Elon Musk Urges US to 'delete' Federal Agencies in Government Overhaul

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You don't read well. One of Elon's staff still holding his day job as a CEO of a software company. Flashing red lights for conflict of interest. Try harder to understand simple terminology. 

How is being a CEO of a software company a conflict of interest? 

 

That you seem to be unable to answer a simple question, yet are so condescending is amusing, albeit a bit sad. 

[SiSePuede419]

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But you're not going to catch many 1%ers evading taxes, you'll just catch a bunch of small business owners. 

Ah, ha!

Now you're already discovering a basic flaw in taxing income and not assets.

Rich people don't have incomes.

 

They're bums.

 

They don't touch product.

 

They make phone calls and have meetings and go to ketamine parties on yachts.

 

C'mon. 

 

Don't you know anything about how rich TechBros live?

 

No income, no income taxes.

 

Billionaires have assets that they borrow against.

Loans are not income.

They pay back the loans with more shares of their assets.

It's a loophole in the income tax model.

And rich people don't want to change that.

Bernie Sanders does.

You've been duped by Billionaires. 😘

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How is being a CEO of a software company a conflict of interest? 

 

That you seem to be unable to answer a simple question, yet are so condescending is amusing, albeit a bit sad. 

Not difficult to understand conflict of interest if you not so desperate to defend Musk's action. Civil servants and elected official (not Elon) are often bound by tight disclosure requirements an ethics guidelines designed to curb conflict of interest and them from profiting from their work. Even the White House's spokeperson acknowledged that there are conflict of interest and expect Elon to monitor and address the conflicts 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Ah, ha!

Now you're already discovering a basic flaw in taxing income and not assets.

Rich people don't have incomes.

 

They're bums.

 

They don't touch product.

 

They make phone calls and have meetings and go to ketamine parties on yachts.

 

C'mon. 

 

Don't you know anything about how rich TechBros live?

 

No income, no income taxes.

 

Billionaires have assets that they borrow against.

Loans are not income.

They pay back the loans with more shares of their assets.

It's a loophole in the income tax model.

And rich people don't want to change that.

Bernie Sanders does.

You've been duped by Billionaires. 😘

Why did you snip my post? Again, 

 

Are you against using AI to find people with money they have illegally and ferreting out tax evaders? 

 

Do you Just want to hire more people and let them work from home? 

 

A lot of Republicans would support a flat tax or some-such, it's the left that is against it. 

 

I say set up an AI program that identifies returns that are suspect. 

 

But you're not going to catch many 1%ers evading taxes, you'll just catch a bunch of small business owners. 

 

Just change the pay structure at the IRS such that they get a base pay of $30K and 10% of the fraud they recover. 

 

 

The top 1% of wage earners pay 40.4% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 5% of wage earners pay 61.0% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 10% of wage earners pay 72.0% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 25% of wage earners pay 87.2% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 50% of wage earners pay 97% of the total federal income taxes paid

The bottom 50% of wage earners pay 3% of the total federal income taxes paid

 

Bernie Sanders is a fool, and taxing assets is moronic. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Not difficult to understand conflict of interest if you not so desperate to defend Musk's action. Civil servants and elected official (not Elon) are often bound by tight disclosure requirements an ethics guidelines designed to curb conflict of interest and them from profiting from their work. Even the White House's spokeperson acknowledged that there are conflict of interest and expect Elon to monitor and address the conflicts 

I understand what a conflict of interest is.

 

Again, how is being a CEO of a software company a conflict of interest? 

 

That you are still unable to answer that simple question and yet still double-down pretending you know that you are talking about is even sadder. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I understand what a conflict of interest is.

 

Again, how is being a CEO of a software company a conflict of interest? 

 

That you are still unable to answer that simple question and yet still double-down pretending you know that you are talking about is even sadder. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Data are goldmine for corporations. These are taxpayer personal data. They can be used for target advertising, product development, website, app optimization, personalization or even sell the data to thrid parties as a revenue stream. But not to worry as Elon will self policed any conflict of interest. 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Data are goldmine for corporations. These are taxpayer personal data. They can be used for target advertising, product development, website, app optimization, personalization or even sell the data to thrid parties as a revenue stream.

I understand all of that, and it is all true. But it does not make being being a CEO of a software company a conflict of interest. 

 

You seem to be confusing conflicts of interest with participating in blatant criminal activity. If what you are saying is that a smart IT guy with access to the system can steal data and use it for personal gain, that is true, but it's still not a conflict of interest. 

 

Any smart IT guy with access to the system, of which there are many, could do the same thing. 

 

Just now, Eric Loh said:

But not to worry as Elon will self policed any conflict of interest. 

 

I am not concerned that Elon is going to steal data and sell it. You are, I get it. 

 

But there will be issues that are conflicts that I expect will be identified. Everything seems to be pretty out in the open so far. 

 

You think Elon and Trump are stupid, greedy and evil. We disagree on that. 

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I understand all of that, and it is all true. But it does not make being being a CEO of a software company a conflict of interest. 

 

You seem to be confusing conflicts of interest with participating in blatant criminal activity. If what you are saying is that a smart IT guy with access to the system can steal data and use it for personal gain, that is true, but it's still not a conflict of interest. 

 

Any smart IT guy with access to the system, of which there are many, could do the same thing. 

 

 

I am not concerned that Elon is going to steal data and sell it. You are, I get it. 

 

But there will be issues that are conflicts that I expect will be identified. Everything seems to be pretty out in the open so far. 

 

You think Elon and Trump are stupid, greedy and evil. We disagree on that. 

If so, Elon will have no problem submitting his conflict of interest report to Congress which was due on 15 Feb. and since passed. 

[SLOWHAND225]

51 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Data are goldmine for corporations. These are taxpayer personal data. They can be used for target advertising, product development, website, app optimization, personalization or even sell the data to thrid parties as a revenue stream. But not to worry as Elon will self policed any conflict of interest. 

Theres not a single thing on your tax return that I can't find in 5 min. on the net with nothing more than some basic info.

Thats just more hand wringing from the democraps and rinos

[SLOWHAND225]

2 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Yes, so very true! 

 

It's amazing that you know that to be "true".

 

Darn those immigrants raising the prices on eggs, housing, insurance, dental work, etc.

 

Wait. 

 

Those were rich Americans raising those prices.

 

Immigrants don't own large corporations or real estate.

 

Those are Americans doing that.

 

Nevermind.

 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

Sucker.

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭

The only sucker here is you, you should ask for a refund on the money spent on your education if thats all you got from that post. Maybe simple english is difficult for you, I have no idea. What I do know is its not possible to dumb it down any further for you.

You have a habit of replying to posts and talking about things that nobody but you said. Reading your posts is just like watching just like watching a cnn edited video of an interview alongside the origional.

Show me where I talked about immigrants raising prices, you can't because I didn't. Like most of your post you just make stuff up

 

[Yellowtail]

50 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If so, Elon will have no problem submitting his conflict of interest report to Congress which was due on 15 Feb. and since passed. 

Elon serves at the pleasure of the President. Has the President asked Elon to submit a conflict-of-interest report to Congress? 

 

[Eric Loh]

49 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Elon serves at the pleasure of the President. Has the President asked Elon to submit a conflict-of-interest report to Congress? 

 

He wouldn’t dare. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Theres not a single thing on your tax return that I can't find in 5 min. on the net with nothing more than some basic info.

Thats just more hand wringing from the democraps and rinos

Nonsense 

[SLOWHAND225]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Nonsense 

 

You're correct.  I couldn't anymore but I have several friends that still can.

DM me you're full name and the last state you lived in or you're last street address or any address that you've lived at for that matter or a vehicle license number. 
Its scary what can be found.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

 

You're correct.  I couldn't anymore but I have several friends that still can.

DM me you're full name and the last state you lived in or you're last street address or any address that you've lived at for that matter or a vehicle license number. 
It’s scary what can be found.

We are talking about IRS data not my vehicle license number.
 

Do you know that it’s a criminal act for wilful unauthorized disclosure, access or inspection of computerised and also hard copies of tax returns. The punishment upon conviction can be fines and/or prison terms. 

"

[Yellowtail]

27 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He wouldn’t dare. 

So, what's with the phony 15-Feb deadline you made up? 

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, what's with the phony 15-Feb deadline you made up? 

Also a letter of demand to the White House. You wouldn’t find that demand dateline from Fox. They wouldn’t dare also. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Also a letter of demand to the White House. You wouldn’t find that demand dateline from Fox. They wouldn’t dare also. 

A letter of demand from who? 

[gamb00ler]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

The top 1% of wage earners pay 40.4% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 5% of wage earners pay 61.0% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 10% of wage earners pay 72.0% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 25% of wage earners pay 87.2% of the total federal income taxes paid

The top 50% of wage earners pay 97% of the total federal income taxes paid

The bottom 50% of wage earners pay 3% of the total federal income taxes paid

 

Bernie Sanders is a fool, and taxing assets is moronic. 

LOL - most of the wealthy have 0 in wages and your rant above completely ignores that fact.  The wealthy own businesses >> no wages, or live off investment income >> no wages.  Only ill informed small business owners with simple ownership structures are considered self-employed and earn "wages".  

 

The taxation of wage earners in USA is not well thought out.

[SiSePuede419]

2 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Maybe simple english is difficult for you, I have no idea.

No, I already knew that. 😄

 

You said Immigrants are the problem in America (native born Americans commit crimes more than immigrants).

You want us to believe immigrants are both lazy and living large off welfare but are stealing our jobs by working harder for less than lazy, spoiled people born in America? Which is it?

I got news for you on who is holding down wages...

Republicans.  $7.50 an hour minimum wage, they refuse to raise it.

At least you acknowledge immigrants have NOTHING to do with actual problems facing the Middle Class, including MAGA voters.

In fact, getting rid of hard working immigrants is only going to raise inflation even more.

You keep repeating Far Right propaganda, it has nothing to do with hard working America's kitchen table politics.

You're extremists. ❌

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

LOL - most of the wealthy have 0 in wages and your rant above completely ignores that fact.  The wealthy own businesses >> no wages, or live off investment income >> no wages.  Only ill informed small business owners with simple ownership structures are considered self-employed and earn "wages".  

 

The taxation of wage earners in USA is not well thought out.

LOL - Income is not only wages. Income from a business is taxable, and the owner typically takes a salary as well, which is also taxable. 

 

Investment income is also taxable

 

Gains on the sale of stock options are taxable 

 

CEO bonuses are taxable 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

No, I already knew that. 😄

 

You said Immigrants are the problem in America (native born Americans commit crimes more than immigrants).

You want us to believe immigrants are both lazy and living large off welfare but are stealing our jobs by working harder for less than lazy, spoiled people born in America? Which is it?

I got news for you on who is holding down wages...

Republicans.  $7.50 an hour minimum wage, they refuse to raise it.

At least you acknowledge immigrants have NOTHING to do with actual problems facing the Middle Class, including MAGA voters.

In fact, getting rid of hard working immigrants is only going to raise inflation even more.

You keep repeating Far Right propaganda, it has nothing to do with hard working America's kitchen table politics.

You're extremists. ❌

Like most leftists, you conflate legal immigrants with illegal aliens. 

 

There is no evidence that illegal aliens commit fewer crimes per-capita than citizens, this is just a leftist lie based on a phony study. 

 

Illegal immigrants drive down wages and drive up the cost of housing. To say they do not is to defy supply and demand. 

 

I love that the same leftists that claim illegal aliens keep prices down with cheap labor but somehow don't seem to give a whit about prices when they when they want to use the minimum wage to pander for votes, or when they want to raise corporate income taxes, both of which drive up prices. 

 

Mass Illegal immigration benefits the rich on the backs of the poor, that's why the left loves it. 

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

There is no evidence that illegal aliens commit fewer crimes per-capita than citizens

Gaslighting rubbish.

 

A 2020 federal study based on Texas Department of Public Safety data found that immigrants of all legal statuses were arrested at:

* half the rate of U.S.-born citizens for violent and drug crimes

*quarter of the rate of the U.S. born for property crimes

*Unauthorized immigrants in Texas by far had the lowest offending rates compared to the U.S. born and lawfully present immigrants

 

Liar.  😂

 

[SLOWHAND225]

13 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

We are talking about IRS data not my vehicle license number.
 

Do you know that it’s a criminal act for wilful unauthorized disclosure, access or inspection of computerised and also hard copies of tax returns. The punishment upon conviction can be fines and/or prison terms. 

"

 

No kidding ? You're feelings are getting in the way of you using your brain. 
I said theres nothing on your IRS return that can't be found easily. Using a vehicle lic. number is only one of the things used to find that info.
You can't be that dumb.

What does the legality of that action have to do with this conversation ?  It doesn't

 

[Mike_Hunt]

On 2/16/2025 at 9:22 AM, candide said:

Stupid reply. It's to finance tax cuts.

False.

[Mike_Hunt]

11 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Gaslighting rubbish.

 

A 2020 federal study based on Texas Department of Public Safety data found that immigrants of all legal statuses were arrested at:

* half the rate of U.S.-born citizens for violent and drug crimes

*quarter of the rate of the U.S. born for property crimes

*Unauthorized immigrants in Texas by far had the lowest offending rates compared to the U.S. born and lawfully present immigrants

 

Liar.  😂

 

Anyone who crosses the border illegally is breaking the law. 

[SLOWHAND225]

11 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

No, I already knew that. 😄

 

You said Immigrants are the problem in America (native born Americans commit crimes more than immigrants).

You want us to believe immigrants are both lazy and living large off welfare but are stealing our jobs by working harder for less than lazy, spoiled people born in America? Which is it?

I got news for you on who is holding down wages...

Republicans.  $7.50 an hour minimum wage, they refuse to raise it.

At least you acknowledge immigrants have NOTHING to do with actual problems facing the Middle Class, including MAGA voters.

In fact, getting rid of hard working immigrants is only going to raise inflation even more.

You keep repeating Far Right propaganda, it has nothing to do with hard working America's kitchen table politics.

You're extremists. ❌

Again, you're a legend in your own mind.
Again, nobody but you is talking about the things you're talking about.
Again, you have issues with reading comprehension.
Again, propaganda and talking points are all you have.

 

[Eric Loh]

26 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

 

No kidding ? You're feelings are getting in the way of you using your brain. 
I said theres nothing on your IRS return that can't be found easily. Using a vehicle lic. number is only one of the things used to find that info.
You can't be that dumb.

What does the legality of that action have to do with this conversation ?  It doesn't

 

You cannot legally access someone else's tax return using their driver license. There are strict privacy laws enforced by IRS. Driver license or additional personal information will not gain you access without authorization.

 

Elementary but seem to evade your common sense. 

[Luuk Chaai]

19 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

 

Good, it can't happen fast enough. We've been taken advantage of by immigrants who don't come here to become American but to live just like they did in the rat holes they came from AND our own politicians for far too long. Time to close up shop and fix ourselves, nobody.
America is almost always the first on scene to help others, know who helped up when the Carolinas and E.TN flooded ? How about the latest fires in Calif. ?  Its easy, its the same exact countries, nobody. Exactly nobody came to help. There was a good bit of lip service but still, nobody came.
We can't leave the UN and NATO soon enough.

Luckily for us, we have the room and the resources to bring almost all manufacturing back inside our borders like it used to be. 

anybody see this one yet   .  they uncovered almost 395 "MILLION" Social Security payouts  but but but.... the US population was last recorded at

       334.9 million (2023)

check out the breakdown 

[Yellowtail]

12 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Gaslighting rubbish.

 

A 2020 federal study based on Texas Department of Public Safety data found that immigrants of all legal statuses were arrested at:

* half the rate of U.S.-born citizens for violent and drug crimes

*quarter of the rate of the U.S. born for property crimes

*Unauthorized immigrants in Texas by far had the lowest offending rates compared to the U.S. born and lawfully present immigrants

 

Liar.  😂

 

This is what I said: 

 

Like most leftists, you conflate legal immigrants with illegal aliens. 

 

There is no evidence that illegal aliens commit fewer crimes per-capita than citizens, this is just a leftist lie based on a phony study. 

 

Illegal immigrants drive down wages and drive up the cost of housing. To say they do not is to defy supply and demand. 

 

I love that the same leftists that claim illegal aliens keep prices down with cheap labor but somehow don't seem to give a whit about prices when they when they want to use the minimum wage to pander for votes, or when they want to raise corporate income taxes, both of which drive up prices. 

 

Mass Illegal immigration benefits the rich on the backs of the poor, that's why the left loves it. 

 

So now you cut a paste a few lines from the phony study I was talking about.

 

That you deleted the portion of my comment about the phony study you used in your post proved how dishonest you are.