British Man Dies After Footpath Altercation in Bangkok

[LittleBear57]

6 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

That depends, do you believe the RTP actually work  while on duty, or just sit around doing nothing all night?

They are out and about.

Collecting the brown envelopes.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Ok Richard, it was a pitbull as you say, not a Thai breed dog.

 

I've accepted it was a Thai Breed of dog you daft womble....  I've also highlighted why the assumption may be made that it was a pitbull type breed - are you so thick you can't understand that ? - I put it in bold text for you.

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

He was screaming out “Don’t kill me ahhhh”

 

Yeah...  I kind of sounds like that - have you played the video with sound... he (the deceased) was screaming something....    it sounded like that...    what do you think it sounded like ?

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

He was wearing sunglasses which blinded him.

 

Dumb attempt to trigger based on an old thread where a pop-start had a crash at night and the only photos of him are of him wearing sunglasses - I argued he might have been wearing them while driving and this impacted his vision - you, Malky, wanted to argue that because, well, you're a silly numpty.

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

And you know highly influential Thai contacts that can get you and your friends off criminal charges. 

 

Dumb attempts to trigger - you really a dim idiot, you've now exaggerated the story to getting friends off criminal charges - anyone with a brain know the interference has to take place before anything is official. 

 

 

You really are delusional fruit-cake... completely incapable of basic reading comprehension instead making your own moronic, idiotic and pathetic interpretation of everything - Grade A1 for cockwomblery.

 

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

From now on I won’t even bother reading the journalist reports, I will just go straight to your posts for your version of what happened. 

 

By all means, read the other stuff, post links to it all - its useful information.

 

But learn to take 'everything you read in print' with a dash of scepticism and understand whatever is in print is very a rarely the complete story and very rarely the facts or the truth.

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

the delusion is all yours...   an out right liar.

Show me the link.

It never happened. 

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Another fabrication - it looks like the Brit was running away from a fight..

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The two guys have got off the motorcycle and he runs towards them, which is also odd if he is trying to 'escape' from them

Are you arguing with yourself now?

 

No, I'm highlighting the oddity of the situation....      as I keep pointing out, there seems to be more to this story than we are reading.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

the delusion is all yours...   an out right liar.

Show me the link.

It never happened. 

 

Show you the link of what ye dimster...    you're not even making sense now... 

 

"It never happened" -    what are you rattling on about ?...    Something in this story, or one of the many other stories you brought to troll and try to trigger ?

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

But learn to take 'everything you read in print' with a dash of scepticism and understand whatever is in print is very a rarely the complete story and very rarely the facts or the truth.

Fantastic to know that you will be there to complete the story for me with your non eye witness fabricated accounts.

Thanks mate.

[MalcolmB]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You used that story good few times to accuse me of 'attacking flight attendants on a plane'... 

never happened.

You do have a vivid imagination.

Show me the link where I even mentioned you “attacking flight attendants on a plane” 

I never did. 
Please stop making things up.

Show me the link where I accused you, not a few good times as you are claiming, just a single link will do.

[ujayujay]

10 hours ago, ozz1 said:

So sad for his family why did they pursue him on  a motorbike ? not good look for Thai tourism unfortunately thais reputation for beating up farang is going viral

[email protected] Brit tried to steal the motorcycle.....you apparently have no idea about the incident or are illiterate

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Show me the link where I accused you, not a few good times as you are claiming, just a single link will do.

 

As if I'm going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's...  no thanks cockroach.

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But learn to take 'everything you read in print' with a dash of scepticism and understand whatever is in print is very a rarely the complete story and very rarely the facts or the truth.

Fantastic to know that you will be there to complete the story for me with your non eye witness fabricated accounts.

Thanks mate.

 

I dont need to be there for you Malky...  if its possible, you just need to use a tiny amount of the whatever brain you haven't let wither away to the alcohol and apply a little bit of critical thought.

[ukrules]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The story is incomplete - much more happened here... 

 

Indeed. British man murdered by a gang of thugs in Bangkok is the headline.

 

There's never an excuse for murder so the circumstances (excuses for their actions) surrounding this literal beating to death of a tourist in Bangkok are kind of irrelevant really.

He's dead, they killed him and it's all on CCTV.

[crazykopite]

Autopsy’s should be independent and impartial it’s clear to me had this altercation not happened this guy would be alive assault is assault in most countries it is a crime !

[MalcolmB]

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

As if I'm going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's...  no thanks cockroach.

So you tried and couldn’t find any of these comments that only were in your mind.

Like the pitbull, the sunglasses, etc.

Have you ever thought of seeking treatment for your schizophrenia?  

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, ukrules said:

On 3/26/2025 at 1:34 PM, richard_smith237 said:

The story is incomplete - much more happened here... 

 

Indeed. British man murdered by a gang of thugs in Bangkok is the headline.

 

There's never an excuse for murder so the circumstances (excuses for their actions) surrounding this literal beating to death of a tourist in Bangkok are kind of irrelevant really.

He's dead, they killed him and it's all on CCTV.

 

Agreed.... there remains a certain faction within the forum who appear intent on assigning blame to the deceased or victim whenever its a foreigner.... implying, either overtly or subtly, that he somehow “had it coming” or that the tragedy was the result of his own actions.

 

Such views seem rooted in a persistent and delusional refusal to ever criticise Thai nationals, no matter the circumstances.

 

Nonetheless, the situation and its unfolding narrative are, to say the least, peculiar. The difficulty lies in the fact that much of the account we are being presented with is likely riddled with inaccuracies, if not outright fabrications provided primarily by those who committed manslaughter.

 

Yet, in this thread we find ourselves contending with individuals who unquestioningly accept this version of events as gospel, simply because it appeared in a media outlet. These individuals who declare with misplaced confidence that “the facts have been stated” reveal only the depth of their own credulity and extent of their blind dumb ignorance.

 

It is nothing short of folly to take every printed word as truth, and yet they remain blissfully ignorant of their own intellectual shortcomings to the extent the muddy these threads and dirty the waters of truth with an unhinged delusional bias to the extent that suggest they need psychiatric assistance. 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

As if I'm going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's...  no thanks cockroach.

So you tried and couldn’t find any of these comments that only were in your mind.

Like the pitbull, the sunglasses, etc.

Have you ever thought of seeking treatment for your schizophrenia?  

 

This highlights your lack of reading comprehension: I'm not going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's...    but I don't think putting comments in bold even helps direct you to key points....    Your only intent is trolling.

 

On to the next story, where no doubt you've believe blindly whatever is written to blame a foreigner even when various sources contradict each other, such is your unhinged delusional bias and utter ignorance of reality.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed.... there remains a certain faction within the forum who appear intent on assigning blame to the deceased or victim whenever its a foreigner.... implying, either overtly or subtly, that he somehow “had it coming” or that the tragedy was the result of his own actions.

Not sure what to make of this situation, but not sure it's that simple either.

 

Let's say, for example in the US where many people own guns. Well, if you break into someone's home, there's a chance you will get shot. 

 

In this case, were they just trying to restrain someone who was trying to steal their property until the police arrived? But if someone keeps fighting back and refuses to allow themselves to be restrained, then this type of thing can occur. 

 

[MalcolmB]

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

This highlights your lack of reading comprehension: I'm not going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's..

You would be wasting your time because it never happened.

Get yourself some help.

The right medication can stop the hallucinations.

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, crazykopite said:

Autopsy’s should be independent and impartial it’s clear to me had this altercation not happened this guy would be alive assault is assault in most countries it is a crime !

 

100% - there are still a lot of unanswered questions and the story thus far remains based on the claims of the two men who committed manslaughter, which as far as I'm concerned is likely to be nothing more than a fabrication. 

 

Watching the video - I do believe the death was accidental...  I do believe the  Thai men were not trying to kill the British lad, but trying to subdue him, in doing so they ended up suffocating him to death - but also got a few punches in.

 

Story as I understand it - Questioning what and why:

- Brit was seen running from was seen running from Phibunsongkhram Bridge along Pracharat Sai 1 Road << By Whom - who are these witnesses ? >> is this even true ?

- Brit attempted to enter 91 Karaoke establishment and was prevented entry.

- An argument broke out << Who reported this - the killers ? >> is this even true ?

- Brit ran away << why did he need to run away ?? >> Scared of the bouncers ?

- There is no CCTV from front of Karaoke 91 - thats very odd << don't all such places have CCTV out front, due to the frequency of issues >>  has this been hidden or 'dissappeared' ?

- Brit was chased by two bouncers (after the argument) << why did they chase him ?? >>

- Bouncers chased Brit on their bike and got ahead of him.

- Conjecture: Did the Brit run into the 'bouncers' not realising they were the very same guys he was trying to get away from ???  (i.e. drunken and drugged state)

- Brit tried to push the bouncers away and steel the motorcycle << scared for his life ? >> why not run the other way ?

- Brit was also screaming something on the video - it sounded like "they're trying to kill me"....(make your own interpretation of what he was screaming - its not very clear)

- Bouncers subdued him, punching him and then choking him.

 

- Story of bouncers trying to show him something on a phone (no evidence of that in CCVT) - strange story.

 

 

As mentioned - a lot more unanswered to the story here - And before some delusional halfwitted pillock melts on about how I'm making up stories - the above comments are questions asking what happened, why it happened, whether what unfolded makes any sense even from the point of view of being drugged up, and also question the veracity of any statements provided by those who committed manslaughter, which the media ran with.....

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Not sure what to make of this situation, but not sure it's that simple either.

 

Let's say, for example in the US where many people own guns. Well, if you break into someone's home, there's a chance you will get shot. 

 

In this case, were they just trying to restrain someone who was trying to steal their property until the police arrived? But if someone keeps fighting back and refuses to allow themselves to be restrained, then this type of thing can occur. 

 

Agreed....    I don't think the Thai bouncers used what appeared to be excessive force to subdue the Brit... but clearly they did because he was choked out and died...  

...  maybe something else happened to him while he was being subdued...    he would have been significantly out of breath after running / sprinting, maybe that had something to do with it. 

 

But...  there is still a lot more leading up to the 'attempted motorcycle theft' that doesn't add up and I'm not inclined to believe the story of the guys who were involved in manslaughter. 

 

 

As the story mentioned and as others (of sensible and balanced mind) pointed out - the story is odd enough that the 'drugs aspect' could well be a valid factor in this...  but without any evidence the story plays very strongly on the drugs aspect which could be a red-herring, or true... 

 

Its a shame we will never see a follow up to this story - we always end up debating what happened etc, yet we never see the follow up, the findings - but even then, with such corruption here, would the findings ever tell a true story of events in the first place ?

[Photoguy21]

If he was acting in an unpredictable way, why, one he left the bar, would you go after him on a motorbike? Security in bars and clubs don't generally go after someone once they have left the venue.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But...  there is still a lot more leading up to the 'attempted motorcycle theft' that doesn't add up

who would try to steal a motorbike with 2 tough guys standing next to it? 

either he was drug-crazed or ... was it his motorbike to begin with? 

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

27 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

This highlights your lack of reading comprehension: I'm not going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's..

You would be wasting your time because it never happened.

Get yourself some help.

The right medication can stop the hallucinations.

 

Keep looking then - they haven't stopped your delusions......   clearly nothing works on you, certainly not common sense.

 

You just want the Brit to be wrong because its simple and it fits your delusional bias.

 

Maybe you are right and the whole story is completely true - exactly as reported. 

Or maybe you are not, and there is a lot more to the story than we read.

 

Either way, you blindly believing  the informtion you read in Thai media and re-printed here exactly as its written is outrageously stupid.

 

& No...  No links - as mentioned.... I'm not going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's..   everyone knows your comments are trollish, triggering an ignorantly idiotic, gullible and heavily weighted with delusional bias. 

 

 

No one can be this stupid - its clear you are deliberately trolling and getting a kick of attempting to trigger others (myself included)...    its funny...   but the same games have become boring...  you've become just another wasteful irritant rather than someone to have an amusing verbal spar and play with.... 

 

 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You just want the Brit to be wrong

You are wrong. 
It is not an opinion, it is a fact. 
A load of pitbull.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, save the frogs said:

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But...  there is still a lot more leading up to the 'attempted motorcycle theft' that doesn't add up

who would try to steal a motorbike with 2 tough guys standing next to it? 

either he was drug-crazed or ... was it his motorbike to begin with? 

 

Indeed...  So much unanswered... 

 

I'm even wondering if he didn't realise the guys who were stood next to the motorcycle were the guys who were chasing him in from Karaoke 91.

... But, were there other guys chasing him before that ??  which is why he was 'reportedly' agitated when he got to the Karaoke 91 venue (again, reported - believable ?)

 

The manner in which he attempts to take the motorcycle (in the CCVT footage) certainly seems to indicate either

a) Extreme fear for his life

b) Drug fuelled delusion

c) Combination of both

 

Or as you said - was he being so abusive in front of the 91 Karaoke place, that the guys, took his bike and rode it up the street to get him away from the area... then they decided to 'fill him in a little'... 

... But there was no mention at all that this was his bike and I'd have thought the news might at least have got that bit right ?

 

One thing is for sure - only the survivors were able to give witness statements - and to believe any of that would be greatly naive. 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You just want the Brit to be wrong

You are wrong. 
It is not an opinion, it is a fact. 
A load of pitbull.

 

OK cockroach.... you're clearly trolling....   pathetic melt.

[ukrules]

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Brit was chased by two bouncers (after the argument) << why did they chase him ?? >>

 

So the difference in a manslaughter and murder charge often comes down to one simple question.

Did they 'go after' the deceased or did an incident break out in which they had to act in self defence.

Here they gave chase and in many countries that single difference is what changes any potential charge regardless of the reasons given from one of involuntary manslaughter / manslaughter to murder.

It's a very small difference but it's why people sit in prisons for life compared to say 5 or 10 years if it was a one punch knockout in response to a single incident.

Never chase someone down and attack them - because that's murder if they die, even if you didn't intend it - chasing after them is intent to attack.

Simplified but explains how some people can end up on a murder charge even if it started out as an act of self defence.

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

OK cockroach.... you're clearly trolling....   pathetic melt.

No you have been found out again.

Never did I mention your attack on the flight attendant who refused you more beer like you have accused me of. 

I had never heard that story before.

 

Doesnt surprise me that since you spend all day arguing on the internet with everyone that you might have mixed me up with someone else. 
 

But I never did.

Either put up a link or apologize. 

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

If he was acting in an unpredictable way, why, one he left the bar, would you go after him on a motorbike? Security in bars and clubs don't generally go after someone once they have left the venue.

 

Which is why I'm questioning the whole story... 

 

Its possible (conjecture).

...  Had the Brit actually been in the club and built up quite a bill which he'd tried to avoid ???

...  Had the Brit been in the club and the bill 'padded' (not uncommon here), and he tried to run ???

 

The bouncers were not 'chasing him' out of concern, thats for sure....   So, why were they 'really chasing' him ???  - I think thats one of the important unanswered facets of this whole story. 

[MalcolmB]

2 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Simplified but explains how some people can end up on a murder charge even if it started out as an act of self defence.

It would be rough if these two were sent to jail because of the actions of the British idiot who brought it upon himself.

 

If they are imprisoned it will just be for saving face and so they don’t have to listen to the English complaining. At most sentenced for show and then quietly released on the next kings birthday.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

So the difference in a manslaughter and murder charge often comes down to one simple question.

Did they 'go after' the deceased or did an incident break out in which they had to act in self defence.

Here they gave chase and in many countries that single difference is what changes any potential charge regardless of the reasons given from one of involuntary manslaughter / manslaughter to murder.

It's a very small difference but it's why people sit in prisons for life compared to say 5 or 10 years if it was a one punch knockout in response to a single incident.

Never chase someone down and attack them - because that's murder if they die, even if you didn't intend it - chasing after them is intent to attack.

Simplified but explains how some people can end up on a murder charge even if it started out as an act of self defence.

 

So it was Murder in that case....    though the CCTV footage shows this was not an outright violent attack, rather is clear they tried to subdue and control him....  

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Had the Brit actually been in the club and built up quite a bill which he'd tried to avoid ???

 

No, they wouldn’t let him in because he was acting like a dickhead.

 

 

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

...  Had the Brit been in the club and the bill 'padded' (not uncommon here), and he tried to run ???

No