Starmer Urges Zelensky to Reconcile with Trump, but Tensions Remain High

[Captain Flack]

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[TedG]

4 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I think Zelensky should reconcile with Trump, but only if Trump seeks reconciliation. In other words, I don't believe that Zelensky should "bow down" to Trump, but a handshake and a "let's start over" would be okay with me.

Who needs who?

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Who needs who?

Exactly. Trump is the boss, Z the employee. Go elsewhere if not happy. Nobody else will pay $183bn.

[TedG]

Don't worry; Europe plans on cutting ties with Russia by 2027.  

[jas007]

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I think Zelensky should reconcile with Trump, but only if Trump seeks reconciliation. In other words, I don't believe that Zelensky should "bow down" to Trump, but a handshake and a "let's start over" would be okay with me.

I'm afraid Trump is done with Zelenskyy, and Zelenskyy himself has reached the end of his political acting career.  I'm not sure what's next, but it looks like it's any deal to stop the war now, including a deal with Putin.  The US can mine minerals in the Donbass and throughout the rest of Russia. 

[newbee2022]

5 hours ago, Hakuna Matata said:

CNN and other major media are today carrying video clips on their youtube channels giving us a glimpse of the 19 or so European and transatlantic leaders who gathered in London to discuss with Volodymyr Zelensky how to continue their cooperation in defense of Ukraine following the debacle in the White House in Washington yesterday, when Zelensky was humiliated before the television cameras and was shown to the door. Among the 19 whom I counted when they posed for the obligatory group photo were  Emmanuel Macron, Donald Tusk, Georgia Meloni, Justin Trudeau, Mark Rutte, Ursula von der Leyen.

In the few introductory words delivered by Keir Starmer, we heard that their common mission is to provide for European security, in which defending Ukraine plays a vital role. They seemingly wish to arrive at a common position on defending Ukraine that they will later present to Washington.

The problem with this is that they are knowingly running directly against the now crystal clear position of Donald Trump to wash his hands of Zelensky and to allow the Russians to finish up this war as they see best. The U.S. is about to cut off shipments of arms prepared by Biden in his last days and will surely not send any further weapons to Kiev out of its current budget.

It is utterly bizarre that these stubborn Europeans think that they have some leverage with Trump. Their blindness is not merely to the obvious fact that absent the participation of the USA in the war effort consisting of materiel, money and critically important satellite intelligence to guide battlefield operations, the Ukrainian forces have no chance whatsoever of standing up to Russia.  Europe’s possible aid will solve nothing.

More to the point, when they speak of European security, they overlook the fact that without vibrant U.S. participation in NATO, NATO can fold its tents since it will be nonfunctional. It lacks the air lift, the armaments manufacturing capacity, most everything to sustain a war that will last more than a few days.

By their present gathering, these leaders are setting the stage for a U.S. pull-out from NATO.  They forget how the United States under any president, not just Donald J. Trump, reacts to defiance from allies.  Just think back to 2003 when Germany, France and Belgium had the temerity to veto the U.S. drafted resolution before the UN Security Council approving the planned invasion of Iraq over alleged weapons of mass destruction.  Within days, French wines were being poured out into the gutters, French fries were renamed ‘freedom fries’ and there was outrage and indignation across the land.  No less will result from the stupid, pig-headed action of these European heads of government in London today.

As for Keir Starmer, he must be the stupidest of the lot.  When in Washington meeting with Donald Trump, he was offered a tariff free trade deal with the USA that his country has sought ever since Brexit. He failed to see that this was the deal:  you get tariff free trade if you just shut up about Ukraine.  But shut up this oaf could not do.  As they say in Washington, there now will be consequences.
On related news of the day, it appears that King Charles today gave an audience to his good friend Volodymyr Zelensky.  And does he still expect Donald Trump to come calling for the state visit and private dinner with the King that Starmer delivered during his visit?

I wondering under what circumstances this horrible nonsense was written. And, to be honest, I don't want to know too precisely.

However, and here is my question:

500 mill people have to ask 350 mill to protect 100 mill against 145 mill?? I read this recently in EU press.

Economically US needs us Europeans (and Canada) for steady growth.

And to secure the peace in nearer future US needs the Europeans too.

So it's a vice versa thing.

If US wants to be friends with Europe? We'll see. I'm not a clairvoyant.🤗

 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

You?

No.  I believe it was a reference to yourself. 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Why the left love this little clown

Says you looking in the mirror.

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

This would not have happened except for DEMOCRATS who cornered Zelenski just before the meeting with Trump and telling him no to sign the agreement.  So tired of anti Trumpers who go around calling Trump names when the know nothing except for the what they hear in the Marxist Democrat news.  Educate yourself or at least think for yourself.

 

"This would not have happened except for DEMOCRATS who cornered Zelenski just before the meeting with Trump and telling him no to sign the agreement."

 

A link or some other 100% proof please. 

[Yellowtail]

22 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

"This would not have happened except for DEMOCRATS who cornered Zelenski just before the meeting with Trump and telling him no to sign the agreement."

 

A link or some other 100% proof please. 

 

https://www.realclearpolicy.com/2025/03/03/dems_lead_zelensky_ukraine_off_a_cliff_1094981.html

[Hakuna Matata]

 

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Don't worry; Europe plans on cutting ties with Russia by 2027.  

Better knotting ties 👍

[Hakuna Matata]

 

[RayC]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly.

 

Starmer doesn't want a great post Brexit trade deal with the US. That would prove him and all the Remainers wrong again. He wants to cozy up to the EU leaders and try to rejoin.

 

He hates Britain.  

 

What an absolute lot of old tosh.

 

This is, never was and given the current political climate won't be in the foreseeable future, any prospect of a US-UK free-trade deal being put on the table. Trump offered warm words about a post-Brexit free-trade arrangement first time round and nothing happened. Given that the US is becoming increasingly protectionist, the chances of a substantial deal this time round is slim. Starmer was attempting a damage limitation exercise in Washington i.e. trying to avoid US tariffs being imposed on the UK. Time will tell, but to that end he might be successful. 

 

Wrt the EU, Starmer - and to be fair, Sunak before him - are merely trying to resume normal relations and repair the damage done to our relationship with our closest trading partner following the catastrophic confrontational agenda pursued by the buffoon, Johnson.

 

It is ridiculous to suggest that any UK PM - whatever their political persuasion - actually hates Britain.

[Luuk Chaai]

Starmer Urges Zelensky to Reconcile with Trump,

 

as in..  take one for the team ..  or all of Europe is screwed ...

4D Chess !

[Yellowtail]

"Zelensky says Ukraine 'ready' to sign minerals deal with US"

 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/03/03/zelensky-says-ukraine-ready-to-sign-minerals-deal-with-us_6738735_4.html

[Merrill]

On 3/3/2025 at 1:28 AM, Hanaguma said:

Well, you have to decide which Zelensky is.  According to Mama Beeb, he is still willing to sign the mining deal with the US. 

 

I have a feeling that some of Zelensky's more clever advisors got in his ear during the trans-Atlantic flight and basically told him that he screwed the pooch.  Meeting Starmer was lovely, but our Piers only promised him 1% of the aid that the US could give.  

Zelensky and Starmer  are working for the same boss some even go so far as to say Trump is as well. Could all be a show for the Goyims. 

[WDSmart]

21 hours ago, TedG said:

Who needs who?

Zelensky needs support, but hopefully, he can get it from Europe without giving away as much as Trump is asking.

[Yellowtail]

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Zelensky needs support, but hopefully, he can get it from Europe without giving away as much as Trump is asking.

Support how? Zelensky had the support of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

Do you think European parents want their kids fighting in Russia? 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Support how? Zelensky had the support of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

Do you think European parents want their kids fighting in Russia? 

Ukraine has had financial and arms support, no boots on the ground, if there were, the war would no doubt now be over.........😉

 

[Harrisfan]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Ukraine has had financial and arms support, no boots on the ground, if there were, the war would no doubt now be over.........😉

 

Go there and fight tough guy

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Ukraine has had financial and arms support, no boots on the ground, if there were, the war would no doubt now be over.........😉

 

 

And had Obama done something when Russia took Crimea, or had he just agreed to sell arms to Ukraine, it likely never would have started. But here we are. 

 

Do you think the UK should send a hundred thousand kids to fight in Russia? 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Go there and fight tough guy

You're the one with all the mouth, Dolf, get out there, take your photo collection with you.....

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

And had Obama done something when Russia took Crimea, or had he just agreed to sell arms to Ukraine, it likely never would have started. But here we are. 

 

Do you think the UK should send a hundred thousand kids to fight in Russia? 

Kid's, strange word, is that meant to give your question more credibility, Kier.......

 

Actually, my dad was called up in 1939, think he was 17/18, there are times when tyrants should be taken care of, if not, another will turn up.

Look at you, you voted in a dictator wannabe, who will send anyone down the river to stand tall looking and acting like Mussolini...now live with it...........

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Go there and fight tough guy

 

[WDSmart]

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

31 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Zelensky needs support, but hopefully, he can get it from Europe without giving away as much as Trump is asking.

Support how? Zelensky had the support of the US and most of Europe and is at an effective stalemate after a million dead and wounded and losing a quarter of his population. 

 

Do you think European parents want their kids fighting in Russia? 

Zelensky HAD the support of the US before Trump was elected. Trump just announced he was ceasing military support for Ukraine. 😞 Russia has also lost a lot of soldiers, however I don't think Putin cares about that. Russia has also spent a lot of money, which I think is more troublesome for Putin. 

I don't think anyone wants anyone to be fighting in Russia, but it might be better than fighting them in your home country. 

In any event, I think Zelensky should assume his support from the US is over as long as Trump is calling the shots there. Trump is too involved with Russia to trust. As I said earlier, hopefully, he can get enough support from Europe to keep the war at a stalemate until Russia decides it's just too costly for their economy to continue. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Kid's, strange word, is that meant to give your question more credibility, Kier.......

 

Actually, my dad was called up in 1939, think he was 17/18, there are times when tyrants should be taken care of, if not, another will turn up.

Look at you, you voted in a dictator wannabe, who will send anyone down the river to stand tall looking and acting like Mussolini...now live with it...........

Yeah, kids.  My dad was a kid when he joined after Pearl Harbor. 

 

I think you are sadly disinformed. 

 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Zelensky HAD the support of the US before Trump was elected. Trump just announced he was ceasing military support for Ukraine. 😞 Russia has also lost a lot of soldiers, however I don't think Putin cares about that. Russia has also spent a lot of money, which I think is more troublesome for Putin. 

More troublesome for Putin than for Zelensky? About 25% of Ukraine's population has fled, while Russia has lost just a few. 

 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I don't think anyone wants anyone to be fighting in Russia, but it might be better than fighting them in your home country. 

It is better from a human standpoint, but not better from a strategic standpoint. 

 

And the there are the nukes...

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

In any event, I think Zelensky should assume his support from the US is over as long as Trump is calling the shots there. Trump is too involved with Russia to trust. As I said earlier, hopefully, he can get enough support from Europe to keep the war at a stalemate until Russia decides it's just too costly for their economy to continue. 

 

I think Zelenski should go back to Trump hat-in-hand, but as that could be seen  as a will for Trump, the left won't have it. That's why they sabotaged the meeting to start with. 

 

The American left would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace deal negotiated by Trump. 

[transam]

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I have no doubt that James Taylor will be backing Ukraine, so Kier, you actually got something right for a change....Well done.........

[transam]

25 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, kids.  My dad was a kid when he joined after Pearl Harbor. 

 

I think you are sadly disinformed. 

 

And..........?