Popular Post CharlieH Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 Autopsies on 15 Palestinian paramedics and emergency responders killed by Israeli forces in Gaza reveal they were shot in the upper body with "intent to kill," according to the Palestinian Red Crescent. The organization is calling for an international investigation into what it describes as a deliberate attack on humanitarian workers. The killings occurred on March 23 in Rafah, southern Gaza, during a renewed Israeli offensive. Video footage from one of the victims shows clearly marked ambulances with flashing lights and personnel wearing high-visibility vests moments before they came under fire. The footage contradicts Israel’s initial claim that the vehicles were “suspicious” and lacked proper identification. International Outcry: Germany, one of Israel’s closest allies in the EU, has called for an urgent investigation, with its foreign ministry stating that accountability is essential for maintaining the credibility of Israel’s constitutional state. The United Nations has also condemned the incident, describing it as a potential war crime after the bodies of the medics were discovered in a mass grave near the site of the attack. Conflicting Accounts: The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) initially denied targeting ambulances, claiming troops fired on vehicles believed to be carrying Hamas militants. However, following the release of video evidence, the IDF admitted its earlier account was “mistaken” but maintained that six of those killed had links to Hamas—a claim for which no evidence has been provided. Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir, Israel’s army chief, has ordered a deeper investigation into the incident after an initial review concluded that troops acted out of a “sense of threat.” The Red Crescent and other humanitarian organizations have refuted any connections between their personnel and armed groups, emphasizing that all those killed were unarmed civilians providing medical aid. Demands for Justice: Younis al-Khatib, president of the Red Crescent in the West Bank, stated that all 15 victims were deliberately targeted and called for an independent international commission to investigate. “Why did you hide the bodies?” he asked Israeli forces. “This is no longer about respecting international law—it is about enforcing accountability.” A Pattern of Violence: The attack is part of a broader trend of violence against medical workers in Gaza. In the past 18 months, hundreds of humanitarian staff have been killed by Israeli forces, including six members of World Central Kitchen and several UN employees. Human rights groups accuse Israel of fostering a culture of impunity, with few soldiers ever facing justice for such incidents. Global Impact: The killings have further strained international relations as calls for accountability grow louder. The incident underscores the ongoing challenges faced by humanitarian workers in conflict zones and raises questions about adherence to international law during military operations. Based on various news sources. 08.04.2025 1 1 1 2
Popular Post billd766 Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 Just now, Dcheech said: Well, that is a tragedy. It was not a tragedy as such but a deliberate war crime, compounded by the constant lies and denials from the IDF and the Israeli government. How anyone can accept and believe anything published from Israel is beyond me. 2 19 1 2 2 3 1
Popular Post Dcheech Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 30 minutes ago, billd766 said: How anyone can accept and believe anything published from Israel is beyond me. I got you, and likely feel somewhat the same, not a fan of Netty at all, in fact I despise the man. However I would not be in the least surprised if the red crescent guys were also HAMAS. That is how they do things, they have a past track record of doing exactly that. And somehow this fact gets ignored. HAMAS got the war they wanted, looks like they are crying about it, to anyone who will listen. I would send tissue but just no sympathy left. 2 6 10 1 1
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 They were warned to release all the hostages immediately or face the consequences 1 6 10 1
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 1 hour ago, CharlieH said: The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) initially denied targeting ambulances, claiming troops fired on vehicles believed to be carrying Hamas militants. Israel initially also stated: “Lt Col Nadav Shoshani said troops had opened fire on vehicles that had no prior clearance from Israeli authorities and had their lights off, a statement contradicted by video recovered from the mobile phone of one of those killed.” Those among of us who have ever seen an ambulances with its lights on at night will have difficulty reconciling the initial statements made by Lt Col Nadav Shoshani Moreover we might ask if the truth of the lies he was presenting would have ever have been revealed had the mobile phone not been recovered from a paramedic shot and killed by the IDF then dumped in a shallow grave. The IDF who made ‘mistaken’ accounts (blatant lies) that the ambulance were not showing their lights have produced zero evidence to substantiate their claim that six of those killed had links to Hamas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/07/gaza-paramedics-shot-in-upper-body-with-intent-to-kill-red-crescent-says 2 7 1 7
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: They were warned to release all the hostages immediately or face the consequences Now you offer up excuses for gunning down paramedics. Do you have evidence that the Paramedics the IDF gunned down and dumped in a shallow grave were holding hostages? 1 7 5 3
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Now you offer up excuses for gunning down paramedics. Do you have evidence that the Paramedics the IDF gunned down and dumped in a shallow grave were holding hostages? One of those killed in the ambulance was a Hamas terrorists who participated in the Oct 7th attack . I have provided his name in another thread 1 1 2 1 3
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: One of those killed in the ambulance was a Hamas terrorists who participated in the Oct 7th attack . I have provided his name in another thread Provide it here and evidence that the claim is correct. 1 5 2 4 1
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: They were warned to release all the hostages immediately or face the consequences I agree Hamas must release all the hostages, as it is a war crime. But, attacking or targeting Red Cross/Red Crescent personnel, facilities, or vehicles, which are clearly marked with the emblems (red cross, red crescent, or red crystal), is a violation of IHL and constitutes a war crime. 1 13 1 1 1
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Provide it here and evidence that the claim is correct. Reposting as requested "The Hamas Military wing . One of those killed was Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who is said the be a Hamas member who participated on the Oct 7 th terror attack on Israel . He was a legitimate target " 1 1 3
Nick Carter icp Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Just now, Jeff the Chef said: I agree Hamas must release all the hostages, as it is a war crime. But, attacking or targeting Red Cross/Red Crescent personnel, facilities, or vehicles, which are clearly marked with the emblems (red cross, red crescent, or red crystal), is a violation of IHL and constitutes a war crime. Terrorists were travelling inside the ambulances which makes it a legitimate target and not a war crime 4 1
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Reposting as requested "The Hamas Military wing . One of those killed was Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who is said the be a Hamas member who participated on the Oct 7 th terror attack on Israel . He was a legitimate target " Please provide a link to this otherwise unattributed statement. 1 7 2 3
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Terrorists were travelling inside the ambulances which makes it a legitimate target and not a war crime You have provided no evidence to substantiate that claim. 1 7 2
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Please provide a link to this otherwise unattributed statement. Just did a websearch for you In the statement earlier this week, the IDF’s international media spokesman Lt. Col. Nadav Shoshani said the military “did not randomly attack an ambulance on March 23” and that “following an initial assessment, it was determined that the forces had eliminated a Hamas military operative, Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who took part in the October 7 massacre, along with eight other terrorists from Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/nyt-releases-video-showing-gaza-ambulances-had-emergency-lights-when-idf-fired-on-them/ 2 5
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Terrorists were travelling inside the ambulances which makes it a legitimate target and not a war crime Where is the proof? The only reliable evidence is that Israel lied about the vehicles not running with emergency lighting, when clearly seconds before the attack the video recovered from the site they were. A definite War Crime. 1 7 1 3
Popular Post SingAPorn Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 The foreign media and governance seems far to busy picking on Trump or Russia, when these despicable war crimes in Gaza are going on for years in broad daylight. 5 2
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Just did a websearch for you In the statement earlier this week, the IDF’s international media spokesman Lt. Col. Nadav Shoshani said the military “did not randomly attack an ambulance on March 23” and that “following an initial assessment, it was determined that the forces had eliminated a Hamas military operative, Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who took part in the October 7 massacre, along with eight other terrorists from Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/nyt-releases-video-showing-gaza-ambulances-had-emergency-lights-when-idf-fired-on-them/ Your evidence is a statement from Lt Col Nadav Shoshani, who has already been demonstrated to have lied through his teeth regarding the curious inability of IDF forces to know if Ambulances have their lights on. Moreover this same Lt Col Nadav Shoshani claimed: 1 hour ago, CharlieH said: six of those killed had links to Hamas—a claim for which no evidence has been provided. Zero evidence to back the IDF claims has been produced. Zero! 1 11 2
Popular Post Tidal wave Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 It's odd that Israel has to have standards whilst fighting murderous dogs.. Be honest who would like to live next door to Palestinians not me for sure. 4 1 12 1 2 1
Popular Post Mavideol Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Reposting as requested "The Hamas Military wing . One of those killed was Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who is said the be a Hamas member who participated on the Oct 7 th terror attack on Israel . He was a legitimate target " but no credible reliable link, just a say so, pity 3 4
Popular Post Packer Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 Israeli terrorism and war crimes. Nothing new here. 🙂 1 6 1
Popular Post Mavideol Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Terrorists were travelling inside the ambulances which makes it a legitimate target and not a war crime and you know how ??? when making such a false misleading statement without supporting proof/evidence usually the mods remove it, how did it pass the mods ??? 2 5 1
Popular Post Mavideol Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Just did a websearch for you In the statement earlier this week, the IDF’s international media spokesman Lt. Col. Nadav Shoshani said the military “did not randomly attack an ambulance on March 23” and that “following an initial assessment, it was determined that the forces had eliminated a Hamas military operative, Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki, who took part in the October 7 massacre, along with eight other terrorists from Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/nyt-releases-video-showing-gaza-ambulances-had-emergency-lights-when-idf-fired-on-them/ you must be kidding.... an Israel spokesman said so, they also said no lights, get real man accept the reality and the truth, Israel IDF people are murderers nothing else 4 7
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Your evidence is a statement from Lt Col Nadav Shoshani, who has already been demonstrated to have lied through his teeth regarding the curious inability of IDF forces to know if Ambulances have their lights on. Moreover this same Lt Col Nadav Shoshani claimed: Zero evidence to back the IDF claims has been produced. Zero! The IDF had just been involved in a fire fight killing known terrorists . Vehicles then approached without permission , terrorists have been known to use ambulances for transport . Its understandable that the IDF also eliminated the people in the vehicles approaching . They were a threat 6 1 3
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 6 minutes ago, Tidal wave said: It's odd that Israel has to have standards whilst fighting murderous dogs.. Be honest who would like to live next door to Palestinians not me for sure. Is it too much to ask that the IDF should not gun down paramedics and then lie about it? 1 5 4
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The IDF had just been involved in a fire fight killing known terrorists . Vehicles then approached without permission , terrorists have been known to use ambulances for transport . Its understandable that the IDF also eliminated the people in the vehicles approaching . They were a threat Here’s what we know as facts. 1. The IDF gunned down paramedics wearing high vis paramedic uniforms in/at Ambulances that had their lights on. 2. The bodies of the IDF’s victims were dumped in a shallow grave. 3. The IDF issued statements on the killing that are demonstrably lies. 4. The proof that the IDF are lying is video footage recovered from the phone of an IDF victim exhumed from the shallow grave. 5. In the face of the video evidence the IDF changed their story. 6. The IDF have made statements regarding 6 members of Hamas being in the Ambulances, the IDF have produced zero evidence to support that claim. Those are facts. I suggest you keep it simple, stick to your first defense of this atrocity, it relies on nothing but your own hatred of the IDF’s victims: 58 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: They were warned to release all the hostages immediately or face the consequences 3 7 1 1
Popular Post Jeff the Chef Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The IDF had just been involved in a fire fight killing known terrorists . Vehicles then approached without permission , terrorists have been known to use ambulances for transport . Its understandable that the IDF also eliminated the people in the vehicles approaching . They were a threat Defending the undefendable, again it has been proved without a doubt by the phone recording recovered from the site that the IDF buried both Red Crescent personnel and vehicles who, again were showing all the necessary emergency lighting etc, that the IDF attacked and targeted indiscriminately. 2 8 2
Nick Carter icp Posted April 8 Posted April 8 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Here’s what we know as facts. 1. The IDF gunned down paramedics wearing high vis paramedic uniforms in/at Ambulances that had their lights on. 2. The bodies of the IDF’s victims were dumped in a shallow grave. 3. The IDF issued statements on the killing that are demonstrably lies. 4. The proof that the IDF are lying is video footage recovered from the phone of an IDF victim exhumed from the shallow grave. 5. In the face of the video evidence the IDF changed their story. 6. The IDF have made statements regarding 6 members of Hamas being in the Ambulances, the IDF have produced zero evidence to support that claim. Those are facts. I suggest you keep it simple, stick to your first defense of this atrocity, it relies on nothing but your own hatred of the IDF’s victims: Its important to also mention that the IDF had just been involved in a fire fight with known terrorists and several were killed . An ambulance then approached without permission and it was then the ambulance also got hit . You are just trying to erase that bit and make it appear that the IDF attacked an ambulance for no reason at all 1 4 1
Popular Post IvorBiggun2 Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 Get real. Quote Hamas use ambulances to move terrorists and hostages all the time. They even sent an ambulance to the October 7 massacre 2 1 3
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted April 8 Popular Post Posted April 8 28 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said: Get real. Mistakes were obviously made in this tragic incident but you're right. It's well documented that Hamas use ambulances. Even released hostages have said as much. Former hostage Hagar Brodutch has revealed harrowing details of her abduction and captivity by Hamas terrorists in Gaza, including the transportation of hostages in ambulances across the territory. https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/survivor-testimonies/artc-released-captive-reveals-hamas-moves-hostages-across-gaza-in-ambulances If the terrorists released the hostages incidents like this would not happen. 1 1 1 2
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