Could Trump's plan fail in a spectacular fashion?

[bamnutsak]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/business/tariffs-canada-trump/index.html

 

How about you, sport? Got a claim to detail?

 

 

your link...which indicates that trump "caved"?

 

 

Trump reverses new tariffs threat on Canada after Ontario rescinds electricity charges

 

President Donald Trump backed down from an extraordinary trade war escalation Tuesday that had threatened a massive surge in tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum and new tariffs on Canadian electricity. In turn, Ontario paused surcharges on electricity to US customers.

 

After the back-and-forth tariff threats that sent markets sharply lower for a second day Tuesday, US Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, Canada’s Minister of Finance Dominic LeBlanc and Ontario Premier Doug Ford said they would meet Thursday to renegotiate the free trade treaty known as the USMCA.

 

Ontario agreed to suspend its 25% surcharge on electricity exports to Michigan, Minnesota and New York. President Donald Trump earlier on Tuesday threatened a 50% tariff on the country’s aluminum and steel, a sharp escalation in the budding trade war with Canada in retaliation for Ontario’s export surcharge. But Trump later signaled he would back down.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/business/tariffs-canada-trump/index.html

 

 

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

Could Trump's plan fail in a spectacular fashion?

Oxymoron. Trump doesn't plan, every time he fails to achieve an orgasm he takes another step to destroy our World. This is why Trump 2 is so much worse than Trump 1.  And also explains why he has so many followers "Birds of a feather flock together".

[Dan O]

4 hours ago, jas007 said:

Not accurate? Or simply not distorted?

 

I'm not a billionaire, but never once in my life have I ever, for even one second, experienced a reality in which I had to face the world truly alone and without a safety net. To be sure, I'be been in situations where I was  totally broke,as when I was a starving law student, but that was my own doing, and I could have ended that situation at a moment's notice.  So in that regard, I can see clearly. I can see things the way Musk and others see it.  Anyway, those people have no evil intent, as far as I can tell.  I'm sure it must seem as if they do to many people, though.  They're burning Tesla's. They're firebombing Tesla dealerships. As if that will hurt Musk in the long run.  A real opportunity for investors, though.  

I think we are sayng the same thing except for intentional harm, primarily from trump but musk has his sights set on other gains for his business and is playing those cards. You cannot tell me that the vindictive actions trump has taken against any and all that disagreed with him, corrected him or were doing their job and it affected him is not intentionally meant to harm those people. He is a classic narcissist with visions of grandeur and is not fit to be president. 

 

Should waste and fraud be eliminated yes, do you slash and burn all areas of the government, economy and global presence at the same time? Absolutely not and it is already coming back on him and the USA.  Both parties were involved in putting the USA at the level and size of government and spending so its not just the Dems or lefties as many trumpers like to say. both parties had a hand at getting the US to where it is now so they both shame the blame.

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

 

your link...which indicates that trump "caved"?

 

 

Trump reverses new tariffs threat on Canada after Ontario rescinds electricity charges

 

President Donald Trump backed down from an extraordinary trade war escalation Tuesday that had threatened a massive surge in tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum and new tariffs on Canadian electricity. In turn, Ontario paused surcharges on electricity to US customers.

 

After the back-and-forth tariff threats that sent markets sharply lower for a second day Tuesday, US Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, Canada’s Minister of Finance Dominic LeBlanc and Ontario Premier Doug Ford said they would meet Thursday to renegotiate the free trade treaty known as the USMCA.

 

Ontario agreed to suspend its 25% surcharge on electricity exports to Michigan, Minnesota and New York. President Donald Trump earlier on Tuesday threatened a 50% tariff on the country’s aluminum and steel, a sharp escalation in the budding trade war with Canada in retaliation for Ontario’s export surcharge. But Trump later signaled he would back down.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/business/tariffs-canada-trump/index.html

 

 

 

 

Sure, spin all you want.

 

Winner winner winner hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

Your heads are exploding hahahahahahahahahah

[bamnutsak]

22 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It would appear at this point that Trump's seesaw approach to tariffs

 

He should host a daily game show on Fox Business, where he has two spinning wheels, one with countries, one with a percentage.

 

He could have Maria Bartoromo spin the wheels. And voila, Brazil gets a 20% blanket tariff.

 

 

 

 

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You cannot tell me that the vindictive actions trump has taken against any and all that disagreed with him, corrected him or were doing their job and it affected him is not intentionally meant to harm those people. He is a classic narcissist with visions of grandeur and is not fit to be president. 

We love what he is doing and elected him for it. I wish he would turn the dogs loose on them all. Payback is a Medevac.

 

 

 

[jas007]

16 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I think we are sayng the same thing except for intentional harm, primarily from trump but musk has his sights set on other gains for his business and is playing those cards. You cannot tell me that the vindictive actions trump has taken against any and all that disagreed with him, corrected him or were doing their job and it affected him is not intentionally meant to harm those people. He is a classic narcissist with visions of grandeur and is not fit to be president. 

 

Should waste and fraud be eliminated yes, do you slash and burn all areas of the government, economy and global presence at the same time? Absolutely not and it is already coming back on him and the USA.  Both parties were involved in putting the USA at the level and size of government and spending so its not just the Dems or lefties as many trumpers like to say. both parties had a hand at getting the US to where it is now so they both shame the blame.

Of course both parties share the blame. Wasn't it Ronald Reagan who first thought of "Starving the Beast"?  At least that was the plan.  Ask David Stockman.  Anyway, voodoo economics aside, Reagan soon changed his tune.  And ever since, the plundering of the federal treasury has continued.  Trillions flying out the door, much of for nebulous causes.  If you put everyone in congress in jail who somehow lined their pockets in the process, would there be any of them left? 

[Dan O]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

We love what he is doing and elected him for it. I wish he would turn the dogs loose on them all. Payback is a Medevac.

 

 

 

Glad you love him. I think we already know where you stand. Let us know how this ends for you as its starting to unravel already

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

He should host a daily game show on Fox Business, where he has two spinning wheels, one with countries, one with a percentage.

 

He could have Maria Bartoromo spin the wheels. And voila, Brazil gets a 20% blanket tariff.

 

 

 

 

Should be higher. Look how Brazil protects their economy. Calculate that on a F-150.

https://www.wilsonsons.com.br/en/blog/import-tax-know-what-it-is-and-how-the-calculation-is-done/#:~:text=Basically%2C the purpose of this,solutions in the domestic market.

[Dan O]

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Sure, spin all you want.

 

Winner winner winner hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

Your heads are exploding hahahahahahahahahah

Might want to check up on the latest news their buddy. You the emotional one in all your replies. 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Glad you love him. I think we already know where you stand. Let us know how this ends for you as its starting to unravel already

I dont love him. I love me and my family and my country. Hes doing what I think is advisable and correct.

 

My investment dude doesnt have any problems with whats going on, but Im a long term guy.

[Dan O]

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Of course both parties share the blame. Wasn't it Ronald Reagan who first thought of "Starving the Beast"?  At least that was the plan.  Ask David Stockman.  Anyway, voodoo economics aside, Reagan soon changed his tune.  And ever since, the plundering of the federal treasury has continued.  Trillions flying out the door, much of for nebulous causes.  If you put everyone in congress in jail who somehow lined their pockets in the process, would there be any of them left? 

Thats correct but it goes back farther than Regan. I see you avoided the other issue of intentional harm.

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

I dont love him. I love me and my family and my country. Hes doing what I think is advisable and correct.

 

My investment dude doesnt have any problems with whats going on, but Im a long term guy.

You've already established your love for him multiple times in your posts. Apparently you're not a long term guy if you think what he's doing is right and advisable. Seems your more short-sighted and ignorant of the repercussions that have already started. But we expect that from you and several other on here.

[Yagoda]

18 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Might want to check up on the latest news their buddy. You the emotional one in all your replies. 

Latest news?

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/world/ukraine-us-talks-saudi-arabia-intl/index.html

Huh. Now for the screws on Vlad. Maybe do some  air exercises with the Finns and the Poles.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/business/tariffs-canada-trump/index.html

Canada caves hahahahahah

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/europe/analysis-trump-russia-ukraine-ceasefire-intl-latam/index.html

O dear? CNN is supporting Trump?

 

Now of course, all is not rosy. Looks like the Socialists are interfering in elections

https://unherd.com/newsroom/liberals-should-be-outraged-by-calin-georgescus-election-ban/

 

Im having a fab day, how about you?

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I dont love him. I love me and my family and my country. Hes doing what I think is advisable and correct.

 

My investment dude doesnt have any problems with whats going on, but Im a long term guy.

Nice to read today a piece that lines up with my thoughts, yes, a good start to my day, and not sitting in a commy country.....😉

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/opinion-5-uncomfortable-truths-trump-133000360.html

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Nice to read today a piece that lines up with my thoughts, yes, a good start to my day, and not sitting in a commy country.....😉

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/opinion-5-uncomfortable-truths-trump-133000360.html

Confirming the Ukrainian propaganda you read and wash your brain with.

[transam]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Well at least you are honest about the Ukrainian propaganda you read.

I read a lot, of course people like you will twist it to 'propaganda' just to fit into your/their narrative...🤭

But, expected, I am so glad I am not full of hot air, eh.........😉...........🤭

[ronnie50]

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

You can play the short term clown or you can look at the long term effects tariffs will have, make US products more attractive and save and create US jobs. Not to mention fill US coffers with tariff money.

No it won't 'make US products more attractive and save and create US jobs' - at least not in any substantial way. There is a reason US industries and companies import products, particulalry raw materials from Canada, likw steel, aluminium, minerals, copper, etc.

 

It's because US manufacturers of raw materials closed shop when everything was cheaper to make and ship from China. Canada was the next best choice (for steel/aluminium), so they imported from there. The US steel/aluminium manufactures cannot quickly upscale production to meet demand, so while they try hard, and hire a few more hands, imports are still needed at 25-50%. That doesn't make US final products more attractive at all. It makes them more expensive. 

 

Finally, on the notion of filling US (treasury) coffers with more money. Sure, that will happen. And where do you suppose it will go? To rebuild the US's 1950s infrastructure (Interstate highways, bridges, airports, schools, etc. or better social security and public health care)? Of course not. Trump will turn it into more tax cuts - which mean little to nothing to the majority if they're making 15-20 bucks an hour in some service sector job.

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You've already established your love for him multiple times in your posts. Apparently you're not a long term guy if you think what he's doing is right and advisable. Seems your more short-sighted and ignorant of the repercussions that have already started. But we expect that from you and several other on here.

Yes I have had this silly little troll conversation with you before. Please show me the posts where I have shown my "love" for Trump. Ive called your bovine faeces out before and you slunk away right?

 

My investment advisor is happy and we are WINNING so much Im getting tired of winning. Are you worried about Vlad on your border?

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

which mean little to nothing to the majority if they're making 15-20 bucks an hour in some service sector job.

Guess you have never worked one.

[ronnie50]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Tarrifs work, Canada just caved again.

They're just palying the game with him. This is going to hurt everyone sooner than later.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Yes I have had this silly little troll conversation with you before. Please show me the posts where I have shown my "love" for Trump. Ive called your bovine faeces out before and you slunk away right?

 

My investment advisor is happy and we are WINNING so much Im getting tired of winning. Are you worried about Vlad on your border?

Why is it you always have to stoop so low to write schoolboy put downs in your posts....?  🤔

 

Being narcistic daily, really shows you to be lacking in something......🤫

[ronnie50]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Guess you have never worked one.

Sure have.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, ronnie50 said:

Sure have.

Guess an extra $40-50 in your pay meant nothing

[Dan O]

34 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Latest news?

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/world/ukraine-us-talks-saudi-arabia-intl/index.html

Huh. Now for the screws on Vlad. Maybe do some  air exercises with the Finns and the Poles.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/business/tariffs-canada-trump/index.html

Canada caves hahahahahah

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/europe/analysis-trump-russia-ukraine-ceasefire-intl-latam/index.html

O dear? CNN is supporting Trump?

 

Now of course, all is not rosy. Looks like the Socialists are interfering in elections

https://unherd.com/newsroom/liberals-should-be-outraged-by-calin-georgescus-election-ban/

 

Im having a fab day, how about you?

I already know the news so don't need any links but you may want to read more yourself. My day is always great.

[Dan O]

23 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yes I have had this silly little troll conversation with you before. Please show me the posts where I have shown my "love" for Trump. Ive called your bovine faeces out before and you slunk away right?

 

My investment advisor is happy and we are WINNING so much Im getting tired of winning. Are you worried about Vlad on your border?

Read your own posts and you see your comments.

 

I never shrunk away so don't gaslight.  You have circular agruments seldom any facts just lip service.  When you do that there is no reason to continue the same discussion as you cant argue with stupid.

 

If you think the US is winning you and you advisor are in for a shock. 

[0ffshore360]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Guess you dont read even the news in your bubble.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2y811g1dgo

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/11/business/tariffs-canada-trump/index.html

 

How about you, sport? Got a claim to detail?

How is that a win for trump? It was he  who backed down in the face of electricity surcharges.

 

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Read your own posts and you see your comments.

Translation: I have nothing.

 

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I never shrunk away so don't gasligh

Translation: I just slunk away again.

 

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You have circular agruments seldom any facts just lip service.

Point it out then.

 

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

When you do that there is no reason to continue the same discussion as you cant argue with stupid.

Translation: You are smarter than me and I cant match your arguments, plus your recitation of the truth makes me question my own beliefs so I will just flame you for my own ego needs.

 

6 minutes ago, Dan O said:

 

If you think the US is winning you and you advisor are in for a shock. 

They have been right since we started with them in 1932.

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

How is that a win for trump? It was he  who backed down in the face of electricity surcharges.

 

 

Im glad you are trying to make yourself feel better. LOL

[0ffshore360]

Just now, Yagoda said:

 

Im glad you are trying to make yourself feel better. LOL

Strange spin attempt.