Why are Trump supporters so unwilling to criticize even some of his policies?

[Mike_Hunt]

17 hours ago, b17 said:

As prices rise and 99% of the MAGA faithful start to realize that they have been duped into a bizarre cult, it will be hard for them to admit their miscalculations. But, as their 401k's tank, their social security payments don't arrive and their jobs disappear, they will finally understand what has happened. Its hard to imagine what will happen then, but it won't be pretty. 

You voted for Joe Biden and gave us 21% inflation over three years.    How many tech jobs were lost under Biden? 

[Mike_Hunt]

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I can't even begin to imagine once their intellects perceive the fact that their hearts have been betrayed. It is a bit like being assaulted by a priest, I would imagine, in a sense that this was somebody that you deeply trusted and now you realize that he was a con man after all, and the Democrats were right.

 

It's going to be very hard for most Republicans to admit that the Dems were right about Trump. And that he was not even close to the man who they thought he was, and that his agenda was incredibly sinister after all. 

You two should get a room. 

[Mike_Hunt]

On 3/30/2025 at 10:33 AM, LosLobo said:

 

 

Wrong!
 

"The data released by the National Center for Education Statistics in January 2025 shows that Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi, and Texas have the lowest literacy rates in the U.S., with an average score under 254."
 

The highest number of illiterate adults among these four states comes from Texas, due to its large population, while Louisiana, Mississippi, and New Mexico have much smaller populations in comparison.
 

And your “You don’t post anything with substance or fact”—that’s just an obvious projection.

https://www.newsweek.com/map-reveals-us-adult-literacy-rates-state-2010175

Let's first  define literacy rate.

 

Literacy rate is the percentage of a population that can read and write, and it's usually measured for a specific age group. Literacy can also include numeracy skills. 

 

It's a percentage of the population. Do you understand how to calculate a percentage? 

 

Look at this map from 2024 and tell me who has the lowest rate. 

 

 

 

 

 

[CANSIAM]

On 3/29/2025 at 8:16 PM, TedG said:

Canada is irrelevant. 

Relevant soon when you stick that nozzle in your Chevy and squeeze, have your wallet full as well... "Drill baby Drill" won't help.......😉

[TedG]

2 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Relevant soon when you stick that nozzle in your Chevy and squeeze, have your wallet full as well... "Drill baby Drill" won't help.......😉

I have an EV. 

[CANSIAM]

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

I have an EV. 

Be careful, many of Musk's vehicles have been burning lately........

[TedG]

1 minute ago, CANSIAM said:

Be careful, many of Musk's vehicles have been burning lately........

Lefties are going to leftie

[StandardIssue]

How did the OP come up with this conclusion? It'd be good to see some stats, although I would wager it would be extremely difficult to get accurate statistics on such a thing. While I am not a fan of Trump at all, being reasonable would be appropriate.

 

I would hope that, even the many slow thinking Trump supporters would wake up if they get kicked in the crotch enough and admit the guy is NOT  taking actions in their best interest.

[Mike_Hunt]

On 3/30/2025 at 12:37 AM, LosLobo said:

 

 

Wrong!

Who would have guessed, MAGA Mike, your logic is flawed.

Fox News’ 3 million primetime viewers is a nightly average, not the total number of unique viewers per hour, day, month, or year.

The real unique viewership over the election cycle is likely 40–70 million—making your ‘3.88%’ stat utterly meaningless.

You owe the poster an apology—a large percentage of Trump voters possibly could be Fox viewers.

"You are not an intelligent person" is obviously a projection.
 

NB: Based on past data, Fox News’ annual unique audience has ranged from 60M to over 100M, making 40–70M for the election period a fair estimate.

 

 

There is no data set to back up your claim of 60M to over 100M individual viewers.   

 

 

 

[TedG]

Speaking of the cult.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

There is no data set to back up your claim of 60M to over 100M individual viewers.   

 

 

 

Well, there is this:

"For the month, FOX News Digital secured 4.6 billion total multiplatform minutes (up 40% over January 2024), 2.2 billion total multiplatform views (up 30% over January 2024) and 121.8 million total digital multiplatform unique visitors (up 11% over January 2024).*"

https://press.foxnews.com/2025/02/fox-news-digital-marks-its-third-highest-month-with-total-digital-multiplatform-unique-visitors-in-history-during-january#:~:text=For the month%2C FOX News,11% over January 2024).

 

"A unique visitor is a term used in marketing analytics which refers to a person who has visited the website at least once and is counted only once in the reporting time period. So if the user visits the web more than once, it counts as one visitor only. It’s also called a “Unique User”. 

For example, if a user visits your web page and then browses further on 2 other pages and then leaves your website and returns again to see more pages, he is counted as a single individual user (“unique visitor”)"

https://useinsider.com/glossary/unique-visitor/

[stupidfarang]

On 3/29/2025 at 6:01 PM, Sigmund said:

Most europeans would dream of having a head of state like Trump. Mainly in Germany, France or in the UK or most of the nordic countries. That is also a fact fortunately or unfortunately - like it or not.

can we see those "Facts"

[ChaiyaTH]

Why are people who not vote for Trump so obsessed with writing garbage + their useless opinion, disliking Trump so much, while ignoring 100% all the exact weighted items on their own political choices during their presidential years.

I mean you know if this applies to you and basically you are just a moron if doing that. It is no different with the big mouths here during covid. So great job, now you can surround yourself with other morons while your opinion is as valuable as the life of an ant.

[LosLobo]

5 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Let's first  define literacy rate.

 

Literacy rate is the percentage of a population that can read and write, and it's usually measured for a specific age group. Literacy can also include numeracy skills. 

 

It's a percentage of the population. Do you understand how to calculate a percentage? 

 

Look at this map from 2024 and tell me who has the lowest rate. 

If you're claiming this map represents current 2024 data, the burden of proof is on you to provide a reliable source confirming it. The onus is not on me to disprove your claim. Until then, we can only assume you're either misinformed or deliberately spreading falsehoods.

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6 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You voted for Joe Biden and gave us 21% inflation over three years.    How many tech jobs were lost under Biden? 

More blaming Biden for inflation. Most of the world suffer from high inflation in the wake of COVID. Is that Biden's fault too? A rational person would look for a common cause for worldwide inflation. As for the tech industry losing jobs, you ask the question but you didn't provide an answer. Have you got one with a legitimate source to back it up?

[LosLobo]

4 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

There is no data set to back up your claim of 60M to over 100M individual viewers.   

Just because you don’t know something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Judging by the content of your posts, your lack of knowledge seems to be a recurring theme.
 

You assumed—without evidence—that Fox’s 3 million primetime viewers are all unique, then used that faulty assumption to make a bogus calculation. The burden of proof isn’t on me to disprove your misinformation.

I simply offered an educated opinion; if I had claimed it as fact, I would have provided a reliable source. I still can—but still the onus is not mine.
 

As the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy states:

'The burden of proof lies with the person making a claim. If they fail to provide evidence, the claim can be dismissed without the need for counter-evidence.'

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1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

Just because you don’t know something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Judging by the content of your posts, your lack of knowledge seems to be a recurring theme.
 

You assumed—without evidence—that Fox’s 3 million primetime viewers are all unique, then used that faulty assumption to make a bogus calculation. The burden of proof isn’t on me to disprove your misinformation.

I simply offered an educated opinion; if I had claimed it as fact, I would have provided a reliable source. I still can—but still the onus is not mine.
 

As the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy states:

'The burden of proof lies with the person making a claim. If they fail to provide evidence, the claim can be dismissed without the need for counter-evidence.'

Well, by the data I cited above, fox news had about 120 million unique visitors (what you and mikehunt are calling individuals) in January of 2025.

[zzvv]

Hey MalcomB

Can you prove that ? otherwise you become an Idiot yourself 

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, hotsun said:

Life is about jobs. Under Biden people stopped going to work, collected benefits, and america gave its money to others for nothing. If democrats understood anything about inflation they would be buying bitcoin. You are the essence of an out of touch american, you dont even know yourself whats in your best interest. Jews who support antisemitism, what a novel concept

Such a sad and ignorant post. Unemployment is higher now, than under Biden. And inflation is climbing too. 

 

It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic. I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans. 

 

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF, and even the US is considering withdrawing some support. That would put them in dire straits, and very isolated. But, they deserve that, in my opinion.

[LosLobo]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, by the data I cited above, fox news had about 120 million unique visitors (what you and mikehunt are calling individuals) in January of 2025.

Thanks, I saw your post just after I posted—clearly, you wake up earlier than I do.
 

Usually, once I’ve disproven the idiocy, I move on—I don’t have the time or patience anymore. But lately, I’ve been indulging more.
 

I admire your perseverance. You keep at it until they inevitably go ad hominem, which is always rewarding—because at that point, they’re subconsciously admitting they’ve lost.

It’s ironic that lawless Trump and his minions have embraced a law—Brandolini’s Law (aka the Bull<deleted> Asymmetry Principle):

"The amount of energy needed to refute bull<deleted> is an order of magnitude greater than what it takes to produce it."
 

Almost poetic, really—Trump’s entire movement thrives on spewing nonsense faster than anyone can debunk it. No wonder they hate us (ie fact-checkers) more than they hate Biden and paying taxes.

 

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

You sure about that?

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS

They just make this stuff up as they go along, or they just parrot stuff that they've heard from the creep himself. Yesterday I had lunch with a goombah supporter who insisted that Musk had unearthed more than 3 million people who were still collecting Social Security beyond the age of 110. How do you even respond to something like that? 

 

 

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8 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

"""“The American dream is not ‘let them eat flat screens,’” he said, arguing that it is instead about having good jobs that are not lost to foreign competition and wages that are high enough to afford homes."""

 

Is this wrong?   Is the dream to have the latest iPhone and hip clothes and wonder if you will be able to educate your children?  Or is job stability and earning enough to own a home more important? 

It's always open to consumers to do without stuff and services  in order to improve their ability to be able to afford a home and an education for their children. What is there about Trump's program that will promote that? And it's always entertaining to see the same people who typically belittle green activists for promoting less consumption, suddenly finding that they share the same values.

[Harrisfan]

3 hours ago, LosLobo said:

If you're claiming this map represents current 2024 data, the burden of proof is on you to provide a reliable source confirming it. The onus is not on me to disprove your claim. Until then, we can only assume you're either misinformed or deliberately spreading falsehoods.

You lost. Trump 4 more years.

[hotandsticky]

13 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

You lost. Trump 4 more years.

 

 

 

.....at least.

 

 

He will probably change the Constitution to allow a 3rd term.

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59 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

.....at least.

 

 

He will probably change the Constitution to allow a 3rd term.

Via an executive order. He's already tried that on in the case of birthright citizenship.

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

.....at least.

 

 

He will probably change the Constitution to allow a 3rd term.

Well he's certainly demonstrated a complete and total lack of respect for the constitution on so many different levels  so nothing would surprise me. He is the polar opposite of a Law and Order president, he is a chaos president and a terrible leader. 

[rough diamond]

4 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

.....at least.

 

 

He will probably change the Constitution to allow a 3rd term.

He will get vance to run for president with him as the vice.  On inaugral day vance resigns and Trump is President!!

This is being discussed in the US media!

[Mike_Hunt]

7 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Just because you don’t know something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Judging by the content of your posts, your lack of knowledge seems to be a recurring theme.
 

You assumed—without evidence—that Fox’s 3 million primetime viewers are all unique, then used that faulty assumption to make a bogus calculation. The burden of proof isn’t on me to disprove your misinformation.

I simply offered an educated opinion; if I had claimed it as fact, I would have provided a reliable source. I still can—but still the onus is not mine.
 

As the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy states:

'The burden of proof lies with the person making a claim. If they fail to provide evidence, the claim can be dismissed without the need for counter-evidence.'

You need to provide your data source.  

[Mike_Hunt]

8 hours ago, LosLobo said:

If you're claiming this map represents current 2024 data, the burden of proof is on you to provide a reliable source confirming it. The onus is not on me to disprove your claim. Until then, we can only assume you're either misinformed or deliberately spreading falsehoods.

 

Are you claiming the map is not accurate? 

[Mike_Hunt]

 

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, by the data I cited above, fox news had about 120 million unique visitors (what you and mikehunt are calling individuals) in January of 2025.

There is zero data to back up this statement.