing and Thai skills after 28 years are far in excess of yours.

 

Bye

 

TROLL

[Scouse123]

1 minute ago, KhunHeineken said:

I'm not the one doing boarder runs. 

 

 

You mean BORDER??

[KhunHeineken]

1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

No need to Somchai me.

You've Somchai'd yourself. 

[KhunHeineken]

2 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

You mean BORDER??

Yes, pay your taxes, or one day you will be detained at a "border." 

 

When asked why you did not pay tax, you can tell them, "Somchai said I did not have to file." 

[8OA8]

23 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

They don't put a Visa for DTV in your passport.

 

You get an e visa through email, when the immigration looks at your printed out A4, which also contains your photo, you get a six-month stamp.

 

After, I think you are in the computer as a 5 year DTV, but additional back up is to carry a printout for airports and borders of your 5 year E visa from the MFA

Thanks for the explanation 

[8OA8]

23 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

No,

 

What I did is I have a retirement extension based on Non -O plus multi entry.

 

I have a Cambodian Visa as well.

 

I applied online for the DTV. It took three weeks and was granted in an E-visa via email.

 

That kicks in when I decide to use it.

 

So the DTV is granted and dormant until I utilize it.

Thanks! Just just now realised the DTV is not the same as LTR visa which a few friends have recently got