Putin agrees to 30-day halt on energy facility strikes, Ukraine signals support

[sharot724]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not this part of the statement then?

welcomed "the progress President Trump has made towards a ceasefire” 

 

Show me what your progress, if any  you feel has benn made?

Eric pointed out the farce is all that this is, been posted.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, sharot724 said:

Show me what your progress, if any  you feel has benn made?

Eric pointed out the farce is all that this is, been posted.

My progress? What farce?

[sharot724]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

My progress? What farce?

missunderstood dude

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, sharot724 said:

missunderstood dude

 

Are you referring to the progress Downing Street and Macron referred to? Read the link dude

[sharot724]

Imagine what the reacton to a Trump success would be. 

Single handed rced a world Wide vaccine and then peace from Russia!

[sharot724]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Are you referring to the progress Downing Street and Macron referred to? Read the link dude

not al all???

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, sharot724 said:

not al all???

So what progress are you claiming I stated then?

[sharot724]

"the progress President Trump has made towards a ceasefire” 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, sharot724 said:

"the progress President Trump has made towards a ceasefire” 

Yes. A quote from Downing Street and echoed by Macron....lol

[sharot724]

your words i hoped to hear more is that a bother?

[sharot724]

yes and

[sharot724]

too much effort

[jas007]

2 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Really? All the Donbas?

Reality check time:  at this junction, neither the USA nor  any Europeean country that's inclined to get involved could successfully sustain a ground war against Russia and successfully retake what is now Russia.  Impossible.  Those are the facts.   Anyone who understands how armies work will tell you the same thing.   

 

And yet we continue to hear delusional nonsense from some European countries and from the head of the EU.  

 

In any event, Trump is a realist and wants the killing to stop.  Putin will not compromise on issues that are existential for Russia. No NATO for Ukraine, ever. No foreign boots on the ground, wearing a NATO costume or otherwise. And they are not going to cease the current offensive except in one very limited circumstance as agreed to by Putin.  

 

It's over.  

 

And now, the warmongers need a new "forever war."  The  Middle East fits the bill, I think.  And that one will be big trouble. 

[jas007]

2 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Really? All the Donbas?

Reality check time:  at this junction, neither the USA nor  any Europeean country that's inclined to get involved could successfully sustain a ground war against Russia and successfully retake what is now Russia.  Impossible.  Those are the facts.   Anyone who understands how armies work will tell you the same thing.   

 

And yet we continue to hear delusional nonsense from some European countries and from the head of the EU.  

 

In any event, Trump is a realist and wants the killing to stop.  Putin will not compromise on issues that are existential for Russia. No NATO for Ukraine, ever. No foreign boots on the ground, wearing a NATO costume or otherwise. And they are not going to cease the current offensive except in one very limited circumstance as agreed to by Putin.  

 

It's over.  

 

And now, the warmongers need a new "forever war."  The  Middle East fits the bill, I think.  And that one will be big trouble. 

[jas007]

2 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Really? All the Donbas?

Reality check time:  at this junction, neither the USA nor  any Europeean country that's inclined to get involved could successfully sustain a ground war against Russia and successfully retake what is now Russia.  Impossible.  Those are the facts.   Anyone who understands how armies work will tell you the same thing.   

 

And yet we continue to hear delusional nonsense from some European countries and from the head of the EU.  

 

In any event, Trump is a realist and wants the killing to stop.  Putin will not compromise on issues that are existential for Russia. No NATO for Ukraine, ever. No foreign boots on the ground, wearing a NATO costume or otherwise. And they are not going to cease the current offensive except in one very limited circumstance as agreed to by Putin.  

 

It's over.  

 

And now, the warmongers need a new "forever war."  The  Middle East fits the bill, I think.  And that one will be big trouble. 

[CallumWK]

11 hours ago, Social Media said:

Talks aimed at advancing toward a broader peace plan will begin immediately, the White House said following a lengthy call between the two leaders, but it was unclear whether Ukraine will be involved.

 

Yeah, why would Ukraine need to be involved? ????????

 

[steven100]

Just flatten Moscow and Putin Palaces.  imo

[sharot724]

Putin will never negotiate as it is not part of his lifes make up, To date.

[jas007]

30 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Yeah, why would Ukraine need to be involved? ????????

 

Especially with Zelenskyy at the helm.  Look for him to be gone soon. 

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Especially with Zelenskyy at the helm.  Look for him to be gone soon. 

He said he will resign if Ukraine can secure lasting permanent peace. That's a patriot speaking. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

So if I understand - peace = no people being blown to smithereens = something democrats couldnt bring in years = Trump bad wah wah wah

Hope I understand correctly?

Meanwhile back on planet reality, thank you Donald Trump for saving so many lives and winding back the doomsday clocks from democrats 1 second to armaggedon, your negotiating skills are off the charts. Time to write a book on how to deal??

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So if I understand - peace = no people being blown to smithereens = something democrats couldnt bring in years = Trump bad wah wah wah

Hope I understand correctly?

Meanwhile back on planet reality, thank you Donald Trump for saving so many lives and winding back the doomsday clocks from democrats 1 second to armaggedon, your negotiating skills are off the charts. Time to write a book on how to deal??

A book called "Art of the deal - the sarcastic version". 

[NoDisplayName]

3 hours ago, Hellfire said:

"Partial (limited) ceasefire"... hahaha... Who has invented this term?  What next? Partial peace? 

 

Who indeed.

Twas the little nazi him/her/themselves.

 

Ukraine will propose a limited ceasefire during talks with the US in Saudi Arabia, officials say

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-rubio-us-saudi-arabia-8f1b9d30915d6e0590dab7e54fe02475

[spidermike007]

I agree not to strike refineries nor any other energy facilities, however please let me continue to massacre women and children, as I consider that to be extremely fulfilling and satisfying, and since Trump's not really putting any pressure on me, I can do whatever the hell I want. Nobody can do anything to hurt me. I am the Sith Lord. 

[Hellfire]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Reality check time:  at this junction, neither the USA nor  any Europeean country that's inclined to get involved could successfully sustain a ground war against Russia and successfully retake what is now Russia.  Impossible.  Those are the facts.   Anyone who understands how armies work will tell you the same thing.   

 

And yet we continue to hear delusional nonsense from some European countries and from the head of the EU.  

 

In any event, Trump is a realist and wants the killing to stop.  Putin will not compromise on issues that are existential for Russia. No NATO for Ukraine, ever. No foreign boots on the ground, wearing a NATO costume or otherwise. And they are not going to cease the current offensive except in one very limited circumstance as agreed to by Putin.  

 

It's over.  

 

And now, the warmongers need a new "forever war."  The  Middle East fits the bill, I think.  And that one will be big trouble. 

 

 Next, I suppose, is an attack on Finland and Sweden. Both obtained NATO membership while Putin was countering the ‘existential threat to Russia’—a threat that was merely a hypothetical possibility—of Ukraine joining NATO. Additionally, the Baltic states, once part of the former empire, have been NATO members for over 20 years. Then there’s Poland, also former Russian empire territory and a NATO member. This presents numerous ‘existential threats’ for Russia and potentially many wars ahead. Is the ‘orange clown’ prepared to pacify Putin and his feelings of being threatened by almost all of Russia’s neighbors?

P.S. one must be a true MAGA village-idiot to believe these tales of Russian propaganda about their country (a nuclear superpower) being existentially threatened by its small neighbors without nukes. And these are the same small countries which were constantly terrified by the Russian Empire over 3-4 centuries (never the other way around!).

[jas007]

16 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

 

 Next, I suppose, is an attack on Finland and Sweden. Both obtained NATO membership while Putin was countering the ‘existential threat to Russia’—a threat that was merely a hypothetical possibility—of Ukraine joining NATO. Additionally, the Baltic states, once part of the former empire, have been NATO members for over 20 years. Then there’s Poland, also former Russian empire territory and a NATO member. This presents numerous ‘existential threats’ for Russia and potentially many wars ahead. Is the ‘orange clown’ prepared to pacify Putin and his feelings of being threatened by almost all of Russia’s neighbors?

P.S. one must be a true MAGA village-idiot to believe these tales of Russian propaganda about their country (a nuclear superpower) being existentially threatened by its small neighbors without nukes. And these are the same small countries which were constantly terrified by the Russian Empire over 3-4 centuries (never the other way around!).

During his first term, and likely under the influence of John Bolton, a card carrying Neocon, Trump cancelled some short and intermediate range missile treaties. And so now Russia is concerned with its strategic assets inside Russia being within proximity of those kinds of missiles.  It's part of the Russia strategic defense system and part of their "trip wire" system.  And whether you like it of not, and whether the EU or any other of Russia's neighboring states likes it or not, that's how Russia sees it.  That is the reality Trump is dealing with. The more Russia is surrounded, the more they'll push back and expand.

 

The best way forward?  Stop now and end the war. It's already over. Russia won and mo one can take back the territory they've returned to Russia. In other words, the West should quit while it's "ahead," so to speak. 

[CallumWK]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So if I understand - peace = no people being blown to smithereens = something democrats couldnt bring in years = Trump bad wah wah wah

 

Can you remind us when the cease fire started ?

[candide]

Ooops

[candide]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

During his first term, and likely under the influence of John Bolton, a card carrying Neocon, Trump cancelled some short and intermediate range missile treaties. And so now Russia is concerned with its strategic assets inside Russia being within proximity of those kinds of missiles.  It's part of the Russia strategic defense system and part of their "trip wire" system.  And whether you like it of not, and whether the EU or any other of Russia's neighboring states likes it or not, that's how Russia sees it.  That is the reality Trump is dealing with. The more Russia is surrounded, the more they'll push back and expand.

 

The best way forward?  Stop now and end the war. It's already over. Russia won and mo one can take back the territory they've returned to Russia. In other words, the West should quit while it's "ahead," so to speak. 

Well, that's what Russian propaganda says...🙂

[Hellfire]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

During his first term, and likely under the influence of John Bolton, a card carrying Neocon, Trump cancelled some short and intermediate range missile treaties. And so now Russia is concerned with its strategic assets inside Russia being within proximity of those kinds of missiles.  It's part of the Russia strategic defense system and part of their "trip wire" system.  And whether you like it of not, and whether the EU or any other of Russia's neighboring states likes it or not, that's how Russia sees it.  That is the reality Trump is dealing with. The more Russia is surrounded, the more they'll push back and expand.

 

The best way forward?  Stop now and end the war. It's already over. Russia won and mo one can take back the territory they've returned to Russia. In other words, the West should quit while it's "ahead," so to speak. 

 Are you sure that your Tsar will not decide to attack other neigbours after successful attack on Ukraine? Estonia? Latvia? There is some Russian population there, a nice pretext for the another invasion. Also - very close to Leningrad and Moscow, all those Estonians only wait for is to launch a missile attack on Kremlin!