Hungary to Restrict LGBTQ Rights and Dual Citizenship in Proposed Constitutional Amendments

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Somehow I dont see Latex jockstrap clad dudes with Nun Habits and Burt Reynolds mustaches as representative of equality and justice. I see them more as symbols of deep moral degradation, narcissism and mental illness.

I think you’ve just told us more than you intended to.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Well there's quite a difference between letting people engage in sodomy between males and "celebrating" it, as you advocated, as part of "human dignity". Seems to me there's nothing dignified about it.

 

There is actually a big connection between homosexuality and paedophilia, for instance some homosexual politicians have openly advocated for lowering the age of consent for boys, a great number of paedophiles are homosexual.

 

It is not a leap at all from homosexuality to other paraphilias of a sexual nature. All of them are not a majority pursuit. Why do we, the majority, have to celebrate these paraphilias and privilege them? With government subsidies no less?

 

 

You don’t have to celebrate anything, nobody is forcing you to join any parades.

 

You do however get to provide links to claims you offer up as facts:

 

Give it your best shot.

[Sir Dude]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

That benefit them, huh? Like trying to legislate EQUAL civil rights. God forbid.

It's true we don't need to visit or move to anti gay countries but perhaps have some feeling for gay Hungarians living ther.

Sounds like a bleeding-heart far-left post there that implies that your opinion should be blanketly applied to all, CCP style, when so many disagree. Maybe you shouldn't try to oppress your will onto others? Let countries do as they see fit... even if that annoys you.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Sir Dude said:

Sounds like a bleeding-heart far-left post there that implies that your opinion should be blanketly applied to all, CCP style, when so many disagree. Maybe you shouldn't try to oppress your will onto others? Let countries do as they see fit... even if that annoys you.

Who's not letting them?

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

At least you are not shy about displaying your homophobia, although whether that is a good thing is another matter.

 

Please don't attribute false statements to me. Point out where I "advocated celebrating sodomy as part of human dignity"? A sad state of affairs when you have to lie to make a point 

 

I'm completely indifferent to 'Pride' events until they disrupt my schedule. In such cases, I'd probably be pretty cheesed off about things and all in favour of banning it. However, I would be equally as cheesed off about any event which disrupts my routine as I'm basically a miserable sod.

 

 

And yet studies have shown that paedophiles are more heterosexually orientated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2002/06/29/pedophilia-and-homosexuality/b385cfb3-8b58-449d-8af9-0cfdcd278978/

 

 

No one is asking you to celebrate 'Pride'. You can ignore it as I do.

 

There is sometimes a need to protect minorities against the bigotry of the majority.

 

I am not afraid of homosexuality at all. Indeed, if that is a what a guy likes, go for it, whatever floats your boat, Lord knows my sexual preferences are not mainstream. What people do in their bedroom is up to them. But I do not get a parade,  I do not get subsidised by the taxpayer for my sexual kinks. Nobody celebrates my human dignity because I prefer this or that sexual practice. So do not tell me I have to celebrate males engaging in sodomy for their human dignity. That is a bit much frankly.

 

Regarding the point about paedophilia and homomsexuality, among paedophiles an astounding 25% are exclusively or primarily interested in boys.

 

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/homosexuality-and-paedophilia

 

If you consider that the prevalence of homosexuality in the population ranges from 0.5% to 4%, the fact that 25% of paedophiles primarily or exclusively target boys very obviously shows that pedophilia is significantly more prevalent among homosexuals. Of course the Washington Post can skew the numbers in the direction of political correctness to "celebrate the dignity" of homosexuals, by claiming that 75% of paedophiles are heterosexuals, which would be correct, however, if you factor in the actual number of homosexuals in society and their prevalence among paedophiles a very different picture quickly emerges.

[RayC]

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am not afraid of homosexuality at all. Indeed, if that is a what a guy likes, go for it, whatever floats your boat, Lord knows my sexual preferences are not mainstream. What people do in their bedroom is up to them. But I do not get a parade,  I do not get subsidised by the taxpayer for my sexual kinks. Nobody celebrates my human dignity because I prefer this or that sexual practice. So do not tell me I have to celebrate males engaging in sodomy for their human dignity. That is a bit much frankly.

 

I didn't say that you were afraid of homosexuality; I said that you were homophobic.

 

I know a number of gay individuals/couples (of both genders). To the best of my knowledge, none of them gets a parade either: I've not enquired, but I also doubt very much whether they receive a government subsidy to satisfy any sexual kinks that they may or may not have.

 

As I said before, you don't have to celebrate anything.

 

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Regarding the point about paedophilia and homomsexuality, among paedophiles an astounding 25% are exclusively or primarily interested in boys.

 

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/homosexuality-and-paedophilia

 

If you consider that the prevalence of homosexuality in the population ranges from 0.5% to 4%, the fact that 25% of paedophiles primarily or exclusively target boys very obviously shows that pedophilia is significantly more prevalent among homosexuals. Of course the Washington Post can skew the numbers in the direction of political correctness to "celebrate the dignity" of homosexuals, by claiming that 75% of paedophiles are heterosexuals, which would be correct, however, if you factor in the actual number of homosexuals in society and their prevalence among paedophiles a very different picture quickly emerges.

 

It is you who is skewing the figures. Given that 96% of the population are heterosexual, the absolute number of heterosexual paedophiles far outnumbers the number of homosexuals.

 

In any event, the best rebuttal to your 25% figure - which incidentally I cannot find any reference to - and your (apparent) homophobia comes from the authors of the study in which this figure supposedly appears

 

"To prevent misunderstanding or misuse of their studies on fraternal birth order in pedophiles, the researchers have stressed that any conclusion that homosexual pedophilia shares an etiological factor with androphilia does not imply that ordinary homosexual men (androphiles) are likely to molest boys, any more than the conclusion that heterosexual pedophilia shares an etiological factor with gynephilia would imply that ordinary heterosexual men (gynephiles) are likely to molest girls".

[NoDisplayName]

This looks most promising......

 

Buy real estate.

No tax on pensions.

PR after only 3 years.

No sick water buffalo.

 

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[Cameroni]

25 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

 

 

It is you who is skewing the figures. Given that 96% of the population are heterosexual, the absolute number of heterosexual paedophiles far outnumbers the number of homosexuals.

 

 

See, this is purposeful misrepresentation. Nobody can be this dumb. I said clearly above that the absolute number of paedophiles that are heterosexual is greater, however, this does not give you the real picture. Obviously BECAUSE 96% of the population is heterosexual, if you have 25% of paedophiles only interested in boys that CLEARLY shows that the preponderance for paedophilia is far greater among homosexuals than among heterosexuals.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am not afraid of homosexuality at all. Indeed, if that is a what a guy likes, go for it, whatever floats your boat, Lord knows my sexual preferences are not mainstream. What people do in their bedroom is up to them. But I do not get a parade,  I do not get subsidised by the taxpayer for my sexual kinks. Nobody celebrates my human dignity because I prefer this or that sexual practice. So do not tell me I have to celebrate males engaging in sodomy for their human dignity. That is a bit much frankly.

 

Regarding the point about paedophilia and homomsexuality, among paedophiles an astounding 25% are exclusively or primarily interested in boys.

 

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/homosexuality-and-paedophilia

 

If you consider that the prevalence of homosexuality in the population ranges from 0.5% to 4%, the fact that 25% of paedophiles primarily or exclusively target boys very obviously shows that pedophilia is significantly more prevalent among homosexuals. Of course the Washington Post can skew the numbers in the direction of political correctness to "celebrate the dignity" of homosexuals, by claiming that 75% of paedophiles are heterosexuals, which would be correct, however, if you factor in the actual number of homosexuals in society and their prevalence among paedophiles a very different picture quickly emerges.

“If you consider that the prevalence of homosexuality in the population ranges from 0.5% to 4%, the fact that 25% of paedophiles primarily or exclusively target boys very obviously shows that pedophilia is significantly more prevalent among homosexuals.”

 

That’s an utterly ridiculous conclusion, but thanks for exposing your total lack of understanding of simple data analysis so very clearly.

 

If 25% of pedophiles primarily or exclusive target boys, the only valid conclusion is “25% of pedophiles primarily or exclusively target boys”.

 

It reveals absolutely nothing about the prevalence of pedophilia in the wider homosexual population.

 

There is hope though.

 

“if you factor in the actual number of homosexuals in society and their prevalence among paedophiles a very different picture quickly emerges”

 

Now all you need is this actual data you refer to in order to see what picture actually emerges.

 

 

Well, the actual data and the ability to understand what it is and is not telling you.

 

 

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If 25% of pedophiles primarily or exclusive target boys, the only valid conclusion is “25% of pedophiles primarily or exclusively target boys”.

 

It reveals absolutely nothing about the prevalence of pedophilia in the wider homosexual population.

 

Yes it does. About 4 % of the general population are homoesexuals.

 

However, 25% of paedophiles are homosexuals.

 

It says a lot about the prevalence of pedophilia in the homosexual population.

[pedro01]

Good news. 

 

Gay pride is a ludicrous concept. How can you be proud of your sexual orientation. It's like being proud of your birth country - it's not as if you worked to be born there.

 

Everybody has a sexual orientation - it doesn't matter what yours is. Flaunting it usually means it's the only 'special' thing about you. Yawn.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes it does. About 4 % of the general population are homoesexuals.

 

However, 25% of paedophiles are homosexuals.

 

It says a lot about the prevalence of pedophilia in the homosexual population.

It says absolutely nothing of the sort.

 

[Cameroni]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It says absolutely nothing of the sort.

 

 

That's a ludicrous statement. 

 

Open your eyes.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

See, this is purposeful misrepresentation. Nobody can be this dumb. I said clearly above that the absolute number of paedophiles that are heterosexual is greater, however, this does not give you the real picture. Obviously BECAUSE 96% of the population is heterosexual, if you have 25% of paedophiles only interested in boys that CLEARLY shows that the preponderance for paedophilia is far greater among homosexuals than among heterosexuals.

 

 

 

You are clearly trying extremely hard - with success I might add - to disprove your own proposition that "... no one can be this dumb". You are obviously unable to differentiate between ABSOLUTE and PROPORTION.

 

Further proof (extract taken from https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/

 

"Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, THE RATIO OF HETROSEXUAL TO HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILES WAS CALCULATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 11: 11:1 (my caps).

 

I'll cut off your escape route by quoting the rest of the Abstract: "This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually".

 

So, in ABSOLUTE terms there are a greater number of heterosexual pedophiles, while in PROPORTIONAL terms there are a greater number of homosexuals.

 

I hope that is simple enough for you to understand.