Russian Airline Flight Makes Emergency Landing at BKK After Circling for 3 Hours

[JoseThailand]

1 minute ago, Blueman1 said:

Modern aircraft don't even have the capability to dump fuel......WHAT ????

 

Good morning sir

[Moonlover]

5 hours ago, PomPolo said:

Don't understand why not just fly to Russia and your going to have just as many problems as if you were landing in Swampy, just wasted a bunch of fuel and caused the environment in Bangkok even more problems.  Unless the pilots actually agree also that airport/airplane safety in Russia is totally sht.

You're suggesting that they should have flown all the way to Moscow with the nose gear doors open and the nose gear (possibly) not secure? 

 

Not a chance of them doing that!

[neeray]

Just now, milesinnz said:

I wonder if Thai maintenance will break sanctions to repair the plane - the US will have read this news as well 😉 ...

Interesting thought, or dilemma.

[Liverpool Lou]

31 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Boeing has to when it builds the planes.

 

They build planes tailored to customers' requirements. A Russian airline obviously didn't order that option

What makes you think that (a) any airline would not order that facility on that model (if it is actually an option on that model and not standard equipment) and (b) it is "obvious" that Aeroflot didn't order it?

[Captain Flack]

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[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, ujayujay said:

Nonsense! Never heard of the IATA? No aircraft can be operated without the approval of this authority. This applies to all service providers in aviation!

Thailand has a checkered past in it's aviation history, especially where maintenance and log-book keeping are concerned.

[JoseThailand]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What makes you think that (a) any airline would not order that facility on that model (if it is actually an option on that model and not standard equipment) and (b) it is "obvious" that Aeroflot didn't order it?

 

Maybe because it's cheaper? And it is certainly an option. It's not part of the standard 777 configuration. Some 777s have it, some don't.

[Liverpool Lou]

9 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Maybe because it's cheaper? And it is certainly an option. It's not part of the standard 777 configuration. Some 777s have it, some don't.

All 777-300s are manufactured with fuel dumping facilities which is an FAA requirement for those planes.

[JoseThailand]

7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

All 777-300s are manufactured with fuel dumping facilities which is an FAA requirement for those planes.

 

Only 777-300 ER (Extended Range) have it. In any case, there must've been a good reason for the pilots not to use it. It was not an immediate emergency, in which case the standard action is to burn off fuel.

 

Oh those armchair pilots. Geez.

[thai006]

So this is not an emergency if you can circle for 3 hours 😂😂😂

[Georgealbert]

2 minutes ago, thai006 said:

So this is not an emergency if you can circle for 3 hours 😂😂😂

Really! 

So you think that landing with a defective front landing gear, in a fully loaded 777, the pilot should not declare an emergency.
 

What do you suggest, attempt the landing without emergency vehicles on standard and have nothing prepared. Then if something goes wrong, it is too late.

 

Clearly no idea about airport emergency response!

[VBer]

7 hours ago, PomPolo said:

Don't understand why not just fly to Russia and your going to have just as many problems as if you were landing in Swampy

without retracted gear airplane is not capable to fly in a cruising  speed and height, so they could not fly as far as Moscow.

[Jingthing]

I'm curious. 

I think if that plane was to land outside a "friendly" to Putin country that it would be seized. Obviously, Thailand is friendly. With official maintenance cut off they've been repairing such planes by cannibalizing planes they do have.

So my question is this -- does Thailand provide repair services for such "sanctioned" planes from Russia? 

[orchidfan]

10 hours ago, Moriarty said:

Someone probably missed the nose gear pin pre departure . Why not jettison fuel rather than fly around for 3 hours ? 😳

Agreed.

the 777 is equipped to jettison fuel inflight the achieve correct landing weight.

my guess is that they took a few hours trouble shooting the problem, communicating with their own home based maintenance team to try to sort it out before making a landing or continuing on.

[impulse]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Now why would Trump lift the sanctions, when America is selling oil and LPG into Europe like never before?

 

America is not the only country with sanctions on Russia.

 

Wishful thinking.

 

I'm sure Trump is getting a lot of pressure from US airlines who are losing business because they can't fly over Russkie airspace. 

 

That costs time and fuel that Russkie friendly countries' airlines don't have to spend.  Trump's not big on conceding business to competitor nations.

 

[orchidfan]

9 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Modern aircraft don't even have the capability to dump fuel

As I recall, Airbus don't, Boeing do.

[donmuang37]

10 hours ago, Moriarty said:

Someone probably missed the nose gear pin pre departure . Why not jettison fuel rather than fly around for 3 hours ? 😳

Jettisoning fuel can cause great pollution than flying around for 3 hours and some countries have restrictions.

[digger70]

3 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Only if they flew to the US

I don't Care ,they should  if they fly/operate out of their country.

[steven100]

possibly brake failure .... it happens quite often here   

[Airwolf]

Most of these planes were effectively "stolen" from Western leasing companies.

Under normal aviation safety regulations, airlines must provide up-to-date maintenance logs and use certified parts from approved manufacturers.

They obviously, can't. 
 

[Samh]

6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Even more stupid to accuse someone of being pretty stupid for asking the question when the plane can dump fuel.

https://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/12/pictures-of-saudi-arabian-boeing-777-fuel-dump/#google_vignette

 

Saudi 777 dumping fuel.

 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

I'm sure Trump is getting a lot of pressure from US airlines who are losing business because they can't fly over Russkie airspace. 

 

That costs time and fuel that Russkie friendly countries' airlines don't have to spend.  Trump's not big on conceding business to competitor nations.

 

Do you have a link for that, or is it just wishful thinking?

 

Given the paranoia of the Russian government, I would not want to be on an aircraft in Russian airspace anyway.

 

Perhaps you have forgotten MH17 and KAL007.

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Do you have a link for that, or is it just wishful thinking?

 

Given the paranoia of the Russian government, I would not want to be on an aircraft in Russian airspace anyway.

 

Perhaps you have forgotten MH17 and KAL007.

 

Did that stop China (or Thailand or SEA) bound US flights from the west coast from overflying Russia?   I can't count the number of times I've flown over Russia on the way from LA, SF, Seattle, Vancouver and Anchorage.  Not any more...

 

Euro airlines are also screaming bloody murder because they're being undercut by airlines that can overfly Russia to SEA.  That cuts the flight time and fuel use.

 

[3NUMBAS]

The tyres are bald due to no spares 

[gravity101]

9 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

It depends on the configuration

Sorry. That's so wrong. ALL B777 have it, it's mandated.

[JoseThailand]

35 minutes ago, gravity101 said:

Sorry. That's so wrong. ALL B777 have it, it's mandated.

 

Sorry to say that but you are wrong. The standard (non-Extended Range) versions of the 777 do not have a fuel dump system.

[sabai-dee-man]

8 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What was so bad about the Moscow to Bangkok leg?

 

No in-flight entertainment, and drunk/loud Russians. On the upside, the most comfortable and spacious seat ever. (Russian make of plane, but can't remember what.)

[HK MacPhooey]

10 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Russian airlines don't need to conform with FAA requirements

But they need to comply with IATA regulations to maintain their ability to fly on international routes and an IATA inspector or even local regulatory authority can carry out an inspection at  an international airport and ground an aircraft if it fails to meet international requirements - even a sanctioned nation would want to avoid that

[Autonuaq]

the interesting question is more why the Thai allow possible unsafe airplanes to enter the Thai airspace. Russian airplanes are now known as that they have nor access to genuine certified parts and the needed maintenance. Allowing to have this kind of Airplanes to enter Thai airspace that is asking the gods for problems and beging them for accidents to happen.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Did that stop China (or Thailand or SEA) bound US flights from the west coast from overflying Russia?   I can't count the number of times I've flown over Russia on the way from LA, SF, Seattle, Vancouver and Anchorage.  Not any more...

 

Euro airlines are also screaming bloody murder because they're being undercut by airlines that can overfly Russia to SEA.  That cuts the flight time and fuel use.

 

I asked you for a link. Obviously you don't have one.

 

I've only flown over Russia once, Tokyo to Schiphol. I remember thinking if something goes wrong. help is a long way away, and it looked really cold.