BREAKING NEWS Trump Signals Potential Meeting with Putin in Saudi Arabia Amid Ukraine War Talks

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

And who will do the negotiating or haven't you thought this through yet.

There’s plenty of options, a whole in fact.

 

But let’s go to that word ‘negotiations’.

 

Trump has already stated his view that aligns perfectly with Putin’s demands - color me shocked.

 

That’s not a negotiation, that’s Trump delivering for Putin - again.

 

 

 

 

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s plenty of options, a whole in fact.

 

But let’s go to that word ‘negotiations’.

 

Trump has already stated his view that aligns perfectly with Putin’s demands - color me shocked.

 

That’s not a negotiation, that’s Trump delivering for Putin - again.

 

 

 

 

Plenty of options? Well what are they? As for Putin's demands exactly what are they? Perhaps you can post these for us all to peruse using cited sources. So far all your posting is your own dogmatic opinions.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Plenty of options? Well what are they? As for Putin's demands exactly what are they? Perhaps you can post these for us all to peruse using cited sources. So far all your posting is your own dogmatic opinions.

Not that I expect you to accept any of this as credible evidence of Putin’s demands:

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-west-needs-find-way-work-with-russia-2024-06-14/

 

[Gecko123]

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, United Kingdom, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#:~:text=On December 5%2C 1994 the,a preamble and six paragraphs.

 

I wonder if Trump even knows about this commitment.

 

No agreement between just Trump and Putin will result in lasting security for either Ukraine or Western Europe. Talk about short-sighted thinking. And to think you can unilaterally "negotiate" a peace agreement without Ukraine or Western European powers having a say in the matter. Talk about arrogance and entitlement.

 

America had better hope it never needs its allies to hang in there during its darkest hour because the list of countries the US has bailed out on militarily is getting longer and longer.

[Denim]

John Bolton hits the nail on the head

 

 

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not that I expect you to accept any of this as credible evidence of Putin’s demands:

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-west-needs-find-way-work-with-russia-2024-06-14/

 

Yep. These have always been Putin demands. It's not called negotiation for nothing. Let's see what happens rather flying into the usual anti-Trump rhetoric so prevalent on this forum from the bitter Biden/Harris/election losers fan boys. I doubt Ukraine will be demilitarized but elections in Ukraine will need to be held, NATO is off the cards (for now) and Putin will keep the majority of territory captured but will need to agree to no expansionism. These will be some of the negotiating points. Again it's a negotiation and you like the rest of the neigh sayers on here should be hoping that piece can be initiated. Biden did nothing. Didn't even get on the phone to Putin. Everyone knew that Russia was going to invade and Biden with his neo-con, war mongering mates allowed it to happen.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Plenty of options? Well what are they? As for Putin's demands exactly what are they? Perhaps you can post these for us all to peruse using cited sources. So far all your posting is your own dogmatic opinions.

With trump who needs options?he’s going in to (negotiations) allready giving the guy who (for real) empty’s his prisons and asylums arms the inmates to rape kill and pillage his neighbor every thing he wants.heck it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the dolt announced he’s going to take us out of NATO.he might wait a bit on that one tho.can you possibly imagine the rejoicing going on in the kremlin?heck just look at how his (negotiations) with N Korea turned out they are still a cranking out nukes like flap jacks!the absolute cherry on top for putin is tulsi gabbard in charge of national security heck putins been protecting her pal Snowden the guy who spilled the beans to our enemies…….yup it’s party time in the kremlin and N Korea.

[riclag]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

So positive, as ever.

The left is upset with Trump even mentioning the name Putin !

When I was growing it was cold war 

hatred, USA & USSR .Later on someone had the nuggets to say why does it have to be that way!

 

Truth be told the war mongers been poking the bear ever since Reagan & Gorbachev ended the cold war.

 

 

 

[Tug]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

The left is upset with Trump even mentioning the name Putin !

When I was growing it was cold war 

hatred, USA & USSR .Later on someone had the nuggets to say why does it have to be that way!

 

Truth be told the war mongers been poking the bear ever since Reagan & Gorbachev ended the cold war.

 

 

 

Ya don’t say……and what pray tell what was it that had us so concerned about Russia and just why was NATO created???why as you know perfectly well it was to stop Russian aggression and expansion……..I don’t know about you but that’s awfully aggressive and expansionist putins war of conquest and extermination humm?

[scottiejohn]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well Trump is already approving land grabs elsewhere.

 

 

He is Neville Chamberlain in an Uncle Sam overcoat!

[scottiejohn]

17 minutes ago, riclag said:

the war mongers

Are Russia, Iran, North Korea and probably China mixed in with all the terrorist organisations they support!

[scottiejohn]

4 hours ago, RayC said:

 

In that case, perhaps Europe should move towards aligning its' economic and foreign policy objectives more closely with China and/or India rather than the US.

The way Trump is <deleted> up the world going that might be the only workable solution!

[Jingthing]

Now that's it's clear that Musk - Trump are going to rape Ukraine, I think it's time for Ukraine to throw the Hail Mary pass that I will not mention (but many will understand). That would be a game changer.

[scottiejohn]

54 minutes ago, riclag said:

Truth be told the war mongers been poking the bear ever since Reagan & Gorbachev ended the cold war.

When did Putin's propaganda machine send you that message to be promulgated?

[mogandave]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He’ll give Putin whatever Putin wants.

So the whole of Ukraine and Poland will be absorbed by Russia?

[metisdead]

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[mogandave]

2 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, United Kingdom, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#:~:text=On December 5%2C 1994 the,a preamble and six paragraphs.

 

I wonder if Trump even knows about this commitment.

 

No agreement between just Trump and Putin will result in lasting security for either Ukraine or Western Europe. Talk about short-sighted thinking. And to think you can unilaterally "negotiate" a peace agreement without Ukraine or Western European powers having a say in the matter. Talk about arrogance and entitlement.

 

America had better hope it never needs its allies to hang in there during its darkest hour because the list of countries the US has bailed out on militarily is getting longer and longer.

Did Putin move on Ukraine during Trump’s watch? 

 

No. 

[mogandave]

Will the left not be happy until every Ukrainian is dead?

 

Why did the left not seem to care when Putin actually took Donbas and Crimea? 

 

Remember the “Russian reset” 

 

Remember the ‘80s calling and wanting their foreign policy back? 

 

Remember Obama on a hot mic saying: tell Vladamere to give me some space until after the election, and I’ll cancel the missile defence? 

 

Now it’s all Trump’s fault. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Yep. These have always been Putin demands. It's not called negotiation for nothing. Let's see what happens rather flying into the usual anti-Trump rhetoric so prevalent on this forum from the bitter Biden/Harris/election losers fan boys. I doubt Ukraine will be demilitarized but elections in Ukraine will need to be held, NATO is off the cards (for now) and Putin will keep the majority of territory captured but will need to agree to no expansionism. These will be some of the negotiating points. Again it's a negotiation and you like the rest of the neigh sayers on here should be hoping that piece can be initiated. Biden did nothing. Didn't even get on the phone to Putin. Everyone knew that Russia was going to invade and Biden with his neo-con, war mongering mates allowed it to happen.

OK so you accept Trump is going to give Putin exactly what he demands.

 

Appeaseniks are thick on the right hand side of the grounds these days.

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Will the left not be happy until every Ukrainian is dead?

 

Why did the left not seem to care when Putin actually took Donbas and Crimea? 

 

Remember the “Russian reset” 

 

Remember the ‘80s calling and wanting their foreign policy back? 

 

Remember Obama on a hot mic saying: tell Vladamere to give me some space until after the election, and I’ll cancel the missile defence? 

 

Now it’s all Trump’s fault. 

 

If Ukrainians want to fight for their liberty why are you, Trump and his supporters so keen to hand it to Putin?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

42 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Did Putin move on Ukraine during Trump’s watch? 

 

No. 

Did Putin illegally invade Ukraine?

[Chomper Higgot]

48 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So the whole of Ukraine and Poland will be absorbed by Russia?

If that’s what Putin wants, that’s precisely what Trump will agree to.

 

 

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If Ukrainians want to fight for their liberty why are you, Trump and his supporters so keen to hand it to Putin?

 

 

Oh, I am happy for the war to continue to the last Ukrainian. 

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did Putin illegally invade Ukraine?

Yes. 

 

Why did you not care when he did?