UK Parents Arrested Over School WhatsApp Group Complaints in ‘Massive Overreach’ by Police

[frank83628]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:17 AM, gargamon said:

United States, deporting people without due process which is guaranteed by the constitution applies I believe. Even the Nazis got a hearing before they were deported after WW II.

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I guarantee when Obama was in charge you didnt give a <deleted> about the 3 million he deported, so why you so bothered now?? because your news told you Trump is bad

[TorquayFan]

Yep this is 'woke' madness, continuing a trend of decades. Whilst it's not just Starmer's fault, is he the Man to turn the tide? MMmmm

 

Even more alarming is the current drift toward 'two tier' sentencing and 'two tier' Policing.

 

The UK and the World is largely, atm, going quite potty !!

 

 

[Don Giovanni]

The UK is now China 2.0

 

Orwell was right.

 

The Thought Police are now a real thing.

 

The Don.

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:20 AM, frank83628 said:

6 officiers sent to arrest 2 parents over a WhatsApp messages, but they're too busy when its house burglary, tool theft & shop lifting 

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Exactly right. 

 

They won't even send someone round for a burglary, they just give you a crime reference number over the phone so you can claim on the insurance. Forget about any investigative work to find the culprit and get your stuff back. 

 

Hurty words in an app? 6 of them turn up to arrest you in front of your neighbours.

 

The UK is turning into a dystopian cesspit. 

 

 

[frank83628]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:18 AM, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly right. 

 

They won't even send someone round for a burglary, they just give you a crime reference number over the phone so you can claim on the insurance. Forget about any investigative work to find the culprit and get your stuff back. 

 

Hurty words in an app? 6 of them turn up to arrest you in front of your neighbours.

 

The UK is turning into a dystopian cesspit. 

 

 

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100%. But you're a far right racist if you speak out about it

[johnnybangkok]

  On 3/31/2025 at 9:20 AM, JonnyF said:

 

More likely a loony hand wringing Liberal leftist wanting to silence any criticism with a steel boot on the throat.

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Or an obvious right wing loony who takes small, isolated incidents as indicative of the whole of the UK to feed even more into his already warped cognitive bias. 
“Steel boot on the throat” - do you even hear yourself?

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:21 AM, frank83628 said:

100%. But you're a far right racist if you speak out about it

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Apparently it was racist to object to 2 tier sentencing guidelines as well.

 

But finally some good news, thanks for the vocal objections from millions of people like me, they have been postponed, well officially at least, for now.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yg887m6qdo

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:16 AM, josephbloggs said:

Ah, so Mr Hyperbole has read the conversations and knows that this public WhatsApp group was, in fact, private.

 

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He was added to the group by mistake. All the rage these days I hear 😂

[johnnybangkok]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:42 AM, JonnyF said:

 

Apparently it was racist to object to 2 tier sentencing guidelines as well.

 

But finally some good news, thanks for the vocal objections from millions of people like me, they have been postponed, well officially at least, for now.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yg887m6qdo

 

 

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As usual, you don't tell the whole story. It's got nothing to do with '2 tier sentencing' unless of course you are refering to how ethnic minority groups are treated WORSE than others in the UK legal system'  

 

'The 2017 Lammy Review in the UK presented evidence of stark ethnic inequalities at all stages of the CJS. From the point of arrest, through prosecution to custodial remand, sentencing and imprisonment, ethnic minority groups were shown to be both disproportionately represented and to experience disproportionately worse outcomes. The most recent Ministry of Justice report (2021) shows that ethnic minority defendants were between 4% and 28% more likely to be remanded in custody and to have a consistently higher average custodial sentence length (ACSL), than White defendants.'
https://www.adruk.org/fileadmin/uploads/adruk/Documents/Ethnic-inequalites-in-criminal-justice-system.pdf

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:51 AM, johnnybangkok said:

As usual, you don't tell the whole story. It's got nothing to do with '2 tier sentencing' unless of course you are refering to how ethnic minority groups are treated WORSE than others in the UK legal system'  

 

'The 2017 Lammy Review in the UK presented evidence of stark ethnic inequalities at all stages of the CJS. From the point of arrest, through prosecution to custodial remand, sentencing and imprisonment, ethnic minority groups were shown to be both disproportionately represented and to experience disproportionately worse outcomes. The most recent Ministry of Justice report (2021) shows that ethnic minority defendants were between 4% and 28% more likely to be remanded in custody and to have a consistently higher average custodial sentence length (ACSL), than White defendants.'
https://www.adruk.org/fileadmin/uploads/adruk/Documents/Ethnic-inequalites-in-criminal-justice-system.pdf

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Of course the proposal was 2 tier.😄

 

It recommended pre sentencing reports specifically for some races, religions, genders and not others. Basically every group except white indigenous males. 

 

That's the defintion of 2 tier. 

 

It fooled nobody. Neither are you. I'm not the least bit surprised DEI "As a black man..." David Mastermind Lammy recommended it. 

[BritManToo]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:51 AM, johnnybangkok said:

usual, you don't tell the whole story. It's got nothing to do with '2 tier sentencing' unless of course you are refering to how ethnic minority groups are treated WORSE than others in the UK legal system'  

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Women generally get half the jail time of men, so the report should have been doubling the judgement for women.

[johnnybangkok]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:59 AM, JonnyF said:

 

Of course the proposal was 2 tier.😄

 

It recommended pre sentencing reports specifically for some races, religions, genders and not others. Basically every group except white indigenous males. 

 

That's the defintion of 2 tier. 

 

 

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Well then it's needed then unless you think it's acceptable that ethnics minorities are treated demonstartingly worse than whites (don't bother answering - I'll guess your response).

 

If the system was even throughout then there would be no need for a report but as my previous post pointed out 'ethnic minority defendants were between 4% and 28% more likely to be remanded in custody and to have a consistently higher average custodial sentence length than white defendants.' And from the link you priovided - 'The Council, made up of some of the most senior legal figures in England and Wales, was adamant that the guidelines would have helped address disparities between how different ethnicities are treated in the justice system.' - but of course politicians have yet again got involved in matters that they are NOT experts in, pandering to people such as yourself who only see it as somehow being anti-white (a familiar drum you keep beating).

The UK justice system is rightly held in high esteem throughout the world so if there IS disparity then it MUST be addressed. Everyone should be given a fair hearing REGARDLESS of ethnic background and if getting '.... extra information before deciding how to punish offenders from certain minority groups' is the answer, then so be it. 

 

[johnnybangkok]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:05 AM, BritManToo said:

Women generally get half the jail time of men, so the report should have been doubling the judgement for women.

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Fine. Great. If that's the case then absolutely. There should be a complete focus on fairness and equality and that includes women. If they've done the crime then they absolutely should get equitable sentencing to men. That's my whole point. The law should be blind to ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and of course gender. If there's bias then it needs to stop but you have to work out HOW the bias is there and come up with a system that prevents it.  

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 4:46 AM, johnnybangkok said:

Well then it's needed then unless you think it's acceptable that ethnics minorities are treated demonstartingly worse than whites (don't bother answering - I'll guess your response).

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Everyone should be treated the same. Justice should be blind.

 

The correct response to your alleged poor treatment of minorities (I have many examples to disprove that) is not poor treatment of non minorities.

 

The spiteful, racist politics of revenge that you propose will not work out well for you. Best you drop it. 

[johnnybangkok]

  On 4/1/2025 at 5:17 AM, JonnyF said:

 

Everyone should be treated the same. Justice should be blind.

 

The correct response to your alleged poor treatment of minorities (I have many examples to disprove that) is not poor treatment of non minorities.

 

The spiteful, racist politics of revenge that you propose will not work out well for you. Best you drop it. 

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Someone get fairer treatment doesn't mean others get less. It's not pie.

And if my point is only 'alleged' then why all the hullabaloo? Did you think the 2017 Lammy Review or the more recent review by the Sentencing Council (made up of some of the top judges in the UK) where just a bit bored and under-worked so decided to committ months and years to making all of this up?

 

As usual, that echo chamber you so willfully inhabit doesn't allow you to see anything other than your own, myopic viewpoint.

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 5:24 AM, johnnybangkok said:

Someone get fairer treatment doesn't mean others get less. It's not pie.

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What on earth are you talking about? 

 

It was proposed that (very beneficial) Pre Sentencing reports were considered necessary for minorities but not necessary for non minorities. 

 

So of course non minorities were getting less. 😄 It's the complete opposite of equal treatment. 

 

I wonder who I'm arguing with on here sometimes, I really do. 😅

[johnnybangkok]

  On 4/1/2025 at 5:35 AM, JonnyF said:

 

What on earth are you talking about? 

 

It was proposed that (very beneficial) Pre Sentencing reports were considered necessary for minorities but not necessary for non minorities. 

 

So of course non minorities were getting less. 😄 It's the complete opposite of equal treatment. 

 

I wonder who I'm arguing with on here sometimes, I really do. 😅

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The POINT you so easily dismiss (or just simply don't understand) is that this obviously isn't an issue for whites. They're not the ones getting the $hitty end of the stick. So the correct wording for your statement is 'Pre Sentencing reports were considered ABSOLUTELY necessary for minorities but not AT ALL necessary for non minorities.' 

 

Lets put it in terms you might understand.

Your suggestion would be like giving every ex-pat in Bangkok an STD test because some ex-pats frequent Nana Plaza. Ridiculous right, but that's your suggestion. Now do you get it?    

[Bkk Brian]

  On 4/1/2025 at 5:35 AM, JonnyF said:

 

What on earth are you talking about? 

 

It was proposed that (very beneficial) Pre Sentencing reports were considered necessary for minorities but not necessary for non minorities. 

 

So of course non minorities were getting less. 😄 It's the complete opposite of equal treatment. 

 

I wonder who I'm arguing with on here sometimes, I really do. 😅

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Looks like even the Labour gov has recognized how unfair this was and have put a stop to it.

 

 

Sentencing guidelines ditched after 'two-tier' row

Shabana Mahmood, the justice secretary, believed the proposals from top judges would have created a "two-tier" justice system.

The new guidelines, which had been in development for months, told judges to seek extra information before deciding how to punish offenders from certain minority groups.

The proposals had sparked condemnation from politicians across both main parties in recent weeks and, following the Sentencing Council refusing Mahmood's demands to reconsider, she was set to overrule them with emergency legislation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yg887m6qdo

[johnnybangkok]

  On 4/1/2025 at 6:36 AM, johnnybangkok said:

The POINT you so easily dismiss (or just simply don't understand) is that this obviously isn't an issue for whites. They're not the ones getting the $hitty end of the stick. So the correct wording for your statement is 'Pre Sentencing reports were considered ABSOLUTELY necessary for minorities but not AT ALL necessary for non minorities.' 

 

Lets put it in terms you might understand.

Your suggestion would be like giving every ex-pat in Bangkok an STD test because some ex-pats frequent Nana Plaza. Ridiculous right, but that's your suggestion. Now do you get it?    

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And let me add to this.

 

'A PSR must be obtained unless the court considers it unnecessary. A defence lawyer can also request a report if they believe there are significant mitigating circumstances.' So if a person is white then thay can absolutely have a PSR. Where it differs now is in the proposal by the Council that a PSR should "normally be considered" if the offender belongs to one, or more, of these groups:

 

• Is at risk of first custodial sentence and/or at risk of a custodial sentence of two years or less
• Is a young adult (18-25 years)
• Is female
• Is from an ethnic minority, cultural minority, and/or faith minority
• Is pregnant or post-natal
• Is a sole or primary carer for dependent relatives
• Has disclosed they are transgender
• Has or may have addiction issues
• Has or may have a serious chronic medical condition, physical disability, mental ill health, learning disabilities or brain injury
• The offender is considered to be a victim of domestic abuse, physical/sexual abuse, violent/threatening behaviour, coercive/controlling behaviour, other abuse, modern slavery, coercion, grooming, intimidation or exploitation.

 

However and very importantly, the council says the list is non-exhaustive and PSR can be necessary if the defendant is not in one of those categories.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/what-are-pre-sentence-reports-and-the-controversial-changes-13322644

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 6:36 AM, johnnybangkok said:

The POINT you so easily dismiss (or just simply don't understand) is that this obviously isn't an issue for whites. They're not the ones getting the $hitty end of the stick.

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Absolute Rubbish. Gaslighting in the extreme. 

 

I don't see Ricky Jones banged up for demanding throats of opponents be slit. Still walking around a free man. Unlike the white Tory councillor's wife rotting in jail for almost 3 years. Sentenced within a week. Or the guy jailed for shouting at a police dog. Or the granny jailed for a stupid Facebook post. 

 

It's already 2 tier. These guidelines were just trying to make it official. Anyone who supports different treatment under the law based on their race is a racist. You might want to think about that. 

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 6:52 AM, johnnybangkok said:

And let me add to this.

 

'A PSR must be obtained unless the court considers it unnecessary. A defence lawyer can also request a report if they believe there are significant mitigating circumstances.' So if a person is white then thay can absolutely have a PSR. Where it differs now is in the proposal by the Council that a PSR should "normally be considered" if the offender belongs to one, or more, of these groups:

 

• Is at risk of first custodial sentence and/or at risk of a custodial sentence of two years or less
• Is a young adult (18-25 years)
• Is female
• Is from an ethnic minority, cultural minority, and/or faith minority
• Is pregnant or post-natal
• Is a sole or primary carer for dependent relatives
• Has disclosed they are transgender
• Has or may have addiction issues
• Has or may have a serious chronic medical condition, physical disability, mental ill health, learning disabilities or brain injury
• The offender is considered to be a victim of domestic abuse, physical/sexual abuse, violent/threatening behaviour, coercive/controlling behaviour, other abuse, modern slavery, coercion, grooming, intimidation or exploitation.

 

However and very importantly, the council says the list is non-exhaustive and PSR can be necessary if the defendant is not in one of those categories.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/what-are-pre-sentence-reports-and-the-controversial-changes-13322644

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In summary, all things being equal it is necessary for a ethnic minority but not for a non minority.

 

Racism 101. 

 

Supported by you. 

 

Even Labour have seen how stupid it was. 😄

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 6:36 AM, johnnybangkok said:

Your suggestion would be like giving every ex-pat in Bangkok an STD test because some ex-pats frequent Nana Plaza.

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The stupidest, nonsensical, insalubrious analogy I have ever heard on this forum. 😄

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 3/31/2025 at 6:23 AM, mikeymike100 said:

Six coppers were sent, so this must have been ordered at Inspector level or above!

After a five-week investigation, Hertfordshire Police concluded there was insufficient evidence, and no charges were filed. So they sue the police for false arrest and probably assault and false imprisonment!

Under UK law, specifically the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE), police must have reasonable suspicion to arrest without a warrant.

No threats, physical altercations, or immediate danger were reported—just criticisms that upset school staff!

 

This once again is the government showing their true colors! No pun intended!

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I hope they do sue the plod for false arrest, and win big time. If I was on the jury I'd certainly find grounds to squeeze the cops till they squeal.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 4/1/2025 at 7:18 AM, JonnyF said:

 

Absolute Rubbish. Gaslighting in the extreme. 

 

I don't see Ricky Jones banged up for demanding throats of opponents be slit. Still walking around a free man. Unlike the white Tory councillor's wife rotting in jail for almost 3 years. Sentenced within a week. Or the guy jailed for shouting at a police dog. Or the granny jailed for a stupid Facebook post. 

 

It's already 2 tier. These guidelines were just trying to make it official. Anyone who supports different treatment under the law based on their race is a racist. You might want to think about that. 

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Didn't you know that in our Brave New World only white people can be racist?

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 4/1/2025 at 5:35 AM, JonnyF said:

I wonder who I'm arguing with on here sometimes, I really do

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An AI programmed to support the loony left, perhaps.

 

Is this BS what so many good men died for in WW2? I think not.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:18 AM, JonnyF said:

The UK is turning into a dystopian cesspit. 

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Nothing "turning" about it. It's "turned" already. IMO cesspit is too polite to describe it.

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:26 AM, frank83628 said:

I guarantee when Obama was in charge you didnt give a <deleted> about the 3 million he deported, so why you so bothered now?? because your news told you Trump is bad

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Didn't you know that it's only racist when white people do it.? Given Obama is half white though, does that make him half a racist?

[JAG]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:05 AM, BritManToo said:

Women generally get half the jail time of men, so the report should have been doubling the judgement for women.

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Recidivism rates for women are approximately 20%, for men approximately 26% (UK Home Office figures). It is also generally the case that the prison regime for women is not so harsh.

 

This suggests ( heaven help me - this is going to upset some) that longer and harsher sentences are not particularly effective!

[JonnyF]

  On 4/1/2025 at 7:47 AM, JAG said:

This suggests ( heaven help me - this is going to upset some) that longer and harsher sentences are not particularly effective!

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That depends if you are more concerned about the victim or the perpetrator.

 

Long sentences may or not be effective in rehabilitating perpetrators, but the longer people are locked up, the less danger they are to potential victims. 

 

Recidivism rates only include those who are caught. In reality, many reoffend after release but are now better informed and experienced in terms of getting away with it. 

 

Most leftists are more concerned with perpetrators than victims.

[Enoon]

  On 3/31/2025 at 8:20 AM, BritManToo said:

Is the new head Muslim by any chance?

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😄

 

Oh yeah.......sure they are 😄😄😄

 

 

School is about half  k  north east of the B & E S

 

There is one mosque in BWood

 

I used to live in Elstree.