Zelensky Optimistic About Upcoming US-Ukraine Talks in Saudi Arabia

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, Tug said:

Musk is a talented engineer no doubt about that he’s also got a lot of talent working for him thats were the achievements are generated he is brilliant in that regard no doubt about it.In the field of humanity democracy emotional intelligence he is lacking big time in that arena he is indeed stupid and disconnected no doubt about it.he should stick with what he’s good at but he won’t he’s power mad.

Have you ever listened to the various Jo Rogan podcast with him?, talking unscripted for hours, just talkng about all sorts of ramdom subjects, rather than pathetic edited MSM articles... actually, that was a stupid question, of course you havent, you would never look outside you MSM bubble. That's clear by your comments here.

The guy is very interesting, you of course deny this due to you hatred of anything Trump.

[Keep Right]

At the last meeting with Trump, Zelensky played his best hand but lost to the President that wrote "The Art of the Deal." Now Zelensky will come to this meeting allot meeker than before. Zelensky has allot to lose and the man is humbled by a superior  player.

[JonnyF]

Hopefully Trump tells him to go jump.

 

The ungrateful little scrote.

[frank83628]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Hopefully Trump tells him to go jump.

 

The ungrateful little scrote.

IMO, the zman was being propped up with promises that were only effective under Biden Inc, he was their mouthpiece, and did as told, nobody expected Trump to win, but he did, and now the rug has been well n truely pulled from under his feet. Had Harris won or any other Replican, It would have continued same same, however, Trump isnt in the MIC's pocket like all the other politicians.

[metisdead]

Some baiting troll posts and replies have been removed. 

[jts-khorat]

3 hours ago, thesetat said:

I find this hard to believe given his statements about how the war will continue for a very long time still. 

The only reason Zelenski agreed to meet the US in Saudi is because the money was cut-off.. 

As long as the EU keeps funding them and the US especially. Zelenski will keep pushing for more money to fight their endless war. 

In the meantime someone should ask Zelenski how he paid for his wifes new car

https://www.voanews.com/a/fact-check-fact-check-did-ukraine-s-first-lady-purchase-4-8-million-bugatti-supercar-/7684043.html

 

Have you actually read the article you are linking to??

 

You must be incredibly stupid, because it says:

 

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RIA Novosti reported on the same day in Russian:

“Zelenskyy's wife bought one of the most expensive supercars in the world, media learned. … According to the publication [Vérité Сachée], the Tourbillon cost Zelenska 4.5 million euros.”

The news is false.

Bugatti S.A.S. told Polygraph.info that the company is “aware” of “fake news” “suggesting a recent purchase of a BUGATTI vehicle by Mrs. Olena Zelenska, the First Lady of Ukraine.”

While the company “does not normally disclose” information about its clients, “In this case, BUGATTI Automobiles S.A.S. makes an exception because it is a false report and does not correspond to the truth. According to an internal check, Mrs. Zelenska is not a BUGATTI customer,” Nicole Auger, head of Marketing and Communications at Bugatti Automobiles S.A.S., wrote in an email to Polygraph.info.

 

[Cryingdick]

Glad to hear he is in an optimistic mood, Ukraine needs a glass is half full sort of guy.

[transam]

13 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I've never said Ukraine were winning, I knew they weren't, unlike you and the herd,🐑🐑🐑🐑

😂..........Don't you mean "flock"...........😂

[transam]

12 hours ago, frank83628 said:

That's a word salad even Kamala would be envious of

Sorry you have trouble understanding near everything, one of the reasons you support a murdering invader dictator........🤕

[Autocan]

As of Friday last week the Kiev Conman has become irrelevant. He'll go back to gigs playing the piano with his dingdong or retire with the millions he's stolen. Question is who Ukraine's "Kamala Harris" is to step up to the plate. Hopefully, not a harebrain like the original.

 

Incidentally, here's an Austrian military guy explaining what Russia will take and what will be left: https://youtu.be/QTRI4MlCLrA?t=1835 

 

Specifically, all territory east of the Dniepr, Odesa plus a land corridor to Transnistria, leaving Ukraine a tiny landlocked place. Trump understands this and will blow hot and cold till it's over. Ukraine was a neocon project, not his, so he gives a rat's about the shi*hole country as he called it his first term

 

Meanwhile, there's money to made doing business with Russia, 11 time zones of mineral, gas, oil, farmlands and 150 million mid-income consumers.

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Sorry you have trouble understanding near everything, one of the reasons you support a murdering invader dictator........🤕

Cretinous maximus.

[candide]

14 hours ago, Keep Right said:

At the last meeting with Trump, Zelensky played his best hand but lost to the President that wrote "The Art of the Deal." Now Zelensky will come to this meeting allot meeker than before. Zelensky has allot to lose and the man is humbled by a superior  player.

I must admit that Putin is a better player at manipulating Trum than Zelinski.....

[spidermike007]

Well Zelensky is obviously being a bit more thoughtful about the process this time around, and I can't imagine that he's actually looking forward to negotiations when his country is not being allowed to participate, being one of the two parties of this ongoing war!

 

I'm very proud of Zelensky mouthing off to Trump and giving him an earful. Many around the world think that he made Trump and Vance look very foolish and that he deliberately baited them. Telling it like it is, and speaking truth to power.

 

But as we know it didn't go too well, however I do not think Zelensky ever wanted that, as the mineral deal was a terrible deal for you his nation. 

 

There's no doubt right now that Trump's talk of sanctions against Russia are simply something that he got permission from Putin, in order to do well in advance, and something that's just simply for the sake of the cameras and his political base, as he's looking like an absolute goon to the extent that he bows down to Russia, and pays fealty to the Russian King. 

 

I don't expect much to come out of these negotiations, and I'm hopeful the NATO gets more deeply involved in the support of Ukraine against the serial killing genocidal dictator. 

 

My heart goes out to him for having to apologize to Trump, I can only imagine what it would be like to apologize to such an undignified, and ignorant circus clown. 

 

 

[transam]

39 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Cretinous maximus.

Is that your next hero, sounds Italian to me......................

[Patong2021]

16 hours ago, transam said:

🤣...........Are you sure it wasn't a Boeing 747...............🤣

 

or maybe a castle in the sky? Makes as much sense. The Russian bots  lies keep getting exposed.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

or maybe a castle in the sky? Makes as much sense. The Russian bots  lies keep getting exposed.

Indeed, and quite tiresome.........🥱

[frank83628]

23 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well Zelensky is obviously being a bit more thoughtful about the process this time around, and I can't imagine that he's actually looking forward to negotiations when his country is not being allowed to participate, being one of the two parties of this ongoing war!

 

I'm very proud of Zelensky mouthing off to Trump and giving him an earful. Many around the world think that he made Trump and Vance look very foolish and that he deliberately baited them. Telling it like it is, and speaking truth to power.

 

But as we know it didn't go too well, however I do not think Zelensky ever wanted that, as the mineral deal was a terrible deal for you his nation. 

 

There's no doubt right now that Trump's talk of sanctions against Russia are simply something that he got permission from Putin, in order to do well in advance, and something that's just simply for the sake of the cameras and his political base, as he's looking like an absolute goon to the extent that he bows down to Russia, and pays fealty to the Russian King. 

 

I don't expect much to come out of these negotiations, and I'm hopeful the NATO gets more deeply involved in the support of Ukraine against the serial killing genocidal dictator. 

 

My heart goes out to him for having to apologize to Trump, I can only imagine what it would be like to apologize to such an undignified, and ignorant circus clown. 

 

 

Russia were not invited to talks

last year, didn't hear much objection to that!

 

At the end of the day the conflict was provoked by western interference, you can deny it all you want but they are the facts. Jens stoltenberg said openly at a NATO meeting that Russia gave multiple warnings which they ignored. Biden inc provoked things further even though Ukraine was never going to join NATO.

The minerals was always the spoils for the US, Trump has just said that part out loud and now youre all Pearl clutching. If you looked at alternative news you might have found out earlier.

Trumps surprise win has thrown a massive spanner in the works to the endless aid and backing Zman was falsely promised, no everyone is scurrying around not knowing what to do without the big bully USA to back them up.

 

 

[frank83628]

11 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

or maybe a castle in the sky? Makes as much sense. The Russian bots  lies keep getting exposed.

Haha, yeah right, like the years long lie Ukraine was winning? or the Russia hoax? or Harris is polling ahead and will win?

[transam]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Russia were not invited to talks

last year, didn't hear much objection to that!

 

At the end of the day the conflict was provoked by western interference, you can deny it all you want but they are the facts. Jens stoltenberg said openly at a NATO meeting that Russia gave multiple warnings which they ignored. Biden inc provoked things further even though Ukraine was never going to join NATO.

The minerals was always the spoils for the US, Trump has just said that part out loud and now youre all Pearl clutching. If you looked at alternative news you might have found out earlier.

Trumps surprise win has thrown a massive spanner in the works to the endless aid and backing Zman was falsely promised, no everyone is scurrying around not knowing what to do without the big bully USA to back them up.

 

 

You seem to be doing a lot of guessing again, comrade, and not a single word regarding your hero's murderous unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

 

As for your dummy, I suggest you don't pass it on, you still need it....🤔

[frank83628]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You seem to be doing a lot of guessing again, comrade, and not a single word regarding your hero's murderous unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

 

As for your dummy, I suggest you don't pass it on, you still need it....🤔

A classic transman comment, no substance whatsoever 

[transam]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

A classic transman comment, no substance whatsoever 

It's transam, chap, and remember, most stuff on here will go right over your head, but don't worry about it, eh......🤕

[Hakuna Matata]

Trump’s supposedly one-sided support for Russia over Ukraine

In the past two days, major media have highlighted what they call Donald Trump’s blatant favoritism towards Russia by his withdrawal of U.S. materiel and intel assistance to Kiev. The morning news brings accounts of the damage caused to Ukrainian energy infrastructure, hotels and residential housing by the latest massive Russian attacks, which were facilitated, they say, by the lack of relevant intel warnings to Kiev of impending attacks.

Granted that these measures cutting Kiev off from vital supplies are seen as pressure to bring Kiev to the negotiating table, they still allow the anti-Trump mainstream broadcasters to renew old accusations against Trump from the 2016 electoral campaign and then from his first term as being a friend of Putin, if not a dupe of Putin. After all, no such massive pressure is being directed at Russia, even if sanctions are threatened. Indeed, when asked by a reporter yesterday whether Putin was not taking unfair advantage of the U.S. cut-off of intel support, Trump said that Putin was just doing what anyone would do under the circumstances, fighting his fight with the greatest energy to end the war as soon as possible.

The BBC and CNN are presenting on air so-called experts, including the impossibly partisan, anti-Trump former security adviser John Bolton, to inform us of the assumed personal dimension to state-to-state relations in which President Trump is acting arbitrarily.

And what are alternative media saying about the favoritism being shown by Washington to Moscow over Kiev in the softening-up process ahead of peace talks?  Frankly speaking, nothing.  There are alternative media experts who have always been cheerleaders for Russia and they accept the present American policy reversal as normal, if belated recognition that the entire proxy war led by Joe Biden was imposed by the Deep State, which is finally getting its comeuppance as Trump and Musk wield a wrecking ball on traditional policies and institutions to solidify their own hold on power.
There are also more sophisticated experts in the alternative media who are pleased to see the positive policy threads in what the Trump administration is doing, including the massive pressure now being applied to Kiev, but do not see past the verbal contradictions and bluster of Trump’s daily appearances before the public and do not credit him with having a prioritized scenario for ending the war justifying the term ‘brilliant.’

As readers of these pages know, I do see what Trump is doing to be ‘brilliant’ because the confusion he is creating is intended to disarm his opponents, of whom there are many on Capitol Hill, as well as many in foreign capitals who are surely acting in collusion with Trump’s domestic foes.

However, in this brief essay, I put aside these issues and ask what is the objective rather than just subjective explanation of Trump’s latest moves against Kiev and mere tap on the wrist to Moscow while it blasts away generally on the battlefield and now enters into a big offensive in Kursk to encircle a large contingent of Ukrainian elite forces and to destroy others in the shrinking territory that they still control.

Trump, of course, is doing more than just shutting down the supply of weapons and war materiel to Kiev, cutting Ukraine’s access to U.S. satellite and other intelligence essential for targeting offensive missiles and drones into Russia and for its air defense. It is likely that in the coming days, Kiev will lose its access to Musk’s Starlink network of satellites that presently assure field communications. That will be devastating for the Ukrainian war effort and is not really replaceable by anything that the Europeans possesss.

There are two key explanations of what this is about.

The first is to remove the United States from its position as de-facto co-belligerent with Ukraine in the war. Though the Russians never chose to press this point, de jure they had every right to declare war on the United States over its indirect but critical participation in the war. Moreover, Trump’s claim to be an honest broker in ending the war makes sense only if the United States is not a participant aiding one side in the way it has been until now.

The second reason is to smash the false narrative of Ukraine’s ability to carry on by itself which Zelensky used in his dispute with Trump in the Oval Office.  Let us recall:  Donald Trump had told Zelensky that from the very start of the war, the Ukrainians could not have held their own against the Russians for more than a few days or a maximum of two weeks had they not received American military support.  Zelensky vehemently denied that and said that he had heard the same from Putin.

By withholding U.S. support today and letting the Russians proceed with their offensives as they wish, Donald Trump is holding Zelensky’s feet to the fire in the expectation that they will be more realistic, humbler in the peace talks which are to come. Otherwise, the Ukrainians would persist in presenting their demands for a peace that deprives Russia of what it won on the battlefield, thereby sabotaging the peace process.

In the meantime, the Europeans are doing their very best to sabotage the talks by offering material and financial aid to Kiev to continue the war indefinitely. Their problem is that they do not really have the goods to deliver on these promises.

In his own way, Trump is also messaging to the Europeans to come to their senses and acknowledge their impotence without U.S. participation. Yesterday, Washington announced that it will not participate in planning any joint military exercises with the NATO countries for the coming year.  And Defense Secretary Hegseth indicated that more than 30,000 troops will be withdrawn from Germany and reassigned to Hungary, another clear indication that those European countries which remain defiant will be punished by the Americans without delay and without hesitation. Further European defiance can only lead to the total loss of the U.S. security umbrella.

Do these measures seem to be arbitrary and issued at the personal whim of a narcistic President? Not if you are serious about your vocation as a geopolitical analyst.
 

[frank83628]

Pretty sure this covers quite a few with regards to any peace deal...

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Autocan said:

As of Friday last week the Kiev Conman has become irrelevant. He'll go back to gigs playing the piano with his dingdong or retire with the millions he's stolen. Question is who Ukraine's "Kamala Harris" is to step up to the plate. Hopefully, not a harebrain like the original.

 

Incidentally, here's an Austrian military guy explaining what Russia will take and what will be left: https://youtu.be/QTRI4MlCLrA?t=1835 

 

Specifically, all territory east of the Dniepr, Odesa plus a land corridor to Transnistria, leaving Ukraine a tiny landlocked place. Trump understands this and will blow hot and cold till it's over. Ukraine was a neocon project, not his, so he gives a rat's about the shi*hole country as he called it his first term

 

Meanwhile, there's money to made doing business with Russia, 11 time zones of mineral, gas, oil, farmlands and 150 million mid-income consumers.

What a wonderful thing honesty and truth is.

 

Do you have any actual verifiable proof that will stand up in a court?

[Autocan]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Do you have any actual verifiable proof that will stand up in a court?

Will a YT video do:

 

[billd766]

15 hours ago, Autocan said:

Will a YT video do:

 

Wow.

 

A 9 year old well out of date video.

 

Is that the best you have?