Farage’s Reform UK Surges as Tory Voters Defect in Droves

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

Nonsense.

 

Bangkok is a cosmopolitan city; the census showed that it is home to 567,120 expatriates from Asian countries (including 71,024 Chinese and 63,069 Japanese nationals), 88,177 from Europe, 32,241 from the Americas, 5,856 from Oceania and 5,758 from Africa. Migrants from neighbouring countries include 216,528 Burmese, 72,934 Cambodians and 52,498 Lao.[80] In 2018, numbers show that there are 370,000 international migrants registered with the Department of Employment, more than half of them migrants from Cambodia, Laos, and Myanmar.[78]

 

 

It was you who used the term ‘non-indigenous’ Thais.

 

Millions of people in Bangkok are ‘Chinese-Thai’ they are by definition, non-indigenous.

 

I did provide a link.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, superal said:

and many for " cash in hand " , many worked within the agency of " Check a trade . com " ,  plus the crime rate soared and continues to do so to this day because of unvetted , criminal immigrants . Is there a correlation between the huge spike in UK immigration and the escalating crime rate ? Not rocket science is it ?

No it’s you confusing correlation as causation.

 

[hotandsticky]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

I did provide a link.

 

 

Which was useless.

 

 

Your post was disingenuous, as usual.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Which was useless.

 

 

Your post was disingenuous, as usual.

It wasn’t much use to supporting your statement regarding ‘indigenous Thais’, I’ll give you that.

[MicroB]

23 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

The miners caused the election with blackouts etc then Wilson became PM in the early 70's then led the country to bankruptcy in 1976, then the country had to get bailed out by the IMF.

At no time did I mention that Labour were in power all through the seventies.

 

 

 

 

You said:

 

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Labour has never had any working class roots in my adult lifetime.

 

I'm not even a Labour supporter (card carrying Tory all my voting life), and I know that's wrong. You can rattle loads off:

 

John Prescott; Merchant Navy steward

Dennis Skinner; coal miner

George Galloway; worked in the Michelin tyre factory

Alan Johnson; Postie

Angela Rayner; Care Worker

Roy Hattersley; Stel worker

Eric Varley; Iron works

Eric Heffer; Joiner

Tony Banks; clerk

Bob Cryer; school teacher

James Callaghan; Inland Revenue Clerk

Betty Boothroyd; secretary

Donald Dewar; Sales manager

John Reid; builder, oil owrker, door to door insurance salesman

 

 

Not forgetting those MPs from very modest backgrounds such as John McConnell, Neil Kinnock, Claire Short, Frank Field

 

 

[superal]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No it’s you confusing correlation as causation.

 

No need to be pedantic . OK , for your benefit I will call it causation and you know its true that the UK crime rates have soared over the last few years because of the uncontrolled immigration that brings with it many criminals  . Or do you have evidence to prove me wrong ?

Why does the English coastguard pick up these invaders , once they reach the English section of the English channel ?

No wonder there are so many rubber boat trips . It's  welcoming / encouraging illegal invaders . The British navy should make a blockade and tow the rubber boats back to France .

[NoshowJones]

45 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

 

 

You said:

 

 

I'm not even a Labour supporter (card carrying Tory all my voting life), and I know that's wrong. You can rattle loads off:

 

John Prescott; Merchant Navy steward

Dennis Skinner; coal miner

George Galloway; worked in the Michelin tyre factory

Alan Johnson; Postie

Angela Rayner; Care Worker

Roy Hattersley; Stel worker

Eric Varley; Iron works

Eric Heffer; Joiner

Tony Banks; clerk

Bob Cryer; school teacher

James Callaghan; Inland Revenue Clerk

Betty Boothroyd; secretary

Donald Dewar; Sales manager

John Reid; builder, oil owrker, door to door insurance salesman

 

 

Not forgetting those MPs from very modest backgrounds such as John McConnell, Neil Kinnock, Claire Short, Frank Field

 

 

I actually meant having any interest in the working class after being elected as MP's, government ministers etc.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

30 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

I actually meant having any interest in the working class after being elected as MP's, government ministers etc.

 

Exactly the point. Labour might have members, and even MP’s, that have working class roots, but they seem to despise the working class, especially the white male working class, unless, of course, they are trade union members.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, superal said:

No need to be pedantic . OK , for your benefit I will call it causation and you know its true that the UK crime rates have soared over the last few years because of the uncontrolled immigration that brings with it many criminals  . Or do you have evidence to prove me wrong ?

Why does the English coastguard pick up these invaders , once they reach the English section of the English channel ?

No wonder there are so many rubber boat trips . It's  welcoming / encouraging illegal invaders . The British navy should make a blockade and tow the rubber boats back to France .

You still have demonstrated the link.

 

https://theconversation.com/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased-228797

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Exactly the point. Labour might have members, and even MP’s, that have working class roots, but they seem to despise the working class, especially the white male working class, unless, of course, they are trade union members.

 

 

So the increase in the minimum wage, spending on education and health, all has a sub clause ‘don’t give any of this to white working class men’.

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So the increase in the minimum wage, spending on education and health, all has a sub clause ‘don’t give any of this to white working class men’.

 

 

 

can you please provide a link to substantiate this claim 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

can you please provide a link to substantiate this claim 

 

 

It’s the logical conclusion of your your sullen grievance:

 

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

they seem to despise the working class, especially the white male working class,

Clearly the policies enacted which will directly improve the lives of working class people also improve the lives of the white working class men.

 

Those in need of sullen race based grievances might disagree.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s the logical conclusion of your your sullen grievance:

 

Clearly the policies enacted which will directly improve the lives of working class people also improve the lives of the white working class men.

 

Those in need of sullen race based grievances might disagree.

 

Oh, so Mr Pedantic who calls for evidence and links to every statement or opinion that anyone makes, can’t substantiate with evidence, a totally false claim that he has made.

 

Instead, you try to blame me for a conclusion that you have come to, which was not what I said at all.

 

Please provide evidence of this statement you made  “So the increase in the minimum wage, spending on education and health, all has a sub clause ‘don’t give any of this to white working class men’.”  ….. if you can’t then please retract it, and apologise for making false claims.

 

 

 

 

[superal]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You still have demonstrated the link.

 

https://theconversation.com/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased-228797

Cos many crimes have been declassified . Police no longer attend shoplifting incidents as an example . Knife crime is rife , phone thefts have doubled in the last 5 years , 80,000 + per year . 

You need to get out more or buy a TV to keep up to speed with the latest news .

[Yagoda]

For Brits please, how do the values of Reform UK differ from the Tories and which is more in line with the MAGA precepts?

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 minutes ago, superal said:

Cos many crimes have been declassified . Police no longer attend shoplifting incidents as an example . Knife crime is rife , phone thefts have doubled in the last 5 years , 80,000 + per year . 

You need to get out more or buy a TV to keep up to speed with the latest news .

 

Good to see a comment from someone that knows something about the UK, and what is going on there.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Oh, so Mr Pedantic who calls for evidence and links to every statement or opinion that anyone makes, can’t substantiate with evidence, a totally false claim that he has made.

 

Instead, you try to blame me for a conclusion that you have come to, which was not what I said at all.

 

Please provide evidence of this statement you made  “So the increase in the minimum wage, spending on education and health, all has a sub clause ‘don’t give any of this to white working class men’.”  ….. if you can’t then please retract it, and apologise for making false claims.

 

 

 

 

Retracted, no such subclause exists. 
 

Now let’s see you produce evidence of your claimed Labour Government despising white working class males.

 

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see you produce evidence of the Labour Government despising white working class males.

 

 

 

So you cannot provide evidence for a completely false claim that you made, but still have not retracted it and apologised for it; but you now seem to have developed reading problems as well.

 

I did not say the Labour government despised the working class, I said they had members, and even MP’s, that seem to despise the working class. Do you understand the difference in what I said, and the words you are now trying to put in my mouth ?

 

Now please apologise for the totally false statement that you made.

 

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

46 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

For Brits please, how do the values of Reform UK differ from the Tories and which is more in line with the MAGA precepts?

Well the Tories promised to stop illegals, leave the EU, and counter Islam terrorists.

But they just toed the New World Order guidelines and let it all (multiculturalism and submitting to Islam) still happen.

 

Reform makes the same promises but as yet, hasn't had the chance to let us see if they are really NWO.

 

So the difference is "corrupt Tory liars" Vs "unknowns"

 

Quite frankly I don't understand why all western governments see advantage in diluting their populations with uneducated barbarians and destroying the nuclear family (man+woman+kids), but it's the path they have all taken.

[pegman]

On 2/8/2025 at 3:22 AM, John Drake said:

 

As someone on the outside judging from afar, it appears that it is no longer electorally possible to fix the UK's problems. Muslims have already achieved critical mass. They aren't going to let loose of control over the cities and their political party, Labor. In fact, from many of the public pronouncements I see from their leaders, they intend to advance, multiply, and eject the natives from control of their own land. 

Muslims make up 6% of the UK. Although the Yanks are controlled by a 2.4% rump minority. Whatever the polls are suggesting the fact is Labour will be governing for just short of the next 4.5 years. An eternity in politics but you would never know it from reading England's yellow journalism tabloids.