Foreigners Face New Hurdles in Opening Thai Bank Accounts

[jerrymahoney]

43 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Dyslexia

You can get personal if you like -- but I don't  see any way given the regs that anyone in a capacity of "discretion" as in Section 35 can LEGALLY charge more than 2000 baht for the privilege. 

[hotandsticky]

2 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Thailand is Upper Middle-Income, according to the World Bank. Then again so is Papua New Guinea (Upper Middle-Income) - a country where the poverty, and related violence, is right in your face (how WB comes up with these rankings is anyone's guess - perhaps because PNG has energy and minerals, but the populace are poor as poor can be).

 

 

Thank you.

 

Hopefully any posters who keep claiming otherwise will read this.

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

I will put it again for you as I did page 6 this topic:

 

And as per Section 35 of the Immigration Act (1979) as you roughly reference above, if a 'competent official' chooses to waive the nominal extension requirements, he or she is allowed to do so to the tune of 2000 baht as stipulated in item 3 of the Immigration Act (1979) fee schedule.

 

 

This would be good to know if true.  But if true, that would allow an official to waive only the 2000 baht filing fee, not the underlying requirements for the extension, which are not detailed in the act.  

 

I've read the Act but can't find that statement in any form.  What am I missing?

 

Section 35 states:

 

Each application of an alien for extension of temporary stay shall be made in the form and with payment of fees as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations. The alien may be permitted to stay in the Kingdom pending the decision.

 

https://royalthaipolice.go.th/downloads/laws/laws_03_03-03.pdf

[jerrymahoney]

To the above. This is the ministerial regulation as in the Police Order:

 

5. In the case where an alien applicant does not meet the full qualifications stipulated by the criteria herein or in other cases not specified in this Order but a competent officer equivalent to or higher than inspector is of the opinion that the alien has legitimate reason for staying in the Kingdom of Thailand, the application shall be forwarded to the Commander of the Royal Thai Police or an authorized competent officer for further consideration of the alien's application. 

https://www.thaiembassy.cz/uploads/download/EwgNBPpX8T2vY5jxRdR.pdf

 

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So I will presume that, while the 'competent officer' has the 'discretion'  to waive most of the nominal requirements, he/she cannot waive the fee schedule.

 

This was a Act promulgated (1979) by the late King Bhumibol and as such specific requirements as enacted cannot be treated as such piffle.

[sandyf]

9 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

Well actually, it does... This is only about opening a bank account, nothing to do with your personal issues.

Doesn't matter how hard you try, not going to be another Billy Connolly.

[MikeandDow]

9 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

To the above. This is the ministerial regulation as in the Police Order:

 

5. In the case where an alien applicant does not meet the full qualifications stipulated by the criteria herein or in other cases not specified in this Order but a competent officer equivalent to or higher than inspector is of the opinion that the alien has legitimate reason for staying in the Kingdom of Thailand, the application shall be forwarded to the Commander of the Royal Thai Police or an authorized competent officer for further consideration of the alien's application. 

https://www.thaiembassy.cz/uploads/download/EwgNBPpX8T2vY5jxRdR.pdf

 

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So I will presume that, while the 'competent officer' has the 'discretion'  to waive most of the nominal requirements, he/she cannot waive the fee schedule.

 

This was a Act promulgated (1979) by the late King Bhumibol and as such specific requirements as enacted cannot be treated as such piffle.

So as i said many posts ago a competent officer' has the 'discretion to grant a visa  but you still have to pay the fee

[jerrymahoney]

9 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

So as i said many posts ago a competent officer' has the 'discretion to grant a visa  but you still have to pay the fee

Yes 1900 baht and a nominal fee to the agent. So where does the other 10,000 or so baht go?

 

 

[MikeandDow]

7 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Yes 1900 baht and a nominal fee to the agent. So where does the other 10,000 or so baht go?

 

 

its called "gift of service"  sin nam jai,

you learning yet ??

[jerrymahoney]

11 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

its called "gift of service"  sin nam jai,

you learning yet ??

It's called a bribe and most of the money likely ends up in mule accounts.

 

But I was waiting for you to go into plausible deniability mode

[MikeandDow]

9 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It's called a bribe and must of the money likely ends up in mule accounts.

That is a Western view point !! the money will end up in the persons bank account 

There is also a tradition of presenting gifts to
high officials. In this context you see that some things used to be legitimate under the
traditional patronage system but are clearly to be considered problematic in modern legal
system. Thais still accept paying fees to officials as sin nam jai, the 'gifts
of good will' and do not see that as a form of corruption.

[KhunHeineken]

9 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

No my words were: And just who uses mule accounts. Someone who deals with large amounts of unreported cash money that they would have a hard time explaining the source of that money. Like someone who receives large amounts of cash from a "reputable agent" 

You have no idea how a mule account works. 

 

"someone who receives large amounts of cash" describes thousands of Thai bar girls, and Thai spouses, more so now with "gifting" as a way to minimize tax. 

 

It's more complicated than an in and out 800k baht deposit / withdrawal. 

[jerrymahoney]

So 1000+% gratuities are just fine.

It's been swell.

[KhunHeineken]

19 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

No need to post any more until you was been, m'kay?

 

Keep driving. 

[KhunHeineken]

19 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

I did and it does not answer these questions!

Yes, it does.  Read it again. 

[MikeandDow]

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

So 1000+% gratuities are just fine.

It's been swell.
 

you have a lot to learn about Thailand

[KhunHeineken]

20 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

No idea !!  think i have to agree with the other posters Troll  Khun !!

Fail. 

[KhunHeineken]

5 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Thailand is Upper Middle-Income, according to the World Bank. Then again so is Papua New Guinea (Upper Middle-Income) - a country where the poverty, and related violence, is right in your face (how WB comes up with these rankings is anyone's guess - perhaps because PNG has energy and minerals, but the populace are poor as poor can be).

Well said. 

[KhunHeineken]

8 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

you have a lot to learn about Thailand

Less to learn than you, it seems. 

[jerrymahoney]

8 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

you have a lot to learn about Thailand

What I know is that nothing will happen if the Thai RTP Immigration have to arrest themselves.

 

The only way something might happen is if the Revenue Department sees all this as tax fraud

[MikeandDow]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

What I know is that nothing will happen if the Thai RTP Immigration have to arrest themselves.

 

The only way something might happen is if the Revenue Department sees all this as tax fraud

oh think the penny has drop !!!

[KhunHeineken]

21 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

You are wrong

 

 

.... on both counts

There's Thailand, right at the top of the list.   Such a "stable" country.   

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1350920/coup-d-etats-world-type/

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Less to learn than you, it seems. 

No idea about Thai culture, or you would not call your self Khun

[KhunHeineken]

21 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Thailand is not a third world country

Yes, it is. 

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Yes, it is. 

Wrong again !!

Thailand is not a third world country it is classified as an upper-middle income economy by the World Bank, meaning it has made significant economic progress and is considered a developing country that is moving towards developed status.

[KhunHeineken]

21 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

I think you should come up with a plan b  Khun!!  there is nothing wrong being Financially and emotionally invested in a 3rd World Country

I think you will find it's the opposite. 

 

Those who have financially and emotionally "invested" in Thailand need a Plan B. 

 

I can sell my motorbike, entertainment system, and donate some other appliances, drain my bank account, and head straight to the airport withing24 hours, should I need to, or have to, and all I would lose is some rent, and possibly the bond. 

 

The flight could be to Vietnam, Malaysia, Cambodia, for example, and I simply start again. 

 

Those with financial and emotional ties in Thailand really need to have a solid Plan B.  A well thought out plan.  I doubt many do.  They think nothing will ever change in Thailand from the day they started "living the dream."   

[MikeandDow]

2 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

I think you will find it's the opposite. 

 

Those who have financially and emotionally "invested" in Thailand need a Plan B. 

 

I can sell my motorbike, entertainment system, and donate some other appliances, drain my bank account, and head straight to the airport withing24 hours, should I need to, or have to, and all I would lose is some rent, and possibly the bond. 

 

The flight could be to Vietnam, Malaysia, Cambodia, for example, and I simply start again. 

 

Those with financial and emotional ties in Thailand really need to have a solid Plan B.  A well thought out plan.  I doubt many do.  They think nothing will ever change in Thailand from the day they started "living the dream."   

Go nobody is stopping you !!! can troll some where else

[hotandsticky]

15 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Yes, it is. 

 

Only a moron would perpetuate that lie.

[KhunHeineken]

22 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Well its correct you have Not done your research  it is up to the immigration officer to grant the visa or not (with or with out money) you can not get away with That Fact

So, you are relying on what side of the bed an Immigration Officer wakes upon. That's a solid plan. 

[MikeandDow]

1 minute ago, KhunHeineken said:

So, you are relying on what side of the bed an Immigration Officer wakes upon. That's a solid plan. 

Not relying on anything ! go troll  elsewhere

[KhunHeineken]

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Not relying on anything ! go troll  elsewhere

What's your point????

 

Is it that an Immigration Officer can issue an extension to anyone they want?  If so, it usually involves handing over money to ignore the requirements.  What's new about that here????