Artificial Intelligence

[madone]

5 hours ago, PomPolo said:

Yeah @madone tried it on a pi, lack of GPU it struggles but can set up a basic standalone GPT.
I have set up proof of concepts especially around video recognition using Nvidia Jetsons before and built a robot with them before, the Jetsons are cool devices and brilliant to practice AI with a little more expensive than the Pi's but if you are into it probably negligable.  Doing a bit of stuff with ESP32's at the moment and Arduino programming, just bought a couple of LoRa's from China those are interesting devices I've got them talking to each other but not hooked up to any IoT stuff just yet.

 

I was just watching a video about using the jetson to set up one of the smaller Deepseek models. I'd love to get something like that going at home. All these folks paranoid about China don't understand what just happened here. 

 

I am a writer focused primarily on case studies for SaaS and cybersecurity. I work with a number of very recognizable firms. 

 

I have been fighting with Chat GPT and Claude to streamline my workflows and so far all they have been is a timesuck -- ignoring instructions and giving really poor repetitive output i cant unsee.

 

For a very brief window yesterday I was able to upload some samples of my work, interview transcripts a style sheet, and a basic prompt to Deepseek. Between timeouts, it blew me away.

now i want my own model to work with

[PomPolo]

5 hours ago, madone said:

I see IoT stuff the flipper Zero and a cardputer to be honest, I'm not a dev, but I have seen them and actually played with the Flipper   

Yeah spot on! I've got a bunch of esp32 M5Stack stuff the Cardputer, StickC plus and just bought a little drone thing for 50 bucks, some cool stuff from those guys

[pelagicpete]

There is a parallel in the gemological world, where plain and ordinary stones, such as sapphires, that have a value but that value can be seriously increased by heat treatment.

Hence a clear stone after heat treatment may turn permanently into a beautiful coloured stone. The key here is 'permanently'. It has developed into an officially acceptable treatment now, after it was proved impossible to stop it, being so widespread.

The difference is marked now by price and heat treated stones have to be labelled as such and they can be tested to prove that they are treated, although the difference to the non professional eye is not obvious.

The system now deals with such 'declared' artificially changed stones in two ways: 

one is the price, they have their own price bands normally and

two is that untreated stones can be declared as such and they command a higher price.

So the possible relevance to AI is that when used it should be declared as such and when a customer is being charged for an AI product he should expect to pay less for it.

This is probably not a definitive solution but may go some way to protect original work and make the new product accepted in the market.

I would like to hear opinions on this!

[IsaanT]

On 1/30/2025 at 4:05 PM, bunnydrops said:

What will the next 50 years bring?

 

My demise.  End of.

[0ffshore360]

3 hours ago, pelagicpete said:

There is a parallel in the gemological world, where plain and ordinary stones, such as sapphires, that have a value but that value can be seriously increased by heat treatment.

Hence a clear stone after heat treatment may turn permanently into a beautiful coloured stone. The key here is 'permanently'. It has developed into an officially acceptable treatment now, after it was proved impossible to stop it, being so widespread.

The difference is marked now by price and heat treated stones have to be labelled as such and they can be tested to prove that they are treated, although the difference to the non professional eye is not obvious.

The system now deals with such 'declared' artificially changed stones in two ways: 

one is the price, they have their own price bands normally and

two is that untreated stones can be declared as such and they command a higher price.

So the possible relevance to AI is that when used it should be declared as such and when a customer is being charged for an AI product he should expect to pay less for it.

This is probably not a definitive solution but may go some way to protect original work and make the new product accepted in the market.

I would like to hear opinions on this!

Interesting analogy .

As with your stones I doubt integrity will survive in the AI market.

IMHO proponents of AI will prefer it become indistinguishable from "original " human output .

Problematic is that reliance on AI will create obsolescence in human education at an ever increasing rate.

If it reaches the level of independent mass self learning the real possibility of self protection will compel the need to reject human input as " interference".

Is it possible while it accesses massive informational resources once it isolates itself the reference data will cease to update because humans  will be "slaves to the machine" and incapable of additional original thought or creativity.

AI is adept in the extreme in assembling archived data output in requested format and context to the degree it appears "intelligent" but is it?

Is more than the unidentified "altered stones" of the  analogy which to the uneducated eye are real but of lesser value ?

Certainly it has the capacity to reduce many more than just menial occupations to the satisfaction of vested interests in voiding the human elements in favor of algorithm driven robots which  suffer less "maintenance" .

Medicaid/ Dental Plan ? Pffft!

Forgetting of course the historic reality the US experienced when similar short interest greed closed local industries  and moved them to places such a s...... China.

Result was unemployment, bankruptcies, housing market crash etc etc.

No going back sorry.  New reality happening in the "civilized " world.

 

 

 

[Denim]

On 1/30/2025 at 2:39 PM, novacova said:

If it gets out of hand then just pull the plug and starve it off electricity, problem solved.

 

They tried that with Skynet and look what happened.

[Celsius]

I asked deepseek to write Kamala Harris word salad for me

 

"You know, when we think about the essence of what it means to truly be in the space of opportunity, it’s not just about the thing itself, but the *idea* of the thing—the interconnectedness of how we move forward in a way that uplifts the collective *and* the individual, because at the end of the day, it’s about the synergy of progress, the momentum of change, and the foundational pillars of what we can achieve when we come together to do the work that needs to be done, but also to reimagine what’s possible in the context of tomorrow’s challenges, today."

 

[novacova]

10 minutes ago, Celsius said:

I asked deepseek to write Kamala Harris word salad for me

 

"You know, when we think about the essence of what it means to truly be in the space of opportunity, it’s not just about the thing itself, but the *idea* of the thing—the interconnectedness of how we move forward in a way that uplifts the collective *and* the individual, because at the end of the day, it’s about the synergy of progress, the momentum of change, and the foundational pillars of what we can achieve when we come together to do the work that needs to be done, but also to reimagine what’s possible in the context of tomorrow’s challenges, today."

 

Gork’s answer on Harris’s artificial intelligence word salad…

 

Gork:“This is a mimicry, not an exact quote, capturing the essence of her style with a dash of humor.“

 

"Think about this: The moment, the time, the very essence of now, converges with our ability to understand the complexity of our challenges, right? So when we talk about what we're here to do, it's about understanding the connectivity of our actions, the way forward, but also, fundamentally, how we've been moving in the past, to inspire where we're going, right? Because at the end of the day, what we're really talking about is leadership, leadership that understands the moment, the time, the essence of now, to actually make a difference in people's lives, right?"

 

Yeah right.

[LosLobo]

On 1/30/2025 at 2:29 PM, bunnydrops said:

Isn't one of the laws of robotics that the more efficient a machine or logarithm is, the less control we have over it?

Ah, I see what happened there, logarithms snuck in when you possibly meant algorithms. Logarithms deal with exponents and scaling , while algorithms are step-by-step procedures for solving problems.