Trump tells Americans ‘it won’t be easy’

[Yagoda]

22 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well he's showing why tax increases work. High tariffs arr taxes that are just a particularly inept way to raise revenue for the government . 

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The translation of that is you have no idea of what the rate on T Bills means

[Yagoda]

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't hate the USA. I despise Americans who were so dumb they elected a felon and economic illiterate as their President. I feel sorry for the Americans who still have sense and integrity.

 

The Smoot Hawley tariffs of 1930 were a key factor in exacerbating the Great Depression. Obviously you and the orange idiot are incapable of learning from history.

Start a topic then about Smoot Hawley. That should keep this place active for 20 years.

 

You are Trump obsessed and its deranging your life.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Lucky had nothing to do with it.

Of course it did. You were lucky that you didn't get some disease that crippled you, didn't have an accident that crippled you etc. You think you can control a situation where a friend sticks a pencil in your eye by accident, or stop a drunk moron driving into you? I've seen things as a nurse that you have no concept of. Life is precarious.

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4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The translation of that is you have no idea of what the rate on T Bills means

What do over here is just a whole lot of hot air but no explanations of what you understand it to me. What I understand it to mean is that the Fed is getting concerned about the economy going into a recession. It's an especially striking move given that they still aren't satisfied with the inflation rate. What it isn't is positive news about the state of the economy unlike what you apparently believe. You offered the possible t-build declines as a contradiction to what the markets are saying. Quite the contrary, actually.

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not everyone has their retirement plan work. I had one, till the rules got changed. I'll never believe anything any government official says ever again.

I learned that lesson before I even got out of high school as the Vietnam War was unfolding and all the lies were exposed.

 

Learned another crucial lesson from trial & error ... 'work hard for a company, put you 30-40 yrs in & retire'.

 

Found out that was total BS after 3 airlines.  Hence the self employment route, and never looked back.

 

Don't depend on anything, you don't have total control over.

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5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Start a topic then about Smoot Hawley. That should keep this place active for 20 years.

 

You are Trump obsessed and its deranging your life.

Just can't help making those irrelevant personal attacks can you?

[Yagoda]

Just now, placeholder said:

Just can't help making those irrelevant personal attacks can you?

I can barely keep up with you. How did the market close today? I see Netanyu was in DC today negotiating.

[KhunLA]

Just now, Yagoda said:

I can barely keep up with you. How did the market close today? I see Netanyu was in DC today negotiating.

Doesn't he have an ICC warrant out for his arrest ? 

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Just now, Yagoda said:

I can barely keep up with you. How did the market close today? I see Netanyu was in DC today negotiating.

Market was basically flat at closing. If it's Israeli tariffs rou're referring to, they've been basically negligible for years. Israel and the USA have a bilateral agreement.

If not, then not relevant.

[Hamus Yaigh]

15 hours ago, bannork said:

Why doesn't Trump refer to the US $280bn trade surplus in areas such as financial services and social media when he's 'calculating' the trade deficit?

Possibly because he's got the mind of a gangster doing a shake down and lies through his sociopathic face whenever he addresses anyone would be my guess. 

 

How can anyone deal with a guy who says even zero percent tariffs offered in negotiations won't be enough (for Vietnam for example). He makes no sense and probably doesn't understand it himself working off jailbirds like Navarro, and is more concerned about winning a game of golf and telling reporters to note the win several times as market volatility hits highs not seen since Covid, 2008 and 1987. 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

After getting laid off from my 3rd airlines, 1985 (30 yrs old), I simply realize self employment was the way to go, after 15 ish years of playing the employee.  The rest was easy after that realization.

I guess that after leaving the military it was a mistake to choose to become a nurse and get SFA money for looking after the sick and lame of the world. Lucky for them though.

 

I should have followed my friends to Australia and driven a truck in the mines. I'd have got rich just sitting on my ass. Even being a London Tube driver would have been of more benefit to me than being a nurse.

 

Oh well, you better hope someone else chose to work for SFA to be a nurse and look after you when you get sick. We are just such losers, aren't we?

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I learned that lesson before I even got out of high school as the Vietnam War was unfolding and all the lies were exposed.

 

Learned another crucial lesson from trial & error ... 'work hard for a company, put you 30-40 yrs in & retire'.

 

Found out that was total BS after 3 airlines.  Hence the self employment route, and never looked back.

 

Don't depend on anything, you don't have total control over.

I've been trying to make the point that NOBODY has total control over their lives. Don't believe me - go hang out in an emergency room for a while- that'll change your mind. None of them chose to be there.

 

Actually, the best decision I made in my entire life was to join the military. I loved it till it changed and then I didn't. However, everything good about my life followed on from that lucky decision. It was a lucky decision. I never grew up even imagining that- I was going to be a farmer- and it was pure luck I worked with a guy that made me consider it. Had I not joined up my life would have been boring and disappointing. Nursing may have been paid sod all, but it was never boring, and I got to see a lot more of the world than I would have milking cows. All of it pure luck.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Doesn't he have an ICC warrant out for his arrest ? 

Yes but the US isn't in the ICC.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I learned that lesson before I even got out of high school as the Vietnam War was unfolding and all the lies were exposed.

 

Learned another crucial lesson from trial & error ... 'work hard for a company, put you 30-40 yrs in & retire'.

 

Found out that was total BS after 3 airlines.  Hence the self employment route, and never looked back.

 

Don't depend on anything, you don't have total control over.

Out of interest were you a steward on board flights? I often think I should have done that or worked on a cruise ship for the travel.

A lot of things changed for me after I discovered Thailand. I wanted to see the world, but that all ended the day I landed in Thailand many years ago. LOS was my paradise, my heaven on earth.

[KhunLA]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Out of interest were you a steward on board flights? I often think I should have done that or worked on a cruise ship for the travel.

A lot of things changed for me after I discovered Thailand. I wanted to see the world, but that all ended the day I landed in Thailand many years ago. LOS was my paradise, my heaven on earth.

 

Actually did it all, except flight attendant or flying.  Reservations, operations, computer input, weight & balance of ACs, loading, unloading at ramp side, ticket counter, gate agent.  Along with all levels, noob, supervisor, city manager, hire/fire, input for negotiating contracts for service vendors.

 

Never played mechanic, but had to babysit ACs overnight in freezing weather, starting the APUs ever so often, so water lines wouldn't freeze on 727s.   Along with deicing the ACs during inclement & freezing weather.   Jack of all trades after 4 different airlines for 16 ish years.

 

Did allow me to travel to my hearts desire, and on the cheap. $40 round trip domestic First Class, and $200 international FC.   And I used that hell out of those bennies.  Hence part of the 2 days a week, the last 10 years working for NWA.

 

On the 'lucky to never been hurt' ... 2nd real job, 18 yrs old, herniated 2 discs in my back.  Lived with that since, though TBO, not smartly.   After surgery in 1997, was advised to stop working, change jobs, or come back in a couple years, and 'I'll fix you again'.

 

Hence the retiring in 2000/2001.  A wee bit before planned, as aggravated my back again, and got fired, the day after I put in the paperwork.   Thanks 'corporate' world, forcing me to retire 2 years earlier, and actually making it easier.   

 

Leaving on the best union contract, before NWA filed bankruptcy and DL took over.  My pittance of a pension would be even less if they didn't fire me.   As the union screwed the NWA employees, with the merger/take over agreement.   Not me, because I left on the old contract 

 

45 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've been trying to make the point that NOBODY has total control over their lives. Don't believe me - go hang out in an emergency room for a while- that'll change your mind. None of them chose to be there.

 

Actually, the best decision I made in my entire life was to join the military. I loved it till it changed and then I didn't. However, everything good about my life followed on from that lucky decision. It was a lucky decision. I never grew up even imagining that- I was going to be a farmer- and it was pure luck I worked with a guy that made me consider it. Had I not joined up my life would have been boring and disappointing. Nursing may have been paid sod all, but it was never boring, and I got to see a lot more of the world than I would have milking cows. All of it pure luck.

 

 

We can control what we choose, and learn as much as possible, before that choice.  Not saying it always works out, but a little common sense, does go a long way.

 

Farmer, funny you state that, as remember a test in high school, suppose to point you in a career direction, and 'farmer' was the chosen one for me after results tallied up   Forest ranger came in 2nd, and could identify with that one.   My answers must of pointed me to be outdoors, and on my own, and that actually makes sense.

 

One think I liked about playing truck driver and other jobs, outdoors and nobody looking over my shoulder.

 

Thought how ridiculous farming was, but, now in retirement, I wish I had the back to do it, as quite enjoy the garden & greenhouse providing food.   If a younger man with a better back, and need for income, I could actually see me playing farmer.  Now, just get to help the wife a bit, and nothing to physical, as not wishing to disturb my back.  I behave, it behves.

 

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

We are just such losers, aren't we?

Not at all, and we live with our choices.  And I've made plenty of bad ones.  Damn embarrassing ones, but survived.

 

The ol' dust yourself off, and try again.  No excuses from me, for me, or it's all someone or some other entity's fault.  Jobs have screwed me, govt has screwed me, and I've been an idiot at times ...  just live & learn.

 

Move on, till find something that works.  Somehow, novel writing didn't come up as a career choice. 

 

Brother (author 3 books) did suggest I put my photography in a book and have published.

 

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2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

Actually did it all, except flight attendant or flying.  Reservations, operations, computer input, weight & balance of ACs, loading, unloading at ramp side, ticket counter, gate agent.  Along with all levels, noob, supervisor, city manager, hire/fire, input for negotiating contracts for service vendors.

 

Never played mechanic, but had to babysit ACs overnight in freezing weather, starting the APUs ever so often, so water lines wouldn't freeze on 727s.   Along with deicing the ACs during inclement & freezing weather.   Jack of all trades after 4 different airlines for 16 ish years.

 

Did allow me to travel to my hearts desire, and on the cheap. $40 round trip domestic First Class, and $200 international FC.   And I used that hell out of those bennies.  Hence part of the 2 days a week, the last 10 years working for NWA.

 

On the 'lucky to never been hurt' ... 2nd real job, 18 yrs old, herniated 2 discs in my back.  Lived with that since, though TBO, not smartly.   After surgery in 1997, was advised to stop working, change jobs, or come back in a couple years, and 'I'll fix you again'.

 

Hence the retiring in 2000/2001.  A wee bit before planned, as aggravated my back again, and got fired, the day after I put in the paperwork.   Thanks 'corporate' world, forcing me to retire 2 years earlier, and actually making it easier.   

 

Leaving on the best union contract, before NWA filed bankruptcy and DL took over.  My pittance of a pension would be even less if they didn't fire me.   As the union screwed the NWA employees, with the merger/take over agreement.   Not me, because I left on the old contract 

 

 

We can control what we choose, and learn as much as possible, before that choice.  Not saying it always works out, but a little common sense, does go a long way.

 

Farmer, funny you state that, as remember a test in high school, suppose to point you in a career direction, and 'farmer' was the chosen one for me after results tallied up   Forest ranger came in 2nd, and could identify with that one.   My answers must of pointed me to be outdoors, and on my own, and that actually makes sense.

 

One think I liked about playing truck driver and other jobs, outdoors and nobody looking over my shoulder.

 

Thought how ridiculous farming was, but, now in retirement, I wish I had the back to do it, as quite enjoy the garden & greenhouse providing food.   If a younger man with a better back, and need for income, I could actually see me playing farmer.  Now, just get to help the wife a bit, and nothing to physical, as not wishing to disturb my back.  I behave, it behves.

 

Not at all, and we live with our choices.  And I've made plenty of bad ones.  Damn embarrassing ones, but survived.

 

The ol' dust yourself off, and try again.  No excuses from me, for me, or it's all someone or some other entity's fault.  Jobs have screwed me, govt has screwed me, and I've been an idiot at times ...  just live & learn.

 

Move on, till find something that works.  Somehow, novel writing didn't come up as a career choice. 

 

Brother (author 3 books) did suggest I put my photography in a book and have published.

 

Always weird the tendency of some members to make a topic all about themselves or at least allegedly all about themselves. Since we're all anonymous here, who knows how much is fact and how much is fiction?

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Always weird the tendency of some members to make a topic all about themselves or at least allegedly all about themselves. Since we're all anonymous here, who knows how much is fact and how much is fiction?

A couple AN members know me personally, and nobody calling me out for BS.

 

Even a good friend met in Udon Thani, another NWA retiree, but a mechanic, and did the 40+ year, one job, NWA, and their pension was $100 a month per year of service.   So he gets at least $4000 a month pension, and max'd out on Soc Sec, so probably another $4000 a month for that.  

 

That's a nice retirement income.  We all got together for monthly meet  up, so a member or 2 on here, know me personally.

 

Unlike most anonymous keyboard warriors.  I'm an open book, as fear nothing.  Posting photos, vids of self, even maps to our house.  Not anonymous at all, except legal name.

 

Not here to make friends or impress anyone.  But if someone asks me a question, I answer, if not too invasion.  Called being social, after all, this is a social forum.

 

Unlike many, I have nothing to hide 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, KhunLA said:

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

We are just such losers, aren't we?

Not at all, and we live with our choices.  And I've made plenty of bad ones.  Damn embarrassing ones, but survived.

That was sarcasm.

 

I'm sure you made a lot of good choices, while I made some bad ones, but we all make our beds and get to sleep in them. In the dying days of life it's all irrelevant anyway. I'm just happy that I didn't go with farmer, as I had a very interesting life and some of it was amazing. I guess that's as good as it gets.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, placeholder said:

Always weird the tendency of some members to make a topic all about themselves or at least allegedly all about themselves. Since we're all anonymous here, who knows how much is fact and how much is fiction?

I assume that is referring to me. LOL.

If I were going to make up my life on here I wouldn't be referring to my failed relationships ( I'd have married a DDG Thai Chinese uni student and her parents would have bought me a mansion and made me CEO of a major corporation ).

My career in the military would have me retiring as a colonel at least, with a chest full of medals for a glorious TOD in Vietnam.

 

I certainly wouldn't have been a nurse paid far less than I was worth, and you can ask me questions about Antarctica that only one been there would know answers to.

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I assume that is referring to me. LOL.

If I were going to make up my life on here I wouldn't be referring to my failed relationships ( I'd have married a DDG Thai Chinese uni student and her parents would have bought me a mansion and made me CEO of a major corporation ).

My career in the military would have me retiring as a colonel at least, with a chest full of medals for a glorious TOD in Vietnam.

 

I certainly wouldn't have been a nurse paid far less than I was worth, and you can ask me questions about Antarctica that only one been there would know answers to.

Yep ... I'm sure I impress the hell out of people, with my 3 failed marriages, 2 failed live in relationships, living in slums and driving 2nd hand cars, while having 30+ jobs, most unskilled for 25+ years.

 

I can build a good drone from scratch and pretty good with a camera though.

 

As you said, got some great memories &  experiences, and still making a few more.  Can't ask for much more than that. 

 

Just as important, never hurt anyone, or took more than I gave.  Don't recognize the old guy in the mirror sometimes, but I do like him.

[JustinT]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

21 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Doesn't he have an ICC warrant out for his arrest ? 

Yes but the US isn't in the ICC.

 

It doesn't matter.  Neither is the Philippines but they just allowed their former president Duterte to be arrested by the ICC there.

 

Netanyahu had seriously better be careful.  Trump may have him arrested by the ICC while in the US as a negotiating tactic. 

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, JustinT said:

 

It doesn't matter.  Neither is the Philippines but they just allowed their former president Duterte to be arrested by the ICC there.

 

Netanyahu had seriously better be careful.  Trump may have him arrested by the ICC while in the US as a negotiating tactic. 

That will never happen.  Israel is the 'extended' US military in the middle east.  Expensive, but doesn't cost US service folks lives.  

 

As much as I hate supporting Israel, it does save Yanks.  Iran will be dealt with soon enough, and should calm things down in that area for a decade or so.

 

Trump bitch slapped Yemen, and Iran took the hint, and decided to chill for awhile.

[JustinT]

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

That will never happen.  Israel is the 'extended' US military in the middle east.  Expensive, but doesn't cost US service folks lives.  

 

As much as I hate supporting Israel, it does save Yanks.  Iran will be dealt with soon enough, and should calm things down in that area for a decade or so.

The same could be said about Ukraine, they are the extended US military in Eastern Europe, but Trump turned on them.

 

The only reason Trump supported Israel in his first term was his Jewish son in-law Jared.  With Jared gone, it's just a matter of time until Trump abandons Israel like he has all other allies.

[KhunLA]

22 minutes ago, JustinT said:

The same could be said about Ukraine, they are the extended US military in Eastern Europe, but Trump turned on them.

 

The only reason Trump supported Israel in his first term was his Jewish son in-law Jared.  With Jared gone, it's just a matter of time until Trump abandons Israel like he has all other allies.

Comic relief at it's best ... 

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53 minutes ago, JustinT said:

The same could be said about Ukraine, they are the extended US military in Eastern Europe, but Trump turned on them.

 

The only reason Trump supported Israel in his first term was his Jewish son in-law Jared.  With Jared gone, it's just a matter of time until Trump abandons Israel like he has all other allies.

I don't like Trump's or Biden's Israel policy any more than you do. But blaming it on a Jew is obviously anti-semitic. In fact, the Christian right is far more uncritically supportive of Israel than American Jews are. And they are a crucial part of Trump's base.

[JustinT]

31 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I don't like Trump's or Biden's Israel policy any more than you do. But blaming it on a Jew is obviously anti-semitic.

How is saying that a Jewish person is pro Israel anti Semitic?  That is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

 

I like Biden and Trump's support is Israel BTW.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, JustinT said:

The same could be said about Ukraine, they are the extended US military in Eastern Europe, but Trump turned on them.

 

The only reason Trump supported Israel in his first term was his Jewish son in-law Jared.  With Jared gone, it's just a matter of time until Trump abandons Israel like he has all other allies.

Vile disinformation.

 

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3 minutes ago, JustinT said:

How is saying that a Jewish person is pro Israel anti Semitic?  That is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

 

I like Biden and Trump's support is Israel BTW.

Now you've just made it worse. First of all, not all Jews are supportive of Israel's policies. American Jews tend to disapprove strongly of Netanyahu. So right away, you have made one anti-semitic assumption. Your second antisemitic assumption was blaming a Jewish person for Trump's support of Netanyahu. As I pointed out, the Christian right forms a crucial segment of Trump's base. And they are pretty much fanatical in their support for Netanyahu and the harsh treatment of Palestinians.

[JustinT]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Now you've just made it worse. First of all, not all Jews are supportive of Israel's policies. American Jews tend to disapprove strongly of Netanyahu. So right away, you have made one anti-semitic assumption. Your second antisemitic assumption was blaming a Jewish person for Trump's support of Netanyahu.

 

Learn a bit of history before criticizing and showing your ignorance.  Jared was in charge of Trump's first term middle east policies.  He tried to negotiate Israel - Palestine peace.  He supported Netanyahu, and actually knew him personally.  That fact was quite controversial at the time and probably why the Palestinians didn't want to seriously negotiate with him.

 

I'm not blaming anyone.  I'm happy about Trump's support of Netanyahu.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner

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2 minutes ago, JustinT said:

 

Learn a bit of history before criticizing and showing your ignorance.  Jared was in charge of Trump's first term middle east policies.  He tried to negotiate Israel - Palestine peace.  He supported Netanyahu, and actually knew him personally.  That fact was quite controversial at the time and probably why the Palestinians didn't want to seriously negotiate with him.

 

I'm not blaming anyone.  I'm happy about Trump's support of Netanyahu.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner

But why do you make it a salient issue that Kushner was a Jew? Apparently you believe Do you think that if not for Kushner, Trump would have alienated his base by appointing someone less supportive of Israeli policies.

"The only reason Trump supported Israel in his first term was his Jewish son in-law Jared."

Kushner isn't part of the Trump administration now, is he? Has Trump's support of Israel lessened. Why do you think it is relevant that Kushner is a Jew?