US votes against the free world at UN

[transam]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

As an Australian, I question whether being allied with America is worth anything.

 

1/  America is putting 25% tariffs on what we export there.

 

2/ We are purchasing 3 secondhand nuclear submarines. For the same money, we could have 24 conventional submarines.

 

3/ We have 3 bases in Australia which are sovereign US territory. Any intelligence shared with us is determined by American policy.

 

4/ Any intelligence that Australia shares with America could end up anywhere in the world, with the current administration there.

 

5/ America has repeatedly proved it cannot go the distance in any conflict. It will also sell out anyone

 

Time to find new allies. America is no longer trustworthy.

 

 

I think you are right......

[TedG]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

To arm Ukraine sufficiently to seriously damage Russia, causing Putin to give up.

He only understands might.

 

And, who is willing to do that?  

[bannork]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

 

And, who is willing to do that?  

It should be the US and Europe.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, bannork said:

To arm Ukraine sufficiently to seriously damage Russia, causing Putin to give up.

He only understands might.

 

   Who will pay for those weapons ?

Something like 500 Billion U.S Dollars has already been given to Ukraine 

How much more money would it take for Ukraine to win the war ?

 

[transam]

Just now, TedG said:

 

What is end game.  Which county is willing to send troops to Ukraine to expel Russia?  

Again, no idea, I am posting on a Thai farangy based forum with my own thoughts.

In the past, the World more or less stood shoulder to should too defeat invaders..

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

What is end game.  Which county is willing to send troops to Ukraine to expel Russia?  

Wait and see what any peace plan proposes.

[transam]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Who will pay for those weapons ?

Something like 500 Billion U.S Dollars has already been given to Ukraine 

How much more money would it take for Ukraine to win the war ?

 

Why are you so worried about money, when freedom is at stake, do you complain about the money spent on space exploration...?  

[TedG]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

It should be the US and Europe.

 

This is a European war.  Lets see Europe step up for a change.  Let them put boots on the ground. 

[TedG]

Just now, transam said:

Why are you so worried about money, when freedom is at stake, do you complain about the money spent on space exploration...?  

Why should the USA fund the war effort 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Why are you so worried about money, when freedom is at stake, do you complain about the money spent on space exploration...?  

 

   Its quite easy to state that 1000 Billion Dollars should be sent to Ukraine without think about where that money will come from . 

   Whos going to pay for it ?

[TedG]

There are lots of virtual signaling lefties here who stand with Ukraine as long they don't have to do anything.   After three years, you people see that Russia is not leaving unless they are forced to leave, which means boots on the ground from other countries. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Why should the USA fund the war effort 

I thought the USA was made up of many nationalities from Europe from its inception. It helped out with Hitlers stuff, many others helped the USA out with the Japan thing.

 

The only thing that has changed is a loopy bloke with bone spurs is in charge...

Even Macron had to point out his latest mistake............🙄

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its quite easy to state that 1000 Billion Dollars should be sent to Ukraine without think about where that money will come from . 

   Whos going to pay for it ?

The same place the money came from to fight the Nazi,Japanese and later Commy intrusion in Vietnam, then Iraq, Afghanistan, etc......

But don't you worry, I doubt you will be asked for any dosh...🤣

[camper star]

Financial Times they wrote that sanctions against Russia could be lifted soon.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, transam said:

The same place the money came from to fight the Nazi,Japanese and later Commy intrusion in Vietnam, then Iraq, Afghanistan, etc......

But don't you worry, I doubt you will be asked for any dosh...🤣

 

   Borrow the money and spend the next 60 years paying it off ?

I will have to be paying that borrowed money back, you will not have to pay that money back 

[Harrisfan]

20 minutes ago, bannork said:

To arm Ukraine sufficiently to seriously damage Russia, causing Putin to give up.

He only understands might.

You pay for it then. Trump supporters do not want to. They voted to end the war.

[rough diamond]

2 minutes ago, camper star said:

Financial Times they wrote that sanctions against Russia could be lifted soon.

Do you have a link to that as the UK have just announced new sanctions which are widely reported on most news channels.

[frank83628]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

As an Australian, I question whether being allied with America is worth anything.

 

1/  America is putting 25% tariffs on what we export there.

 

2/ We are purchasing 3 secondhand nuclear submarines. For the same money, we could have 24 conventional submarines.

 

3/ We have 3 bases in Australia which are sovereign US territory. Any intelligence shared with us is determined by American policy.

 

4/ Any intelligence that Australia shares with America could end up anywhere in the world, with the current administration there.

 

5/ America has repeatedly proved it cannot go the distance in any conflict. It will also sell out anyone

 

Time to find new allies. America is no longer trustworthy.

 

 

It never was, just dragged your relatively neutral country future wars with china with you weak politicians getting on their kneewls to the previous administrations isince 9/11

[camper star]

Just now, rough diamond said:

Do you have a link to that as the UK have just announced new sanctions which are widely reported on most news channels.

 

1 minute ago, rough diamond said:

Do you have a link to that as the UK have just announced new sanctions which are widely reported on most news channels.

 

 

My Russian friend in Russia just told me about it 3 minutes ago.

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Borrow the money and spend the next 60 years paying it off ?

I will have to be paying that borrowed money back, you will not have to pay that money back 

The young will pay it back. The old won't hence pro war. They don't care about the youth in their own nations. Grandstanding due to leftist Trump hate. Sad retirement selling out their own nations which they deserted.

[spidermike007]

That is who Trump is and what he does. He shuns our allies, he shuns nations with Democratic rule, and he coddles and supports dictators, despots and those who suppress, kill and oppress their own people. 

 

In addition he's showing an extreme level of heartlessness and a total lack of sympathy for the poor people of the world by shutting down hundreds of USAID programs that benefited the poorest of the poor, at a relatively low cost to the US, and in the process this extremist Grinch has raised the influence of Russia and China significantly around the world. 

 

 

[TedG]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

I thought the USA was made up of many nationalities from Europe from its inception. It helped out with Hitlers stuff, many others helped the USA out with the Japan thing.

 

The only thing that has changed is a loopy bloke with bone spurs is in charge...

Even Macron had to point out his latest mistake............🙄

In WW2 there was a goal.   The uncondititonal surrendar of Japan and Germany.  

 

Ukaine lacks the man power to remove Russian from Ukaine.  

 

Like I asked before.  What is the end game. 

 

Maybe Macron should put boots on the gound in Ukaine. 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, rough diamond said:

Do you have a link to that as the UK have just announced new sanctions which are widely reported on most news channels.

You don't think the US will be lifting sanctions, while the UK and EU while be imposing more?

 

It's pretty clear who Trump is siding with.

[TedG]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

That is who Trump is and what he does. He shuns our allies, he shuns nations with Democratic rule, and he coddles and supports dictators, despots and those who suppress, kill and oppress their own people. 

 

In addition he's showing an extreme level of heartlessness and a total lack of sympathy for the poor people of the world by shutting down hundreds of USAID programs that benefited the poorest of the poor, at a relatively low cost to the US, and in the process this extremist Grinch has raised the influence of Russia and China significantly around the world. 

 

USAID funds an array of humanitarian projects around the world, including those related to providing clean water, infrastructure, and health care. The State Department provides broad foreign policy goals to USAID, but the agency decides on the specific projects to achieve those goals. Generally, independent private contracting companies bid on the projects that USAID funds.

 

Congress appropriated $66.1 billion for foreign aid in fiscal year 2023. That works out to 1.2 percent of that year’s total federal expenditure, which was more than $6.1 trillion. USAID administers around 60 percent of foreign aid.

 

Why Does the United States Provide Assistance to Other Countries? There are many reasons countries provide foreign aid to other nations beyond simply helping people living in poverty or conflict.

 

Foster positive relations with other countries. A country can leverage the foreign aid it gives, and that resulting relationship, to get preferential treatment later. For example, China has spent nearly $680 billion since 2013 on its Belt and Road Initiative, funding infrastructure projects in 150 different countries. The project is meant to increase Chinese trade and influence around the world.

Promote global stability.

 

This was the primary goal of the Marshall Plan, when the United States gave Europe $13.3 billion to rebuild after World War II. A stable Europe was economically beneficial to the United States, and there was fear that the Soviet Union could further expand its sphere of influence from Eastern Europe if Western Europe remained fragile.

Prevent the global spread of disease. Treating and preventing diseases from spreading is another way to promote global stability, as diseases (such as COVID-19) can be destabilizing. The United States funds several initiatives to curb infectious diseases; one of the most successful has been the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). The United States has invested over $100 billion in PEPFAR since 2003, providing developing countries facing HIV epidemics with medicine, medical care, and preventative resources.

 

https://www.closeup.org/usaid-and-cutting-international-aid/

 

 

 

Why should the USA bail out Europe again?   

[rough diamond]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

The same place the money came from to fight the Nazi,Japanese and later Commy intrusion in Vietnam, then Iraq, Afghanistan, etc......

But don't you worry, I doubt you will be asked for any dosh...🤣

The United Kingdom paid the United States and Canada back the final WW11 lend lease payment in 2006.

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

That is who Trump is and what he does. He shuns our allies, he shuns nations with Democratic rule, and he coddles and supports dictators, despots and those who suppress, kill and oppress their own people. 

 

In addition he's showing an extreme level of heartlessness and a total lack of sympathy for the poor people of the world by shutting down hundreds of USAID programs that benefited the poorest of the poor, at a relatively low cost to the US, and in the process this extremist Grinch has raised the influence of Russia and China significantly around the world. 

 

USAID funds an array of humanitarian projects around the world, including those related to providing clean water, infrastructure, and health care. The State Department provides broad foreign policy goals to USAID, but the agency decides on the specific projects to achieve those goals. Generally, independent private contracting companies bid on the projects that USAID funds.

 

Congress appropriated $66.1 billion for foreign aid in fiscal year 2023. That works out to 1.2 percent of that year’s total federal expenditure, which was more than $6.1 trillion. USAID administers around 60 percent of foreign aid.

 

Why Does the United States Provide Assistance to Other Countries? There are many reasons countries provide foreign aid to other nations beyond simply helping people living in poverty or conflict.

 

Foster positive relations with other countries. A country can leverage the foreign aid it gives, and that resulting relationship, to get preferential treatment later. For example, China has spent nearly $680 billion since 2013 on its Belt and Road Initiative, funding infrastructure projects in 150 different countries. The project is meant to increase Chinese trade and influence around the world.

Promote global stability.

 

This was the primary goal of the Marshall Plan, when the United States gave Europe $13.3 billion to rebuild after World War II. A stable Europe was economically beneficial to the United States, and there was fear that the Soviet Union could further expand its sphere of influence from Eastern Europe if Western Europe remained fragile.

Prevent the global spread of disease. Treating and preventing diseases from spreading is another way to promote global stability, as diseases (such as COVID-19) can be destabilizing. The United States funds several initiatives to curb infectious diseases; one of the most successful has been the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). The United States has invested over $100 billion in PEPFAR since 2003, providing developing countries facing HIV epidemics with medicine, medical care, and preventative resources.

 

https://www.closeup.org/usaid-and-cutting-international-aid/

 

 

Trump is doing what he said he would do pre election. That shows respect to the voters. Your post is just abusive.

[TedG]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Trump is doing what he said he would do pre election. That shows respect to the voters. Your post is just abusive.

That poster could not think himself out of a paper bag.  

[Summerinsiam]

Sanctions have not had the desired effect, forcing the Russian economy onto a war footing in order to compensate, and diplomatic efforts to isolate Russia have proved disastrous, driving the country into the arms of China and North Korea.  The Russians have diversified and found new customers for their oil and natural gas. Yet the EU seems determined to continue down the same failed path; futilely announcing more sanctions and military aid when the moment has passed. Despite the naysayers, it is clearly time for a new approach. Diplomacy is a way of telegraphing this to the Russians and the world.

[TedG]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You don't think the US will be lifting sanctions, while the UK and EU while be imposing more?

 

It's pretty clear who Trump is siding with.

When is the .AU going to send troops to Ukaine?  

[TedG]

Just now, Summerinsiam said:

Sanctions have not had the desired effect, forcing the Russian economy onto a war footing in order to compensate, and diplomatic efforts to isolate Russia have proved disastrous, driving the country into the arms of China and North Korea.  The Russians have diversified and found new customers for their oil and natural gas. Yet the EU seems determined to continue down the same failed path; futilely announcing more sanctions and military aid when the moment has passed. Despite the naysayers, it is clearly time for a new approach. Diplomacy is a way of telegraphing this to the Russians and the world.

 

The EU does not want to do the hard work of builiding armies.