Zelinsky: The End Is Near

[sharot724]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

The UK is broke.  They can sign all the loan agreements in the world with Ukraine and it doesn't change that simple fact.  

proof please and can you include how the wealth in russia is doing too?

[transam]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

The UK is broke.  They can sign all the loan agreements in the world with Ukraine and it doesn't change that simple fact.  

If the UK is broke, the USA must be in a terrible state, and your Russia even worse.................😢

[jas007]

2 hours ago, transam said:

If the UK is broke, the USA must be in a terrible state, and your Russia even worse.................😢

You miss the point, I'm afraid.  The war is over, and cannot be won by Ukraine. As for the US being broke?  Not so long as they have the world reserve currency. And least not for a while. Years, perhaps.  In any event, if you step back a look at the bigger picture, you also miss one very important factor.  Russia is now at the table and ready to make a deal with the US for mining Russia minerals, not only in the Donbas, but across Russia.  The Big Lie has now been exposed and no amount of nonsense from Europe can change that simple fact.  The sooner you digest all that, the sooner your eyes will open and you'll begin to see.

[transam]

15 hours ago, jas007 said:

You miss the point, I'm afraid.  The war is over, and cannot be won by Ukraine. As for the US being broke?  Not so long as they have the world reserve currency. And least not for a while. Years, perhaps.  In any event, if you step back a look at the bigger picture, you also miss one very important factor.  Russia is now at the table and ready to make a deal with the US for mining Russia minerals, not only in the Donbas, but across Russia.  The Big Lie has now been exposed and no amount of nonsense from Europe can change that simple fact.  The sooner you digest all that, the sooner your eyes will open and you'll begin to see.

Really, have you got a link stating the war is over, or is it just more of your anti-waffling...? 🤫

[connda]

Let see. 
History lesson: Ngo Dinh Diem, Rafael Trujillo, Patrice Lumumba, Salvador Allende...
Up Next: Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy?

Speaker Johnson Says ‘Someone Else Needs to Lead’ Ukraine If Zelensky Doesn’t ‘Come to His Senses’
 https://time.com/7263411/zelensky-future-trump-oval-office-fallout-johnson-comments/

To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.

-Former Sec State Henry A. Kissinger

[ChicagoExpat]

I just cannot understand how so many commenters here are pro-Putin.  Especially when so many of them complain about stuff... that's SO MUCH WORSE for the side they support, whether it's what Putin does or what Trump does.  Moral bankruptcy, yes, but the hypocrisy is really disgusting.

[MangoKorat]

Trump's behaviour in his 'spat' with Zelenskyy was outrageous, deliberate and planned. How many times does he want the man to say thank you?  This was all part of Trumps aim to get rid of Zeleneskyy to suit Trump's new pal, Putin. If you couldn't see that, you need help - the man isn't even a good actor!

 

Its shocking that you yanks who support Trump still can't see the wood for the trees.  Thankfully not all yanks are the same but I never thought I'd see the day when a US President aligned with a thug like Putin - a real 'dictator' who has no opposition as such because he either has them killed of locks them up. A man responsible for the deaths of hundreds of soldiers on both sides and who oversaw the massacre at Bucha.

 

What does Trump have to do for you to wake up from your MAGA intoxicated trance?  When will you realise that Trump is the one who is at risk of starting WW3?

 

European leaders may be cow-towing now - out of a fear of tariffs but that won't last forever - everyone has their limit and it is well known that apart from a few blind lunatics, very few people in the US actually support Trump in his disgusting attempt to take down Zelenskyy. It was clear what he was doing when he 'invented' his accusations against Zelenskyy.

 

So - so much for the end is nigh - Zelenskyy's ratings are up in both Ukraine and Europe.  Your leader - US citizens, is going to ruin your country and its standing in the world order.  He's not going to 'Make America Great Again', he's going to wreck your country's reputation and isloate the US. You just can't (won't), see it.

 

The only thing I agree with him about is that European NATO members should be countributing far more to their defence budgets.

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Trump's behaviour in his 'spat' with Zelenskyy was outrageous, deliberate and planned. How many times does he want the man to say thank you?  This was all part of Trumps aim to get rid of Zeleneskyy to suit Trump's new pal, Putin.

 

Its shocking that you yanks who support Trump still can't see the wood for the trees.  Thankfully not all yanks are the same but I never thought I'd see the day when a US President aligned with a thug like Putin - a man who has no opposition as such because he either has them killed of locks them up. A man responsible for the deaths of hundreds of soldiers on both sides and who oversaw the massacre at Bucha.

 

What does Trump have to do for you to wake up from your MAGA intoxicated trance?  When will you realise that Trump is the one who is at risk of starting WW3?

 

European leaders may be cow-towing now - out of a fear of tariffs but that won't last forever - everyone has their limit and it is well known that apart from a few blind lunatics, very few people in the US actually support Trump in his disgusting attempt to take down Zelenskyy. The man isn't even a good actor - it was clear what he was doing when he 'invented' his accusations against Zelenskyy.

 

So - so much for the end is nigh - Zelenskyy's ratings are up in both Ukraine and Europe.  You leader - US citizens, is going to ruin your country and its standing in the world order.  He's not going to 'Make America Great Again', he's going to wreck your country's reputation and isloate the US. You just can't (won't), see it.

 

The only thing I agree with him about is that European NATO members should be countributing far more to their defence budgets.

 

So, Zelensky had the backing of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

What is the way forward?

 

Do you think morons protesting Vance skiing with his family want to get over there and fight for Ukraine? 

 

Do you think European parents want their kids to go fight in Russia? 

[MangoKorat]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, Zelensky had the backing of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

There is only one person responsible for those deaths - Putin.

[transam]

Just now, MangoKorat said:

There is only one person responsible for those deaths - Putin.

Correct, Trump's bunch have pushed that fact under the carpet, bunch of hypocrites........🤔

[MangoKorat]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you think European parents want their kids to go fight in Russia? 

Nobody wants to fight - but Putin must be stopped.  The US is best placed to do that but instead, Trump's cuddling up to him.  Morally - any free and democratic country has a duty to, jointly with others, stop aggression by one country towards another - if not, it may well be them tomorrow.  Putin is the one who started this - its disgusting how Trump fails to call him out on that.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Nobody wants to fight - but Putin must be stopped.  The US is best placed to do that but instead, Trump's cuddling up to him.  Morally - any free and democratic country has a duty to, jointly with others, stop aggression by one country towards another - if not, it may well be them tomorrow.  Putin is the one who started this - its disgusting how Trump fails to call him out on that.

So, Zelensky had the backing of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

You say, "nobody wants to fight", so what is the way forward?

[Harrisfan]

7 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Nobody wants to fight - but Putin must be stopped.  The US is best placed to do that but instead, Trump's cuddling up to him.  Morally - any free and democratic country has a duty to, jointly with others, stop aggression by one country towards another - if not, it may well be them tomorrow.  Putin is the one who started this - its disgusting how Trump fails to call him out on that.

In 20 years Putin has done what? Taken 20% of Ukraine. They are all Slavs anyway.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, Zelensky had the backing of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

You say, "nobody wants to fight", so what is the way forward?

The way forward is for the World to tell Putin he is a tyrant that is ruining his own country, and we will continue to support Ukraine in its just cause.

Not do a Trump, the convicted liar and thief who desperately wants to be a dictator like his chums Putin, Xe and Kim.......🤔

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

In 20 years Putin has done what? Taken 20% of Ukraine. They are all Slavs anyway.

Yet another stupid post...........🙄

[Yellowtail]

Uh oh,,,,

[SunnyinBangrak]

53 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Nobody wants to fight - but Putin must be stopped.  The US is best placed to do that but instead, Trump's cuddling up to him.  Morally - any free and democratic country has a duty to, jointly with others, stop aggression by one country towards another - if not, it may well be them tomorrow.  Putin is the one who started this - its disgusting how Trump fails to call him out on that.

Putin forced NATO to abandon it's promises and treaties to expand eastward? 

[connda]

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

Nobody wants to fight - but Putin must be stopped.  The US is best placed to do that but instead, Trump's cuddling up to him.  Morally - any free and democratic country has a duty to, jointly with others, stop aggression by one country towards another - if not, it may well be them tomorrow.  Putin is the one who started this - its disgusting how Trump fails to call him out on that.

Absolutely the best thing to do is to normalize US-Russia relationships, drop the useless sanctions, and reestablish trade.
The US has no duty at all to be Team America - World Police, as all it does is burn tax-payer money for the benefit of the MIC and "Defense" contractors.  Study history - NATO push itself right against Russia's borders and then use Ukraine as a battering ram. 
Ukraine could have signed the Istanbul Peace Agreements it initialed but chose not to at the urging of Boris Johnson.  Unprovoked?  Oft repeated by war-hawks with skin in the game of war.

"More war! More war! More war!!!"

Here - volunteer if you want war so badly.  Yeah, ya'll are war-mongers as long as someone else is doing the fighting and dying.
3rd assault brigade 2nd foreign legion needs you!

 

[Yellowtail]

These guys all want to go and help: 

 

[Yellowtail]

And I'm sure all the trans solders that the evil Hegseth kicked out of our military will all be chomping at the bit to get over there and do their part.

 

We can send a whole trans battalion with Tim Walz as their commander. 

 

 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

 

 

The only thing I agree with him about is that European NATO members should be countributing far more to their defence budgets.

[Snip]

Because the US is overspending? This overspend helps US defense contractors and the US military that can't find billions, or is it trillions, of dollars. Also don't forget the percentages between the countries are not comparable with the US including e.g. military pensions where others don't.

[Yellowtail]

51 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Because the US is overspending? This overspend helps US defense contractors and the US military that can't find billions, or is it trillions, of dollars. Also don't forget the percentages between the countries are not comparable with the US including e.g. military pensions where others don't.

While the spending helps the defense contractors that the left now loves, it still comes out of the pocket of taxpayers. 

 

In any event, Zelensky had the backing of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

So what is the way forward?

 

Why did you say nothing when Obama gave Russia Crimea and refused to arm Ukraine? 

 

Why did you say nothing when Biden canceled Trump's sanctions on Russian, and canceled Trump's arms shipments to Ukraine? 

 

 

 

[bannork]

 A plan for peace.

1. After a ceasefire, Ukraine maintains a large and technologically advanced military, trained and supplied by its Western partners.

2. The US and Europe commit to arming Ukraine heavily if Russia invades again.

This commitment is highly credible because the allies are doing that now.

Nato allies could also sign a legally binding document and stockpile specific weapons systems that could be sent quickly to Ukraine in case of a renewed attack.

We should remember, Ukraine’s own forces have protected the country for three years, preserving 80% of Ukrainian territory and forcing Russia into a costly war of attrition.

If those forces remain strong, it would hardly be a foregone conclusion that Putin or his successor will make another attempt – not because the Kremlin can be trusted to keep its word but because it would suffer enormous losses for little gain.

Ukraine, Europe and the US must use their leverage at the negotiating table to get Russia to stop fighting without requiring Ukraine to disarm.

Russia might agree, having kept Ukraine out of Nato, and Nato, and its members’ forces, out of Ukraine. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

 A plan for peace.

1. After a ceasefire, Ukraine maintains a large and technologically advanced military, trained and supplied by its Western partners.

2. The US and Europe commit to arming Ukraine heavily if Russia invades again.

This commitment is highly credible because the allies are doing that now.

Nato allies could also sign a legally binding document and stockpile specific weapons systems that could be sent quickly to Ukraine in case of a renewed attack.

We should remember, Ukraine’s own forces have protected the country for three years, preserving 80% of Ukrainian territory and forcing Russia into a costly war of attrition.

If those forces remain strong, it would hardly be a foregone conclusion that Putin or his successor will make another attempt – not because the Kremlin can be trusted to keep its word but because it would suffer enormous losses for little gain.

Ukraine, Europe and the US must use their leverage at the negotiating table to get Russia to stop fighting without requiring Ukraine to disarm.

Russia might agree, having kept Ukraine out of Nato, and Nato, and its members’ forces, out of Ukraine. 

So, the same as Trump's plan, except that Trump also wants the US to develop mining interests in Ukraine, further deterring Putin. 

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, the same as Trump's plan, except that Trump also wants the US to develop mining interests in Ukraine, further deterring Putin. 

Ah yes, that's why trump balked at a security guarantee.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Ah yes, that's why trump balked at a security guarantee.

So, tell me again, why did Obama give Crimea to Putin? 

 

And why did Biden cancel the sanctions Trump put on Russia, and cancel the Trump's arms shipments to Ukraine? 

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, tell me again, why did Obama give Crimea to Putin? 

 

And why did Biden cancel the sanctions Trump put on Russia, and cancel the Trump's arms shipments to Ukraine? 

Nothing at all to do with my post. You were lying, or 'misinterpreting' if you prefer, got called out so now you're deflecting as usual.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nothing at all to do with my post. You were lying, or 'misinterpreting' if you prefer, got called out so now you're deflecting as usual.

 

Trump has been talking for weeks about Ukraine security. 

 

So, tell me again, why did Obama give Crimea to Putin? 

 

And why did Biden cancel the sanctions Trump put on Russia, and cancel the Trump's arms shipments to Ukraine? 

[stevenl]

31 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Trump has been talking for weeks about Ukraine security. 

 

So, tell me again, why did Obama give Crimea to Putin? 

 

And why did Biden cancel the sanctions Trump put on Russia, and cancel the Trump's arms shipments to Ukraine? 

Trump refused to guarantee security.

Deflecting.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Trump refused to guarantee security.

Deflecting.

Democrats met with Zelensky to sabotage the signing ceremony. 

 

Trump has been talking for weeks about Ukraine security. Why would Trump put US mining interests in Ukraine is they were not going to be secure? 

 

So, tell me again, why did Obama give Crimea to Putin? 

 

And why did Biden cancel the sanctions Trump put on Russia, and cancel the Trump's arms shipments to Ukraine?