Why are Trump supporters so unwilling to criticize even some of his policies?

[johng]

36 minutes ago, JAG said:

sailing ships -

Well sail ships are the ultimate environmentally friendly ship so why not...can have a backup of slave oarsmen for the doldrums.

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2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

He called it  "de-Nazification". As you are well aware the msm narrative up until the invasion was that Ukraine was hopelessly corrupt and had a severe Nazi problem.

Sadly the montage of top msm headlines stating exactly that is verboten, but I know everyone is aware of it.

I'm becoming aware that you live in an alternative universe. Yes there was a big corruption problem. But hopeless. No. As for denizification. That was about the Azov brigade. And they were pretty much Nazis. But they were also fighting the russians and the separatists. During WW2, Russia was the USA's ally. Did that mean that the USA was communist. What's more, the Azov brigade or what's left of it is no longer a neo-nazi fighting force. But if it's neo-nazi fighting forces you want to look for, try the Russian army.

What makes thise charges particularly ridiculous is the the current President of Ukraine is Jewish. Not only that.

"Only 5% of Ukrainians would not like to have Jews as their fellow citizens. This is the lowest level observed in all the countries of Eastern and Central Europe, as revealed in a report released on 28 March 2018 on the results of a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center (US).

Antisemitism in Europe: Ukraine turns out to be the most friendly to Jews

 

 

https://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/news/antisemitism-in-europe-ukraine-turns-out-to-be-the-most-friendly-to-jews/

 

 

"Russian neo-Nazi paramilitary group says it has defied President Vladimir Putin's order to delete a social media post that called for the execution of Ukrainian prisoners of war.

Task Force Rusich, which has reportedly been actively involved in fighting in Ukraine on behalf of the Kremlin, said on its Telegram channel it was pressured by Russian officials to delete a post "about the [encouragement] of execution of prisoners."

The group is believed to have had links to the now-dissolved paramilitary outfit the Wagner Group, whose late chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, was killed after his private jet crashed in Russia's Tver region in August 2023."

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-neo-nazi-rusich-telegram-putin-war-crimes-1873703

 

Russian Neo-Nazis Participate in ‘Denazifying’ Ukraine – Der Spiegel

At least two neo-Nazi groups are fighting for Russian forces in Ukraine, throwing into question Moscow’s claims of “denazifying” its neighbor, German weekly Der Spiegel reported Sunday, citing a confidential intelligence report.

The document shared with German ministries by the BND intelligence service does not provide the exact number of far-right fighters, but identifies them as the Russian Imperial Legion and Rusich groups. 

Their involvement “makes the ostensible reason for war, the so-called ‘denazification’ of Ukraine, absurd,” BND is quoted as saying.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/23/russian-neo-nazis-participate-in-denazifying-ukraine-der-spiegel-a77762

[b17]

23 hours ago, TedG said:

No typo.   Canada is the hat of the USA. 

Wrong. Canada is a proud, vibrant and sovereign country that will continue being strong and free. Where do some of you Yanks get your unwarranted arrogance from?  Your country has been falling behind other developed countries for years and years. Look at your rankings in education, health care, infrastructure, etc....all falling apart. Nonetheless. you reserve the right to dictate to other countries that have no desire to emulate you in any shape or manner. Elbows up! Oh, and if you disagree, hit the link here and listen to what an American has to say about your country. It might offer you some insight that is clearly missing, likely due to a bad case of the Dunning Kruger effect. 

 

[Cameroni]

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Given what was the consensus before the war....I mean....actually, I've forgotten what Putin demanded it be called...that Ukraine didn't have a chance. I'd say it was a pretty spectacular success. You think Putin is pleased with how it's turned out?

 

He called it "special military operation" I think. Interesting take. You're right Putin is not happy how things have gone. Though when the peace deal is signed i suspect he'll be a lot happier than Zelensky.

[jimmybcool]

Why do people start threads that are false on basic premise?

[Dan O]

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

That sums it up. The Democrat apologists can spew their vile hatred with their lies and misrepresentations, at least Trump is getting good work done and keeping his word as much as he can. Even if not all his policies are spot on a good 70% are superb.

Not sure what your seeing but apparently your not looking at facts, impacts and results. Just take Trump and Musk at their word and all will be ok right ? 

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, seajae said:

hahahahaha, over half of the US voters put Trump in office so according to you the US is basically full of idiots and inbreds

Correct

[Cameroni]

47 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Not sure what your seeing but apparently your not looking at facts, impacts and results. Just take Trump and Musk at their word and all will be ok right ? 

 

I am seeing real work being done. The gutting of the bloated government bureaucracy for instance. Something past administrations should have done a long time ago, if future generations are to have a chance in the US. Very brave and tough. But necessary. To lower the burden on ALL taxpayers.

 

I am seeing a recalcritant Ukrainian nationalist being pulled by the leash to the negotiation table to secure peace in Europe.

 

I am seeing criminal gangs being deported from the US making the streets safer.

 

I am seeing Hyundai making huge investments in the US, creating jobs, as they are trying to avoid tariffs.

 

I am seeing a golden age for the US, as the Dollar will be devaluated and US firms will gain a competitive edge.

 

In short, I am seeing more results in a few weeks than in 4 years of Biden.

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46 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

 

I am seeing a golden age for the US, as the Dollar will be devaluated and US firms will gain a competitive edge.

Because the great thing about tariffs is that they only work in 1 direction. Absolutely none of the America's trading partners are going to increase their tariffs in response to U.S. hikes. At least that will be the case in oppositeworld

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50 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The gutting of the bloated government bureaucracy for instance. Something past administrations should have done a long time ago, if future generations are to have a chance in the US

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUJQUn5wl9rtbIGXZ8rQn_86lUZIJqA5F3a5YO0WOX55qVAgDoZFRSdDmt0r02ciyhMvJkjZPfMkwqq9_N4W1pS93OxuBodsCZDBcTlD5Fw2GuQ8RWzOnon_prgz0gtn2fM1doeUL3BUtV3ga8PgHPiWTxqWnSbyWyTNI04TZ6BXLxqU717kIC/s970/TotalGovOct2024.PNG

https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2024/11/how-many-people-work-for-us-federal.html

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52 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am seeing Hyundai making huge investments in the US, creating jobs, as they are trying to avoid tariffs.

I am seeing Hyundai making promises. So did Foxconn.

But I  too have a vision. I  see Hyundai manufacturing lots of vehicles right now:

 

Hyundai shows off its new $7.6B electric vehicle plant in Georgia as Trump announces tariffs

"Hyundai celebrated the opening of its new $7.6 billion electric vehicle factory in Georgia on Wednesday by announcing plans to expand its production capacity by two-thirds to a total of 500,000 vehicles per year.

The news came as President Donald Trump announced 25% tariffs on auto imports at the White House. Hyundai will be spared from those tariffs on its U.S.-made vehicles. Trump praised the South Korean automaker on Monday, saying its American investments are “a clear demonstration that tariffs very strongly work.”

Hyundai began producing EVs just shy of six months ago at its sprawling manufacturing plant in southeast Georgia. More than 1,200 people are working there."

https://apnews.com/article/hyundai-georgia-evs-electric-vehicles-ad746b27194d05703b941e76e56df9fc

[LosLobo]

22 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You don't post anything with substance or fact.   I'll give you a chance to start by replying to this post with something of substance. 

 

22 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The lowest literacy rate is CA. 
https://capitolweekly.net/california-shockingly-has-the-lowest-literacy-rate-of-any-state/

 

22 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The big bad blue state is number 1.

Wrong!
 

"The data released by the National Center for Education Statistics in January 2025 shows that Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi, and Texas have the lowest literacy rates in the U.S., with an average score under 254."
 

The highest number of illiterate adults among these four states comes from Texas, due to its large population, while Louisiana, Mississippi, and New Mexico have much smaller populations in comparison.
 

And your “You don’t post anything with substance or fact”—that’s just an obvious projection.

https://www.newsweek.com/map-reveals-us-adult-literacy-rates-state-2010175

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57 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am seeing real work being done. The gutting of the bloated government bureaucracy for instance. Something past administrations should have done a long time ago, if future generations are to have a chance in the US. Very brave and tough. But necessary. To lower the burden on ALL taxpayers.

Oh, and I see real work that was done the right way. With planning and forethought. It was something a past administration did not all that long ago:

Trump isn’t the first president to slash the federal workforce. How he’s doing it is a different story.
President Clinton’s strategy of reinventing government took more time and didn’t involve big layoffs

Building on a “reinventing government” strategy, Clinton reduced the size of the federal workforce during his two terms by 436,000 people.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-isnt-the-first-president-to-slash-the-federal-workforce-how-hes-doing-it-is-a-different-story-736b6147

 

[Dan O]

54 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am seeing real work being done. The gutting of the bloated government bureaucracy for instance. Something past administrations should have done a long time ago, if future generations are to have a chance in the US. Very brave and tough. But necessary. To lower the burden on ALL taxpayers.

 

I am seeing a recalcritant Ukrainian nationalist being pulled by the leash to the negotiation table to secure peace in Europe.

 

I am seeing criminal gangs being deported from the US making the streets safer.

 

I am seeing Hyundai making huge investments in the US, creating jobs, as they are trying to avoid tariffs.

 

I am seeing a golden age for the US, as the Dollar will be devaluated and US firms will gain a competitive edge.

 

In short, I am seeing more results in a few weeks than in 4 years of Biden.

Your seeing a delusional world where fact is fiction and liars are believed just on their word not on the real accomplishments. 

 

You are seeing the destruction of America by a pathological narcissistic moron cheered on by naive easily fooled followers. You have no concept of the damage he's doing and don't seem to care either.

 

Your held in a trance by sound bites because you have a cause you can blame and Trump has shown you can lie, cheat and steal but claim its someone else's fault.

 

Last time a person was conducting this type of slash and burn approach to all aspects of government, eliminating all their enemies thru systemic condemnation and abuse, reshaping it into their own image was germany leading up to  wwII.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am seeing real work being done. The gutting of the bloated government bureaucracy for instance. Something past administrations should have done a long time ago, if future generations are to have a chance in the US. Very brave and tough. But necessary. To lower the burden on ALL taxpayers.

 

I am seeing a recalcritant Ukrainian nationalist being pulled by the leash to the negotiation table to secure peace in Europe.

 

I am seeing criminal gangs being deported from the US making the streets safer.

 

I am seeing Hyundai making huge investments in the US, creating jobs, as they are trying to avoid tariffs.

 

I am seeing a golden age for the US, as the Dollar will be devaluated and US firms will gain a competitive edge.

 

In short, I am seeing more results in a few weeks than in 4 years of Biden.

You are seeing ditctates (executive orders) perhaps in the government you live in its the norm,not in the USA we are a democracy this form of governance is against democracy.every one here wants to cut waste no doubt about that just in an organized controlled way and not at the behest of the richest guy and a foreigner on the planet.i see a president of the United States stabbing our Allie’s in the guts and betraying a brave nation struggling to survive an invasion by its neighbor.( and camornai when I see ANY human getting killed blown up burned alive it sickens me no matter who’s country they are from)just remember who started and continues to push this….heres a clue it ain’t Zelenskyy Kapish?

[Dan O]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I am seeing Hyundai making promises. So did Foxconn.

But I  too have a vision. I  see Hyundai manufacturing lots of vehicles right now:

 

Hyundai shows off its new $7.6B electric vehicle plant in Georgia as Trump announces tariffs

"Hyundai celebrated the opening of its new $7.6 billion electric vehicle factory in Georgia on Wednesday by announcing plans to expand its production capacity by two-thirds to a total of 500,000 vehicles per year.

The news came as President Donald Trump announced 25% tariffs on auto imports at the White House. Hyundai will be spared from those tariffs on its U.S.-made vehicles. Trump praised the South Korean automaker on Monday, saying its American investments are “a clear demonstration that tariffs very strongly work.”

Hyundai began producing EVs just shy of six months ago at its sprawling manufacturing plant in southeast Georgia. More than 1,200 people are working there."

https://apnews.com/article/hyundai-georgia-evs-electric-vehicles-ad746b27194d05703b941e76e56df9fc

Side note: The previous plant was already there in GA and the new plant construction was started well before Trump every came to office this time. But in true fashion Trump is taking credit for it as a result of his tariff attack on the world. 

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

He called it  "de-Nazification". As you are well aware the msm narrative up until the invasion was that Ukraine was hopelessly corrupt and had a severe Nazi problem.

Sadly the montage of top msm headlines stating exactly that is verboten, but I know everyone is aware of it. Isn't it incredible how this corrupt Nazi country overnight became the worlds most wonderful democracy? 

Isn't it incredible how Putin's claims of only seeking to cleanse Ukraine of fascism gained traction overnight under Trump 1?

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I am seeing real work being done. The gutting of the bloated government bureaucracy for instance. Something past administrations should have done a long time ago, if future generations are to have a chance in the US. Very brave and tough. But necessary. To lower the burden on ALL taxpayers.

 

I am seeing a recalcritant Ukrainian nationalist being pulled by the leash to the negotiation table to secure peace in Europe.

 

I am seeing criminal gangs being deported from the US making the streets safer.

 

I am seeing Hyundai making huge investments in the US, creating jobs, as they are trying to avoid tariffs.

 

I am seeing a golden age for the US, as the Dollar will be devaluated and US firms will gain a competitive edge.

 

In short, I am seeing more results in a few weeks than in 4 years of Biden.

In short, you are obviously all-seeing, yet you cannot see that the Emperor is not wearing any clothes!

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am seeing real work being done. The gutting of the bloated government bureaucracy for instance. Something past administrations should have done a long time ago, if future generations are to have a chance in the US. Very brave and tough. But necessary. To lower the burden on ALL taxpayers.

 

I am seeing a recalcritant Ukrainian nationalist being pulled by the leash to the negotiation table to secure peace in Europe.

 

I am seeing criminal gangs being deported from the US making the streets safer.

 

I am seeing Hyundai making huge investments in the US, creating jobs, as they are trying to avoid tariffs.

 

I am seeing a golden age for the US, as the Dollar will be devaluated and US firms will gain a competitive edge.

 

In short, I am seeing more results in a few weeks than in 4 years of Biden.

 

You see all that? Wow....

 

Can I have your (rose-coloured) glasses for a moment, please?

 

They need cleaning.

[Cameroni]

10 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

In short, you are obviously all-seeing, yet you cannot see that the Emperor is not wearing any clothes!

 

I can see what is going on in the US. Yes, Trump has his problems, his support for Israel is a concern with potential for catastrophe, and yes, of course smoke and mirrors and lies are part of the daily parcours, but in terms of things getting done, by Golly are they getting done.

[SunnyinBangrak]

14 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Isn't it incredible how Putin's claims of only seeking to cleanse Ukraine of fascism gained traction overnight under Trump 1?

More incredible is that Trump 1 was the only administration Putin was to scared of to invade Ukraine under.

Obama - Putin invaded and took Crimea

Trump 1 - 4 years of peace

Biden - Putin went all in.

Embarrassing Ill bet! Blew all the puppet narratives out the water and showcased how weak virtue signalling democrst govts are a danger to the world.

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

More incredible is that Trump 1 was the only administration Putin was to scared of to invade Ukraine under.

Obama - Putin invaded and took Crimea

Trump 1 - 4 years of peace

Biden - Putin went all in.

Embarrassing Ill bet! Blew all the puppet narratives out the water and showcased how weak virtue signalling democrst govts are a danger to the world.

Clearly you're unacquainted with a logical fallacy: post hoc ergo propter hoc. Which translates to after this therefore because of this. Why would Putin ever fear what his fanboy might do?

[Tug]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

More incredible is that Trump 1 was the only administration Putin was to scared of to invade Ukraine under.

Obama - Putin invaded and took Crimea

Trump 1 - 4 years of peace

Biden - Putin went all in.

Embarrassing Ill bet! Blew all the puppet narratives out the water and showcased how weak virtue signalling democrst govts are a danger to the world.

Ahh he thought his asset was going to win in 2020 trump lost he knew if trump was in office in 2020 he would have invaded Ukraine and he knew his most valuable asset wouldn’t interfere it would have been much easier as you well know.

[SunnyinBangrak]

54 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ahh he thought his asset was going to win in 2020 trump lost he knew if trump was in office in 2020 he would have invaded Ukraine and he knew his most valuable asset wouldn’t interfere it would have been much easier as you well know.

Literally none of that makes any sense.

worth noting Trump said he will be showing evidence that he WON in 2020. You might want to fasten your seatbelt. Seeing as everything he said turned out to be true, serious observers expect this evidence to be conclusive.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

More incredible is that Trump 1 was the only administration Putin was to scared of to invade Ukraine under.

Obama - Putin invaded and took Crimea

Trump 1 - 4 years of peace

Biden - Putin went all in.

Embarrassing Ill bet! Blew all the puppet narratives out the water and showcased how weak virtue signalling democrst govts are a danger to the world.

 

More incredible is the uneasy Ukrainian stasis, fomented under the Obama administration, that was largely ignored by Trump 1.

 

He only got a wild hair up his arse about anything Ukrainian right at the end of his term in 2019, when he was seeking dirt on the Bidens, who ultimately "stole" his re-election.

 

Putin has never been 'scared' by Trump, not then and not now and not ever. Putin's simply giving the idiot enough rope, and guess what?... he's still doing it.

[NanLaew]

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

Trump said he will be showing evidence that he WON in 2020. You might want to fasten your seatbelt. Seeing as everything he said turned out to be true, serious observers expect this evidence to be conclusive.

 

Oh, for the love of all that you hold dear to you, not this bloody steal nonsense again?!

 

Serious observers of what? Conspiracy theorist rabbit holes?

[daveAustin]

Why are Trump supporters so unwilling to criticize even some of his policies?
 

Delusion, foolhardiness, fear of the alternative. Tempting to say they are thick but the support goes across the spectrum and there are very clever people that voted for him... or more so the idea. Hard for them to say the guy is out of line. I get it and we also need some tough policies in the UK to counter ott leftism and unrelenting illegal immigration. But not to the extent of hating the rest of the world.

[Rob Browder]

On 3/29/2025 at 5:55 PM, spidermike007 said:

I don't understand his supporters accepting the mistakes that he's making,

You mean, doing the exact opposite of what he promised - just like the last time he was POTUS? 

 

I got the message by the end of 2017.  But, evidently, many of those who said they supported the POLICIES he ran on (both times), yet STILL "support" him, do not have any principled positions - any more than Trump ever did.  It's all "Rah, Rah, my team," and eating-up the North-Korea flavored, syrupy praise from every member of the administration - truly nauseating. 

[Rob Browder]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Clearly you're unacquainted with a logical fallacy: post hoc ergo propter hoc. Which translates to after this therefore because of this. Why would Putin ever fear what his fanboy might do?

Not fanboy, or really caring about peace in Ukraine, or he would not have re-started the aid which keeps the war going - though the outcome will not change.  It's over - just a question of how many more people will die before the end is "official," and whether Ukraine will have to cede even more territory, as a result of further delay.

 

Agree Putin's decision to invade was not to do with Trump.  In his first term, Trump increased sanctions, started lethal-aid, and unilaterally withdrew from long-standing arms-treaties with Russia.  I am not an Obama fan, but he was right that "Russia has escalatory dominance in Ukraine" - just as the USA would have, if the situation was regarding Mexico - which is why he refused the lethal-aid.

 

The timing was because Ukraine was firing up a new offensive (shelling already started) - after refusing to follow the Minsk Accords* - and after more talk about Ukraine joining NATO and abandoning their non-nuclear stance. 

* (Ukrainian "nationalists" told Zelesnky they would not withdraw artillery - on video)

 

All Trump or Biden had to do to prevent this war, was to tie any further aid to following Minsk, but they chose to ignore it- as did the German and French co-signatories, and the UN-Sec-Council, which had also signed-off.  The French and Germans later admitted Minsk was just a ruse to buy time, to build up the Ukrainian military for attack.

[HappyExpat57]

I posted this question to "Grok" and this is what returned:

 

"Trump supporters’ reluctance to criticize his policies often stems from a mix of loyalty, identity, and pragmatism. Many see him as a fighter against a system they distrust—elites, media, or government insiders—so they’re willing to overlook flaws or trade-offs in his policies to back someone they view as their champion. His style, unpolished and defiant, reinforces this bond; it’s less about policy details and more about what he represents to them.

 

Take his economic moves, like tariffs. Supporters might shrug off criticism about higher consumer costs because they see it as a necessary jab at globalism or a way to bring jobs back, even if the evidence is mixed. Data from the Tax Foundation in 2020 estimated his tariffs cost U.S. consumers $57 billion annually, but for many, the symbolic “America First” stance trumps that. Same with immigration—hardline policies like the border wall get cheers despite logistical snags or costs (e.g., $11 billion spent by 2021 per GAO reports) because it’s about signaling toughness.

 

There’s also a tribal angle. Criticizing Trump can feel like betraying the team, especially when they perceive constant attacks from the left. Social dynamics kick in—studies like those from the American Political Science Review (2021) show partisan identity often outweighs policy disagreement in shaping loyalty. Plus, some figure he’s better than the alternative; Biden’s approval tanked to 38% by late 2024 (per Gallup), so Trump’s flaws get a pass.

 

It’s not universal, though. Some supporters quietly grumble—say, about his COVID response or spending (deficit hit $3.1 trillion in 2020, per CBO)—but vocal criticism risks ostracism or just doesn’t fit the narrative they’ve bought into. X posts from MAGA folks often frame it as “he’s not perfect, but he’s ours.”

 

That’s the glue: loyalty over common sense.