3 hours ago, atpeace said:

Interesing post but you are cherry picking.  I aggree the polio vaccine had a dramatic possitive impact. Not so sure about Covid vacines.  It was rolled out during a period of chaos and I serriously doubt almost all Covid data on both sides.

Hardly cherry picking when I have witnessed first hand the disastrous results of the poliovirus, and also would like to point out that the following virus infections have been eliminated or reduced in my lifetime: – smallpox, measles, rubella, hepatitis B, chickenpox – – all through vaccination.

 

All of the Covid information I have studied through my research and associations with medical establishments has debunked the Covid vaccination misinformation, and most pleasing is the fact that the technology used to develop the mRNA vaccine is now being put to good use to fight cancer in some areas and shows great promise.

36 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Trump obviously heard something about Chlorine but is too stupid to differentiate. Your deflection failed.

 

Please explain the rationale supporting your deflection allegation.

 

For the purpose of clarity, here is what Trump said on that day:

 

"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Please explain the rationale supporting your deflection allegation.

 

For the purpose of clarity, here is what Trump said on that day:

 

"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."

What he said was stupid. All of this is an off topic deflection by MAGA morons.

 

The Topic is a request to RFK to cancel vaccines. Another stupid idea.

4 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

What he said was stupid. All of this is an off topic deflection by MAGA morons.

 

The Topic is a request to RFK to cancel vaccines. Another stupid idea.

 

Thank you for your input.

46 minutes ago, xylophone said:

and most pleasing is the fact that the technology used to develop the mRNA vaccine is now being put to good use to fight cancer in some areas and shows great promise.

 

Especially given the current explosion of cancers in increasingly young patients. I must say the business model is devilishly smart…

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Chlorine dioxide is a disinfectant indeed and again, Trump was correct when he posited it was an effective treatment for Covid.

 

Thank you for confirming he did not recommend treating Covid with household bleach, a lie still perpetuated by hordes of people who mindlessly repeat what the media say without assessing information independently.

Disinfectants are not a treatment for Covid, but a preventive for surfaces. Not quite the same thing.

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

In other words, Trump supporters are independent-minded. I agree.

 

I appreciate your willingness to contradict yourself (c.f. your previous comment in this thread, "I figured you were a Trump fan, believing everything your hero says") in the name of exactitude.

That's not a contradiction. Your help voting him in because the other side was weak has nothing to do with hero worship, but believing his every word does. I didn't trust either side, and my vote wouldn't have made a difference because I saw what was coming.

One of the key issues of vaccine conspiracy peddlers of misinformation like the op is that in recent years social media and sites like this one allow the op a voice when the misinformation peddler needs shutting down. This proliferated after Covid in the US. Presumably this makes the SM sites money but now we have the farcical situation of unvaccinated children dying in the US from measles, RFK Jnr getting a position of Health Sec who then visits kids funerals who have also died of Vitamin A toxicity based on his failed conspiracy offerings as an alternative to measles vaccines.

 

Social media needs to hang its head in shame.

41 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

now we have the farcical situation of unvaccinated children dying in the US from measles, RFK Jnr getting a position of Health Sec who then visits kids funerals who have also died of Vitamin A toxicity based on his failed conspiracy offerings as an alternative to measles vaccines.

 

You might want to look a bit more closely at the case of the child who died

"from measles".

 

RFKjr  is not responsible  for parents overdosing their children  or whether or not they vaccinate their children  or even the resurgence of measles   he has only just taken office..!!

Hopefully  he will actually do what he has set out to do MAHA

he made a good start with the steps to remove  GRAS  from products.

https://www.fda.gov/food/food-ingredients-packaging/generally-recognized-safe-gras

10 hours ago, xylophone said:

Hardly cherry picking when I have witnessed first hand the disastrous results of the poliovirus, and also would like to point out that the following virus infections have been eliminated or reduced in my lifetime: – smallpox, measles, rubella, hepatitis B, chickenpox – – all through vaccination.

 

All of the Covid information I have studied through my research and associations with medical establishments has debunked the Covid vaccination misinformation, and most pleasing is the fact that the technology used to develop the mRNA vaccine is now being put to good use to fight cancer in some areas and shows great promise.

Forgot to add the HPV virus to my list, for which a vaccine is now available. 

 

"In general, more than 90% of anal cancers are tied to HPV infection. Most penile cancers and mouth and throat cancers are linked with HPV infections too".

 

You may remember that when Michael Douglas (actor) had throat cancer, he remarked that it was from too much oral sex (he was more specific in his description) and his wife was absolutely livid with him!!

 

Also worth remembering that vaccinations are used to prevent bacterial infections...quote: Vaccines work by exposing your body to a harmless version of a virus or bacteria, teaching your immune system to recognize and fight off the real pathogen if you encounter it later. 

10 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Especially given the current explosion of cancers in increasingly young patients. I must say the business model is devilishly smart…

and your paranoia is pernicious.

8 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Disinfectants are not a treatment for Covid, but a preventive for surfaces. Not quite the same thing.

 

The disinfectant chlorine dioxide is a proven effective treatment of various human ailments, I appreciate this is not convenient for you in the context of this exchange, however that does not make it any less true.

5 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

but now we have the farcical situation of unvaccinated children dying in the US from measles

 

As always, the media misinterpret and twist according to their desired spin. For context, in Europe, the WHO reported 127,350 measles cases in 2024. That puts things into perspective.

 

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/13-03-2025-european-region-reports-highest-number-of-measles-cases-in-more-than-25-years---unicef--who-europe#:~:text=Deutsch-,European Region reports highest number of measles cases in more,again in 2023 and 2024.

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The disinfectant chlorine dioxide is a proven effective treatment of various human ailments, I appreciate this is not convenient for you in the context of this exchange, however that does not make it any less true.

Trump has said he knows everything about Covid, which he didn't, that it was only his ego talking. He had others helping him in his speeches , suggesting the disinfectant. This is more of what his influence carries, which has hurt, and killed, many people, especially when he hesitated closing the borders, something his worshipers swept under the rug, as they do on anything he says, much of it being BS...............https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7685699/

8 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

That's not a contradiction. Your help voting him in because the other side was weak has nothing to do with hero worship, but believing his every word does. I didn't trust either side, and my vote wouldn't have made a difference because I saw what was coming.

 

"but believing his every word does"

 

When Trump says "I recommend taking the vaccine" and then people don't take it, it directly contradicts the much-repeated claim that his supporters are cultists who will obey him without question.

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

"but believing his every word does"

 

When Trump says "I recommend taking the vaccine" and then people don't take it, it directly contradicts the much-repeated claim that his supporters are cultists who will obey him without question.

Some people are smart enough to make serious choices, even though they worship another in other aspects. I have very smart family and friends who like him, although they know he's a narcissist, misogynist, racist, cheating, felon who has a very limited vocabulary and was only voted in the first time because they thought that since he's a billionaire, he should be a good president. We found out different. Now that he has a second chance to do better, let's see what a year from now brings. It might be a cult to some, hero worship to others, fear of the dark unknown of the other sides weaknesses, or just that he did a few good things, with help, in his first term. Some things were outright stupid, like his wall. You have to be neutral to see these politicians as they really are, only hoping they don't destroy more than they create.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Trump has said he knows everything about Covid, which he didn't, that it was only his ego talking. He had others helping him in his speeches , suggesting the disinfectant. This is more of what his influence carries, which has hurt, and killed, many people, especially when he hesitated closing the borders, something his worshipers swept under the rug, as they do on anything he says, much of it being BS...............https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7685699/

 

The issue addressed here was the media-driven lie that he had recommended household bleach, and the people's propensity to believe that lie without question.

 

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The issue addressed here was the media-driven lie that he had recommended household bleach, and the people's propensity to believe that lie without question.

 

I never said it was bleach, and provided the actual video for others. This is actually about RFK and his decision to ban vaccines, which are necessary.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I never said it was bleach, and provided the actual video for others. This is actually about RFK and his decision to promote Vitamin A supplements, which are rarely necessary and can hurt, as they did. Also about banning vaccines, which are necessary.

 

Indeed, however I was initially replying to pomchop's comment "Shucks I also missed my chance at immortal idiocy by not sticking a bright light up my butt and drinking bleach".

 

The media's hold on people is so powerful that they can change a valid claim about chlorine dioxide into a prompt to drink bleach. The level of independent and critical thinking these days is dismally low.

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Indeed, however I was initially replying to pomchop's comment "Shucks I also missed my chance at immortal idiocy by not sticking a bright light up my butt and drinking bleach".

 

The media's hold on people is so powerful that they can change a valid claim about chlorine dioxide into a prompt to drink bleach. The level of independent and critical thinking these days is dismally low.

If people look up to the Kardashians, Tom Cruise, Ted Bundy, Putin and others, they can be fooled by most anyone. Like I said, I hope he does some good this time, and for the average man and not just the rich. That's why he has so many detractors. Most everyone knows his personality and character is off, but in that position, he can help millions if he really wants to. He gets a lot of help from others, as they all did, and this reason is why I don't think one man in charge is right, although things have worked out for the good many times. This is a critical time in the world, and relations with other countries should be getting better. I understand his thinking of "America first", and want to believe it is real, but that could hurt our relations with countries we need.

33 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

As always, the media misinterpret and twist according to their desired spin. For context, in Europe, the WHO reported 127,350 measles cases in 2024. That puts things into perspective.

 

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/13-03-2025-european-region-reports-highest-number-of-measles-cases-in-more-than-25-years---unicef--who-europe#:~:text=Deutsch-,European Region reports highest number of measles cases in more,again in 2023 and 2024.

There is no spin. Its the same sad story as the US, where parents are not vaccinating their kids having read the "experts" like the op and the tribe of RFK Jnr followers on SM and similar echo chambers.

Who is Jenna McCarthy? Is she a scientist? Does she have a Nobel Prize? Is she qualified to comment on vaccines?

 

Jenna McCarthy is an American author known for her comedic books for both children and adults. Some of her notable works include "Everything's Relative", "If It Was Easy, They'd Call the Whole Damn Thing a Honeymoon", and "Lola's Rules for Friendship"

2 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

There is no spin. Its the same sad story as the US, where parents are not vaccinating their kids having read the "experts" like the op and the tribe of RFK Jnr followers on SM and similar echo chambers.

 

People are gradually waking up to what vaccines really are, in fact Dr Tenpenny nailed it when she referred to the childhood vax schedule as the "poisoning schedule" (all one needs to do is independently look at the ingredients to realise this fact).

 

(To the bright sparks here: yes, if you Google her, all you will find is hit pieces, one more credibility point for her).

 

 

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

This is actually about RFK and his decision to ban vaccines, which are necessary.

So pumping toxic filth into babes is necessary? Utter nonsense Fred.

 

I thought you were open to discussion.

57 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

So pumping toxic filth into babes is necessary? Utter nonsense Fred.

 

I thought you were open to discussion.

You do what you have to to keep your children safe.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You do what you have to to keep your children safe.

Yes injecting an emergency use concoction  for which the maker has no liability and tested on 8 mice

is certainly the way  to protect children,  who by the way had a minuscule risk from the "virus"

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

if you Google her, all you will find is hit pieces, one more credibility point for her).

 

There is that saying  "you get the most flack when you are directly over the target"

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

his decision to ban vaccines, which are necessary.

He hasn't banned any vaccines  at all ...yet    and why are they necessary ?  how did the human race survive for thousands of years before them if they were necessary, we all should be long gone from this planet by now..no ?   no.

2 hours ago, johng said:

He hasn't banned any vaccines  at all ...yet    and why are they necessary ?  how did the human race survive for thousands of years before them if they were necessary, we all should be long gone from this planet by now..no ?   no.

 

And how are unvaccinated kids always in such stellar health? I mean the real ones in real life, not the fictional ones in the media… My conspirational mind must be playing tricks on me again.

10 hours ago, johng said:

Yes injecting an emergency use concoction  for which the maker has no liability and tested on 8 mice

is certainly the way  to protect children,  who by the way had a minuscule risk from the "virus"

Vaccines aren't for emergency use but to prevent a disease from hurting or killing people.Some seem to doubt the facts they've saved millions of lives, but some don't understand history either.