Obese People on Plane Seats.

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Obese people are mostly addicts who do not respect themselves or others.  Abusing their bodies and raising medical costs for everyone else. Selfish and disgusting. 

 

Some are...  but you are painting with a very broad brush...   

 

Of course you are 175cm 75kg, 6 pack adorned adonis - right ?

 

11 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Tell them to take a bus or walk.

 

Perhaps there should be IQ tests before boarding too...    Tell them to take the bus or walk to Thailand ???

[GammaGlobulin]

Is there any weight limit capacity for an airline seat?

How much weight are they designed to hold, anyway?

 

For sure, they can take a LOT:

 

 

Also, if you want to increase your chances of not being required to sit next to large people, then probably best not to often fly to and from SAMOA.

 

Maybe the best strategy would be to offer REALLY heavy people a FIRST CLASS SEAT discount.

 

Seems the democratic thing to do, obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Decent non bigoted human beings object to it....   

 

but who bares the cost? they provide a service: one seat per passenger. If you exceed the one seat you're using extra services and should compensate them.

[GammaGlobulin]

Anyway, I have nothing against fat people.

II do NOT believe that one can hold them culpable for their weight.

If one knows ANYTHING about biology, and human behavior, then one should speak in a more enlightened way.

Some don't know much, and so they utter statements which are not factually accurate.

 

I once had a friend who was very fat.

We were good buddies.

His name was Stan.

A really cool dude, and he also had a hot, intelligent wife.

 

Also, I am OK with this song:

 

 

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

but who bares the cost? they provide a service: one seat per passenger. If you exceed the one seat you're using extra services and should compensate them.

 

On a lot of occasions there are free seats...  Many flights I take, I get a spare seat next to me, especially on the good airlines where the check-in crew do a decent job of 'spreading' people about the air-craft.... 

... on those flights, sure, give the 'obese' or 'very large' person the spare seat, it doesn't hurt anyone, its just good customer service.

 

But, if a flight is fully booked and a large / obese person can't fit in a seat, then thats a more difficult situation that needs handling delicately... If they can't fit into a seat, ultimately, they can't fit and they can't travel. 

 

 

[Yolando]

40 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Maybe the best strategy would be to offer REALLY heavy people a FIRST CLASS SEAT discount.

 

Seems the democratic thing to do, obviously.

 

Not exactly fair either.  I don't ever fly cattle class, and I'm going to be complaining if obese people are paying less than me just because they are obese.

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, Yolando said:

51 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Maybe the best strategy would be to offer REALLY heavy people a FIRST CLASS SEAT discount.

 

Seems the democratic thing to do, obviously.

 

Not exactly fair either.  I don't ever fly cattle class, and I'm going to be complaining if obese people are paying less than me just because they are obese.

 

Agreed...    I certainly dont agree with providing the privilege of a first or business class seat at discount just because someone is obese... 

 

but....  as mentioned, on a flight that isn't full, there's no harm in giving them the next seat, for both their benefit and the poor soul who might otherwise be squashed in next to them... 

 

With full flights the conundrum becomes more complex and perhaps a second seat purchased (and no harm in offering a discount there, child seats are discounted after all).

[GammaGlobulin]

31 minutes ago, Yolando said:

 

Not exactly fair either.  I don't ever fly cattle class, and I'm going to be complaining if obese people are paying less than me just because they are obese.

 

You could always go on a CRASH-BIG-MAC diet and UP YOUR GAME....if you like.

If you can beat them, then just join them.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed...    I certainly dont agree with providing the privilege of a first or business class seat at discount just because someone is obese... 

 

but....  as mentioned, on a flight that isn't full, there's no harm in giving them the next seat, for both their benefit and the poor soul who might otherwise be squashed in next to them... 

 

With full flights the conundrum becomes more complex and perhaps a second seat purchased (and no harm in offering a discount there, child seats are discounted after all).

 

What about if the child has not been born yet, but almost born?

 

[Yolando]

9 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

What about if the child has not been born yet, but almost born?

The lady wouldn't be allowed to fly then.  Woman can't fly when near full term.  The exact policy depends on the airline, but I think most are something like more than 6-7 months are not allowed to fly.

[cdemundo]

2 hours ago, henryford1958 said:

Reminds me of a funny story. My girlfriend and i were waiting for a flight and we saw a really fat guy in the boarding area. We laughed and said pity the poor passenger sat next to him.  When we were boarding we made our way down the aisle and bu**er me the fat guy was sat on our row of three seats !!

So what was the funny story you were reminded of?

[Kinok Farang]

3 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

I realise there is another topic about plane seats right now. But I am only interested in one thing, as someone who has never had a problem with fat people taking up part of my seat, I just want to know what you would do if you were on a flight for about 12 hour's and a very fat person was taking up a part of your seat especially if you were a 6ft tall person weighing around 78 Ks like me.

Not very nice to talk about Americans like that.

[Kinok Farang]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Some are...  but you are painting with a very broad brush...   

 

Of course you are 175cm 75kg, 6 pack adorned adonis - right ?

 

 

Perhaps there should be IQ tests before boarding too...    Tell them to take the bus or walk to Thailand ???

My mate took the train to Thailand from the UK,20 years ago.

[Kinok Farang]

5 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

So what was the funny story you were reminded of?

Sarky😉.

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

My mate took the train to Thailand from the UK,20 years ago.

 

Has he arrived yet ?

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What about if the child has not been born yet, but almost born?

 

 

I thought you claimed a high IQ  ???...       

 

After 36 weeks: Most airlines do not allow travel due to the increased risk of labour starting mid-flight.

[GammaGlobulin]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I thought you claimed a high IQ  ???...       

 

After 36 weeks: Most airlines do not allow travel due to the increased risk of labour starting mid-flight.

 

Must be something new.

Also, I have been in Asia since 1970s.

 

There is a lot I don't know about airlines.

I have not flown since 2015.

 

I think Domestic Airlines in Taiwan had no such rule, two decades ago.

 

Anyway, back in the day, very pregnant women were welcomed on Taiwan Buses at any stage of development.

 

If they could climb the first step into the bus, then they were Good To Go.

 

[steven100]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Airlines reserve the right to make the plus sized passenger pay for two seats.

and this is what should be the norm,  an obese person ...  if considered somewhat overweight ,  then they should be forced to buy two seats ..... then no issue.    imo

[Yolando]

38 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

My mate took the train to Thailand from the UK,20 years ago.

Strange, because thats only been possible for the last year or two after the train through Laos was completed.  Maybe he went as far as China 20 years ago, but not Thailand. 

 

I've actually done the whole trip, London to Singapore, but on different trips, not all at once.  The longest I did in one trip was Europe to Beijing.

[JBChiangRai]

There are always unnecessary problems when revenue and cost models are not aligned.

 

The airline’s variable cost is fuel and it’s linked to weight (drag increases with weight).  But it’s revenue model is PAX not weight.

 

As someone previously stated, logic dictates the ticket cost should be linked to weight of passenger and his luggage.

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

and this is what should be the norm,  an obese person ...  if considered somewhat overweight ,  then they should be forced to buy two seats ..... then no issue.    imo

And the same rule should apply to recliners every click on the recline should invoked a debit charge on your payment card and the person behind you should receive those funds as you have stolen their space

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

I realise there is another topic about plane seats right now. But I am only interested in one thing, as someone who has never had a problem with fat people taking up part of my seat, I just want to know what you would do if you were on a flight for about 12 hour's and a very fat person was taking up a part of your seat especially if you were a 6ft tall person weighing around 78 Ks like me.

 

You deal with it like any mature person would.  Respectfully. 

 

If the other person were 'so obese' they were overflowing uncomfortably into my seat, I'd quietly speak with the flight attendants and ask if there was a seat I could be moved to with more space.

[TedG]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Decent non bigoted human beings object to it....   

 

Someone may be large through no fault of their own - medical conditions etc... 

 

Transporting 100kgs of trim muscle also costs more than a 40kg slim lady...  should the lady get a discount ???.... 

There are a few edge cases to when it comes to size.   Most people are large because they eat too damn much.  The world is growing fatter by the year.    According the WHO 15% of people are obese, and 43% are over weight.   

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And the same rule should apply to recliners every click on the recline should invoked a debit charge on your payment card and the person behind you should receive those funds as you have stolen their space

 

Rubbish.... Its peoples right to recline their seats...    Just do so respectfully.

 

- Don't recline the seat at meal times.

- Don't slam the seat back, but look first and recline it gently. 

- Don't 'slam' the seat back up either, but do so carefully.

 

Just basic respect...   but the idea that someone in front cannot 'recline' their seat on a long flight is moronic... 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

and this is what should be the norm,  an obese person ...  if considered somewhat overweight ,  then they should be forced to buy two seats ..... then no issue.    imo

A number of airlines allow/suggest this. The problem comes when a "passenger of size" does the right thing and buys two seats, but the airline gives one away. Or breaks the two seats up into separate rows...

 

In any case, the best thing to do is make sure the armrest is down at all times.  If the POS has raised it before you get to your seat, just put it down again. If they complain, just say "sorry, it is an issue of safety and compliance". Which it is- armrests have to be down for takeoff and landing on every airline I know.  If the hefty person persists, call the flight crew and explain to THEM that it is not an issue of comfort but of safety and compliance.  But don't let someone claim half your seat.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, TedG said:

There are a few edge cases to when it comes to size.   Most people are large because they eat too damn much.  The world is growing fatter by the year.    According the WHO 15% of people are obese, and 43% are over weight.   

 

My Dr told me I was getting obese....      because all she did was look at my hight and weight and calculated a BMI based on weight and height only (I'd been working out a lot)....    she didn't factor muscle mass at all.. 

 

On the BMI index I am considered overweight..     again, thats not a true index of body fat or muscle.

 

Thus: I'm not quite sure of the stats here...   

 

Though I understand many are over weight - I look around at many folk and see that they are 'fat'... its quite common...  so perhaps the stats are right. 

 

In fact - whenever I'm out in a pub, I'm in the minority of physiques, or it feels like that - everyone else looks a bit 'lardy' so much so I'm surprised theirs such an anti-fattie sentiment on this thread.... 

 

Either that, or all the lazy big eaters and drinkers are keeping very quiet !!!  

 

 

[steven100]

25 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And the same rule should apply to recliners every click on the recline should invoked a debit charge on your payment card and the person behind you should receive those funds as you have stolen their space

what a stupid non-common sense idea ...   reclining seats are part of how the airline operates. 

 

You buy a ticket, get a seat and it can recline.   Now ....   a person wanting to recline should politely ask the person behind if they are ok with that,  also,  don't recline at meal times and respect others, 

maybe you don't respect others  ....    you sound like you don't.

[Keeps]

I think obese people and all young children should be made to sit outside or stored in the hold. 

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Rubbish.... Its peoples right to recline their seats...    Just do so respectfully.

 

- Don't recline the seat at meal times.

- Don't slam the seat back, but look first and recline it gently. 

- Don't 'slam' the seat back up either, but do so carefully.

 

Just basic respect...   but the idea that someone in front cannot 'recline' their seat on a long flight is moronic... 

I disagree and there are more and more airlines now adopting fixed shell seats to so recliner stealing space is no longer an issue

The fixed shell seat is designed so that the seat reclines forward and down within the fixed space of the seat, instead of back into the space of the seat behind

When a person in front reclines they are stealing the space of the person behind in the same way that if an obese person is sitting next to you their body mass can encroach into another seat

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Keeps said:

I think obese people and all young children should be made to sit outside or stored in the hold. 

 

Thats the way this thread is going... I'm surprised people haven't already suggested that fat people are shot before boarding and babies and children drugged to unconsciousness... 

 

.... Just so the boomers and sit there and drink as much alcohol as they can in peace and relative comfort...