Can you be a leftist without also supporting terrorists and criminals?

[hotsun]

Apparently not. Quite a blunder what the modern western philisophy has sided with

[Yagoda]

Socialism mandates terrorism and violence. The philosophical underpinnings of socialism, indeed, their entire philosophical premise for government and life can only be achieved by terrorists who engage in violence and authoritarianism. The best examples of socialist violence are found, of course, in bolshevism, national socialism and Chinese communism.

[Phulublub]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Socialism mandates terrorism and violence. The philosophical underpinnings of socialism, indeed, their entire philosophical premise for government and life can only be achieved by terrorists who engage in violence and authoritarianism. The best examples of socialist violence are found, of course, in bolshevism, national socialism and Chinese communism.

What utter BS.  

 

Apart from anything else, saying "natonal socialism" has anything to do with real socialism is the same as saying the Democratic Republic of Korea (commonly referred to as Norht Korea) is a democarcy,.

 

But I would't expect anything esle from the OP. 

 

H

[Yagoda]

38 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Apart from anything else, saying "natonal socialism" has anything to do with real socialism is the same as saying the Democratic Republic of Korea (commonly referred to as Norht Korea) is a democarcy,.

Well there is a topic on it, wherein all of you guys claiming that National Socialism isnt "real socialism" (whatever that is) are getting smacked down. Search it out and join in, you might learn something.

 

38 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

But I would't expect anything esle from the OP. 

Of course. Truth is important. Never expect less from me. So..... Tell us which of the Socialist regimes in history were NOT authoritarian and DID NOT engage in mass murder.

[Phulublub]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well there is a topic on it, wherein all of you guys claiming that National Socialism isnt "real socialism" (whatever that is) are getting smacked down. Search it out and join in, you might learn something.

 

Of course. Truth is important. Never expect less from me. So..... Tell us which of the Socialist regimes in history were NOT authoritarian and DID NOT engage in mass murder.

Ah..."wgataboutism alove and well.  You say there is a topic on NS...but this is not it. This topic is about extremely sensitive classified matierial being broadcast on unsecure channels by the current administration, many of whom were howling from the rooftops about alleged infringements by others.  Maybe you would like to stay on topic?

 

PH

[Yagoda]

Just now, Phulublub said:

Ah..."wgataboutism alove and well.  You say there is a topic on NS...but this is not it. This topic is about extremely sensitive classified matierial being broadcast on unsecure channels by the current administration, many of whom were howling from the rooftops about alleged infringements by others.  Maybe you would like to stay on topic?

 

PH

Dude, you raised the iissue of National Socialism in a topic about Leftist support for terrorism, right here.

 

The topic about the "broadcast" of "classified" materials is not this one.

[RayC]

37 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well there is a topic on it, wherein all of you guys claiming that National Socialism isnt "real socialism" (whatever that is) are getting smacked down. Search it out and join in, you might learn something.

 

 

The only guy "smacked down" on that thread was yourself. Your ignorance of the respective fundamental tenets of 'Socialism' and 'National Socialism' was plain for all to see.

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

The only guy "smacked down" on that thread was yourself. Your ignorance of the respective fundamental tenets of 'Socialism' and 'National Socialism' was plain for all to see.

See ya there. Show us what you got. Show me where I am wrong.

You cant.

 

[tomazbodner]

Coming from a socialistic country, we considered socialism a long way back into capitalism. While there are several benefits of socialism, there are also several severe shortcomings of it, which are making it fail after quite a short time as an economic system.

 

But without explaining what socialism is, I wanted to tell you a joke that I've heard in 80's when still living there, and country was still a socialistic republic, and people were talking that communism was ultimate goal...

 

An old man walks to the banana seller and asks how many bananas he has in stock... over 500 kg, the seller said.

OK, I'll buy them all, says the old man... OK, but where should I deliver them, inquires the seller...

Nowhere. You keep them, and when people come to buy bananas, you give them bananas for free...

 

Soon, the first next customers arrive, and get bananas for free... word spreads quickly, lots of people come to get bananas, soon leading to large crowds that start arguing, finally physical fights break out, and there's a total chaos, requiring police to intervene and disperse the bloodied crowds...

 

Policeman goes to seller and asks what on Earth happened! Seller tells him the story of the old man paying for bananas and telling him to give them away for free... Policeman is puzzled and asks why would someone do something like that... Seller says You can ask him yourself... he's sitting on the bench across the shop!

 

Policeman walks over to old man and confirms the story, then asks why would he do that... And old man says...

 

You see, I'm old already and won't live long. I just wanted to see how it will look like in Communism when everything is for free...

[Ben Zioner]

22 hours ago, hotsun said:

Apparently not. Quite a blunder what the modern western philisophy has sided with

Nonsense, I am in favour of free speech and sharing the burden of health and education, while I have no objection to the flattening of Gaza.

[hotsun]

13 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Coming from a socialistic country, we considered socialism a long way back into capitalism. While there are several benefits of socialism, there are also several severe shortcomings of it, which are making it fail after quite a short time as an economic system.

 

But without explaining what socialism is, I wanted to tell you a joke that I've heard in 80's when still living there, and country was still a socialistic republic, and people were talking that communism was ultimate goal...

 

An old man walks to the banana seller and asks how many bananas he has in stock... over 500 kg, the seller said.

OK, I'll buy them all, says the old man... OK, but where should I deliver them, inquires the seller...

Nowhere. You keep them, and when people come to buy bananas, you give them bananas for free...

 

Soon, the first next customers arrive, and get bananas for free... word spreads quickly, lots of people come to get bananas, soon leading to large crowds that start arguing, finally physical fights break out, and there's a total chaos, requiring police to intervene and disperse the bloodied crowds...

 

Policeman goes to seller and asks what on Earth happened! Seller tells him the story of the old man paying for bananas and telling him to give them away for free... Policeman is puzzled and asks why would someone do something like that... Seller says You can ask him yourself... he's sitting on the bench across the shop!

 

Policeman walks over to old man and confirms the story, then asks why would he do that... And old man says...

 

You see, I'm old already and won't live long. I just wanted to see how it will look like in Communism when everything is for free...

Some old people care about the future of the world, some dont. You can see it on this forum. Whether they have kids or not has alot to do with it

[Lacessit]

IIRC Hitler, Mussolini and Franco - all right wing fascists - were behaving like criminals and terrorists.

 

Ascribing some kind of virtue to right wingers is like saying fox hunting serves a useful purpose.

 

Australia has had leftist governments on and off since Federation. They are the governments introducing policies that benefit ordinary people.

 

 

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

See ya there. Show us what you got. Show me where I am wrong.

You cant.

 

 

My apologies I was thinking of another exchange which we had on this topic. That must have been embedded in another thread.

 

In any event, there is no point going any further as Morrobay has convincingly destroyed your implied suggestion that 'Socialism' and 'National Socialism' are variations on a theme by correctly pointing out that ownership of the means of production differs under the two philosophies.

 

QED. 

[JAG]

Of course one can.

 

It is entirely possible to hold left of centre views on things and yet not espouse terrorism or the violent overthrow of society; just as it is possible to hold right of centre views and not yearn for the trappings of fascism. One can combine the two, I hold views on some subjects, human rights,  universal healthcare, grotesque income inequality and the place for unions in the work place which some would regard as left wing, whereas on other matters, the rule of law, moral behaviour of leaders and national sovereignty for example, I would be condemned by some as irredeemably right wing. That is absolutely normal, in my case the product of a liberal education, professional training, life experience and (particularly as I enter my last decades of life), my religious faith.

 

The question in the OP is posed, and many of the responses, written no doubt on spittle flecked keyboards, are driven by the particular cult which appears to have seized power in a particularly frothy mouthed way, in the United States of America.

[MalcolmB]

And today’s loony conspiracy thread brought to you by hotsun.

 

obviously from the USA where most of these theories come from. It is USA culture to talk endlessly about krap. 
Is it a strain of weed that makes Americans so paranoid? Was it a bad batch of LSD?

Or is something in the water supply?

Or is it because of a suppressed feeling of guilt for all the bombing they have done around the world in the name of “freedom and democracy”

 

Strange people. 
 

Jan 6 attack on the Capitol. Were they socialists? 
Then the morons voted him in again 4 years later.

Only now they remember.

 

It could be all the fentanyl.

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

My apologies I was thinking of another exchange which we had on this topic. That must have been embedded in another thread.

 

In any event, there is no point going any further as Morrobay has convincingly destroyed your implied suggestion that 'Socialism' and 'National Socialism' are variations on a theme by correctly pointing out that ownership of the means of production differs under the two philosophies.

 

QED. 

Yeah he did great job in the appropriate topic LOL, which apparently neither you nor he understand.

[Yagoda]

I wonder who would win in a fight between Left and Right as to who is more violent, statistically 

 

We know the America and Jew haters are almost exclusively on the "Left". They get all the anti semitism.

[hotsun]

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

And today’s loony conspiracy thread brought to you by hotsun.

 

obviously from the USA where most of these theories come from. It is USA culture to talk endlessly about krap. 
Is it a strain of weed that makes Americans so paranoid? Was it a bad batch of LSD?

Or is something in the water supply?

Or is it because of a suppressed feeling of guilt for all the bombing they have done around the world in the name of “freedom and democracy”

 

Strange people. 
 

Jan 6 attack on the Capitol. Were they socialists? 
Then the morons voted him in again 4 years later.

Only now they remember.

 

It could be all the fentanyl.

Western politics can be summed up by white guilt

[Jeff the Chef]

I was a Left-wing Socialist all my working life, and never knowingly supported any Criminal or Terrorist,

 

Counter question for you, why do empty barrels make a lot of noise.

[Dan O]

23 hours ago, hotsun said:

Apparently not. Quite a blunder what the modern western philisophy has sided with

Your premise is flawed as usual. Compared to the totals there are very few extreme leftist just as there are few extreme rights. The majority of both groups is closer to the center. The extremists on both ends are the loudest voices and get the most attention. Why do you continually try to imply all on the left are the extremists or terrorist?  Are all on the right equally extreme?  It just shows how out of touch you are with reality.

[RayC]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah he did great job in the appropriate topic LOL, which apparently neither you nor he understand.

 

I agree that he did a great job destroying your rather simplistic premise.

 

Both he and I clearly have more understanding than you.

[jvs]

The right wing Maga supporters are starting to realize their world is slowly falling apart.

They are lashing out and hoping to create chaos.

Some of the rats have already abandoned the sinking ship.

It will not help you in the end.

Most MM's do not have the brains to understand.

Just watch,

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I agree that he did a great job destroying your rather simplistic premise.

 

Both he and I clearly have more understanding than you.

Hahahahahaha. You afraid to post in the right topic hahahahahahahah.

 

What-ever hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

The right wing Maga supporters are starting to realize their world is slowly falling apart.

They are lashing out and hoping to create chaos.

Some of the rats have already abandoned the sinking ship.

It will not help you in the end.

Most MM's do not have the brains to understand.

Just watch,

What are the MAGA supporters doing to cause chaos? Finding fraud? We know they are marching and screaming hate. Tell us about the lashing out LOL.

 

Which rats have abandoned LOL.

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I was a Left-wing Socialist all my working life, and never knowingly supported any Criminal or Terrorist,

 

Counter question for you, why do empty barrels make a lot of noise.

You ideology mandates violence and terrorism.

[Walker88]

Can you be a MAGA without supporting terrorists and criminals....and anti-Semites?

 

I don't think so.

 

6 January 2021...thousands of MAGAs came to DC at the request of their cult leader ("It'll be WILD!), and when they were told to go to the Capitol and "fight like hell" (the cult leader used "fight" 34 times, and "peaceful" just once), they beat and bear sprayed police, shat on the floor of the Capitol, and erected a gallows to hang the VP, all in an attempt to overthrow democracy.

 

The cult leader said he "loved them", when he finally asked them to stop hours after it began and hours after he watched the entire terrorist attack on live TV. Once re-elected, he pardoned them, showing his utter contempt for law enforcement and rule of law.

 

While POTUS, he watched hundreds of his cult members march in Charlottesville, carrying tikitorches and chanting "Jews will not replace us", and called those Jew haters "some very fine people".

 

In this thread, I see someone writing he doesn't care if Gaza is flattened, as if all Palestinians are terrorists, even the children.

 

Perhaps a bank robber will one day run into a shop or restaurant where your loved ones are shopping or eating, and the police will obliterate the building, along with your loved one. Yes, "I'm in favor of killing your loved ones if it means taking out a criminal".

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Dude, you raised the iissue of National Socialism in a topic about Leftist support for terrorism, right here.

 

The topic about the "broadcast" of "classified" materials is not this one.

Having a problem with reality, much?  I replied to YOUR post that mentioned National Socialism.....but then again, why not follow your Leaders..

 

I hear that Musk is now claiming that USAID is funding lots of those attending Sanders/AOC's rallies...yes, the same Musk, who is in charge of DOGE who have gutted USAID - but somehow USAID is able to continue to fund these protestors???!!!

 

PH

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Phulublub said:

I hear that Musk is now claiming that USAID is funding lots of those attending Sanders/AOC's rallies...yes, the same Musk, who is in charge of DOGE who have gutted USAID - but somehow USAID is able to continue to fund these protestors???!!!

Source?

 

Bet you despise the transparency of this Administration. Socialism can only exist with total secrecy.

[Jeff the Chef]

14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You ideology mandates violence and terrorism.

 

As I said empty barrels make a lot of noise, whatever your above statement is trying to say, give us a clue.

[Cameroni]

22 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Can you be a MAGA without supporting terrorists and criminals....and anti-Semites?

 

 

.

Trump suppports anti-semites? What are you smoking? He's more pro Israel than most Jews.