Gaza Paramedics Shot ‘With Intent to Kill,’ Red Crescent Demands International Probe

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

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It's a historical fact unfortunately. Hamas using ambulances was even claimed by Mahmoud Abbas the president of the Palestinian Authority back in 2009 as evidenced in the vid below! It will never change until Hamas are no longer in power in Gaza and more incidents will occur as a result. This is not the first one and will not be the last.

This is NOT the first time Hamas has exploited ambulances for terrorism.
 

 

“back in 2009”

 

 

[frank83628]

Cannot question the IDF or Israel

[josephbloggs]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Like this?

 

The situation in Gaza has become so dire that Palestinians have observed hungry dogs and cats eating dead bodies on the streets

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-hamas-war-stray-dogs-eating-dead-on-gaza-streets-as-death-count-mounts-to-42-400-6807705

Pretty sure they're not eating ambulances.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Pretty sure they're not eating ambulances.

Agreed dogs or cats don't eat ambulances......😴

[coolcarer]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“back in 2009”

 

 

Hence “historical fact” many more up to date ones to. It’s a pattern with evidence including more in the vid

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Hence “historical fact” many more up to date ones to. It’s a pattern with evidence including more in the vid

Now all you need to do is demonstrate this ‘historical fact’ was repeated as a current event.

 

The resort that lies and burying evidence suggests otherwise.

 

Give it your best go.

[coolcarer]

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Now all you need to do is demonstrate this ‘historical fact’ was repeated as a current event.

 

The resort that lies and burying evidence suggests otherwise.

 

Give it your best go.

I already said it’s a historical fact happening since 2009 and continuing since Oct 7th. Facts and context for the IDF when dealing with ambulances and the real possibility that they may contain terrorists.
 

why do I need to prove this actually happened in the current incident? I am  not there to carry out an investigation and the context is the point I made.

 

“Give it your best go” you ask me. Your baiting is a fail.🥱

[Nick Carter icp]

32 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Cannot question the IDF or Israel

 Posted in a thread that questions IDF/ Israel 

[Jeff the Chef]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 Posted in a thread that questions IDF/ Israel 

 

Well done, proves the point.

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Well done, proves the point.

 

  What point does it prove ?

In a thread that questions IDF/Israel, someone posts in that thread that you cannot question IDF /Israel .

  You think about that for a while 

[BexMan]

On 4/8/2025 at 9:18 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas use ambulances for transportation , that is a fact .

IDF had been involved in a firefight with deaths , that is a fact .

An ambulance approached , it could have been a legitimate ambulance of Hamas reinforcements .

 IDF didn't take any chances in this life and death situation .

Hamas are at fault for using ambulances as taxis 

Genuine question! Is there a video that shows the ambulance approaching, or are you just quoting what the IDF stated? I only ask as the only video evidence I have seen is on the BBC website. It  shows some stationary  ambulances by the side of the road with a man in high vis jacket in a non threatening stance. They were clearly not approaching the IDF, it was vice Versa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, BexMan said:

Genuine question! Is there a video that shows the ambulance approaching, or are you just quoting what the IDF stated? I only ask as the only video evidence I have seen is on the BBC website. It  shows some stationary  ambulances by the side of the road with a man in high vis jacket in a non threatening stance. They were clearly not approaching the IDF, it was vice Versa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2z103nqxo

 

   Hamas have previously used ambulances to move their members, Hamas terrorists , to attack the IDF .

  Just after a deadly firefight , Palestinian  ambulances show up .

IDF not knowing whether they were genuine ambulances or Hamas reinforcements took no chances and killed them all .

   Not taking any chances .

Could be Hamas , could be doctors .

Need to be selfish and think about their own safety.

Hamas are at fault for previously using ambulances for transport  

[Social Media]

@Jeff the Chef a number of your posts have been removed for baiting and off topic diversion attempts. Please stop now.

[jimmybcool]

On 4/7/2025 at 8:50 PM, billd766 said:

It was not a tragedy as such but a deliberate war crime, compounded by the constant lies and denials from the IDF and the Israeli government.

 

How anyone can accept and believe anything published from Israel is beyond me.

 

OK and do you feel the same way about the war crimes committed by Hamas?  And have they ever used fake ambulances and emergency vehicles with men wearing vests as cover for Hamas fighters before?  Do their lies concern you?

 

I do not exonerate Israel.  But for armchair quarterbacks to constantly berate them when they are fighting an evil force that uses it's own people as shields and targets to use as martyrs and public opinion is sad.  They are fighting an evil far worse than anything Israel has ever done.

 

I always put it in context.  Which side throws gays off roof tops?  Which side allows all people to have representation in a democratically elected system (Hamas has fake elections IMO).  And which side would absolutely open up in friendship if it could be assured no more attacks or invasions?

 

Pretty clear the crazed islamists will never stop until either they kill all the Jews or are destroyed.  Israel doesn't have the luxury of fighting a perfect war.

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

30 minutes ago, BexMan said:

Genuine question! Is there a video that shows the ambulance approaching, or are you just quoting what the IDF stated? I only ask as the only video evidence I have seen is on the BBC website. It  shows some stationary  ambulances by the side of the road with a man in high vis jacket in a non threatening stance. They were clearly not approaching the IDF, it was vice Versa.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno

 

Yes, there is a Sky News video at the bottom of the opening post.

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yes, there is a Sky News video at the bottom of the opening post.

The same vid is linked in his post by the BBC. Why would he have to watch the same one on the first page…..

[Jeff the Chef]

10 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

The same vid is linked in his post by the BBC. Why would he have to watch the same one on the first page…..

 

The Sky News Video shows about 10 seconds earlier than the BBC version, which starts just as they stop. I did see the Palestinian Red Crescent version but can't link it on here.

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

The Sky News Video shows about 10 seconds earlier than the BBC version, which starts just as they stop.

No it doesn’t 

[Jeff the Chef]

Just now, coolcarer said:

No it doesn’t 

 

Whatever, not going to argue over trying to answer another members question.

[zmisha]

On 4/8/2025 at 10:50 AM, billd766 said:

It was not a tragedy as such but a deliberate war crime, compounded by the constant lies and denials from the IDF and the Israeli government.

 

How anyone can accept and believe anything published from Israel is beyond me.

Israel is too small to decide anything on its own. It is probably just a pawn in the hands of bigger players.

[still kicking]

51 minutes ago, zmisha said:

Israel is too small to decide anything on its own. It is probably just a pawn in the hands of bigger players.

Do you mean the US?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

 

Just as it is impossible to tell when a swimming fish is drinking water, so it is impossible to tell when a Palestinian medic or aid worker is actually a terrorist.

 

You'll always reap just what you sow

 

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

 

UNRWA is indirectly responsible for the shooting of the Gaza “Paramedics” When UNRWA morphed from an aid agency into a wing of the terrorist organisation, Hamas, they changed the fundamental rules of conflict; it is when Hamas started using ambulances to relocate terrorist fighters and munitions around Gaza, directly under the eyes of UNRWA.

 

Some of UNRWA’s “aid workers” took part in the most barbaric atrocity in modern history on 7 October, and then subsequently held wounded and dying hostages on behalf of Hamas, in their facilities in Gaza.

 

This changed everything, because once the IDF knew that ambulances were being used for military purposes, in a direct contravention of the Geneva convention, in one fell swoop, they all became legitimate targets; we are yet to know if the "medics" killed in this incident were genuine medics or terrorists, but Hamas themselves legitimised their targeting, nobody else.

 

This has caused a problem for all the left wing seat-sniffers that have been continually criticising Israel with UN quotes, and citing UN resolutions (apart from 181, of course) So now the UN that they have been championing, are shown to have a terrorist organisation controlling its main aid agency; an agency that employs 13,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

 

The once proud reputation of the UN lies tainted, tattered, and completely discredited.

 

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

UNRWA is indirectly responsible for the shooting of the Gaza “Paramedics” When UNRWA morphed from an aid agency into a wing of the terrorist organisation, Hamas, they changed the fundamental rules of conflict; it is when Hamas started using ambulances to relocate terrorist fighters and munitions around Gaza, directly under the eyes of UNRWA.

 

Some of UNRWA’s “aid workers” took part in the most barbaric atrocity in modern history on 7 October, and then subsequently held wounded and dying hostages on behalf of Hamas, in their facilities in Gaza.

 

This changed everything, because once the IDF knew that ambulances were being used for military purposes, in a direct contravention of the Geneva convention, in one fell swoop, they all became legitimate targets; we are yet to know if the "medics" killed in this incident were genuine medics or terrorists, but Hamas themselves legitimised their targeting, nobody else.

 

This has caused a problem for all the left wing seat-sniffers that have been continually criticising Israel with UN quotes, and citing UN resolutions (apart from 181, of course) So now the UN that they have been championing, are shown to have a terrorist organisation controlling its main aid agency; an agency that employs 13,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

 

The once proud reputation of the UN lies tainted, tattered, and completely discredited.

 

 

 

 

 

All very plausible, and eloquently put, but if that was the full story, why did the Israeli Defence Force originally claim troops opened fire because the convoy approached "suspiciously" in darkness without headlights or flashing lights?

[frank83628]

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 Posted in a thread that questions IDF/ Israel 

This isn't a mainstream news channel

[zmisha]

16 hours ago, still kicking said:

Do you mean the US?

I haven't thought about it yet. However, it is unlikely that it is in Israel's interests to anger the countries around them. Because such actions greatly increase Israel's dependence on the United States. After all, in such a situation, if the Americans do not provide the Israelis with their support for 5 minutes, the state of Israel will simply cease to exist. That's why I don't believe that Israel is doing this of its own free will.

[jimmybcool]

3 hours ago, zmisha said:

I haven't thought about it yet. However, it is unlikely that it is in Israel's interests to anger the countries around them. Because such actions greatly increase Israel's dependence on the United States. After all, in such a situation, if the Americans do not provide the Israelis with their support for 5 minutes, the state of Israel will simply cease to exist. That's why I don't believe that Israel is doing this of its own free will.

 

Curious why you think Israel will cease to exist without US constant support?  The countries around them have tried on multiple occasions to wipe them out and failed every time.  And Israel now has the bomb.  They do not need the US.

[zmisha]

22 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

 

Curious why you think Israel will cease to exist without US constant support?  The countries around them have tried on multiple occasions to wipe them out and failed every time.  And Israel now has the bomb.  They do not need the US.

Because the number of citizens in Israel is even less than the number of residents in Bangkok. It's like a single city against the entire middle east.
The Arabs have overwhelming superiority in manpower. Israel has tactical nuclear weapons, but to ensure its security it needs strategic reserves - that is, those that would be guaranteed to destroy any enemy. It certainly does not have those.

[jimmybcool]

4 hours ago, zmisha said:

Because the number of citizens in Israel is even less than the number of residents in Bangkok. It's like a single city against the entire middle east.
The Arabs have overwhelming superiority in manpower. Israel has tactical nuclear weapons, but to ensure its security it needs strategic reserves - that is, those that would be guaranteed to destroy any enemy. It certainly does not have those.

 

Not sure what has changed since the last time the entire Muslim middle east attempted to push the Jews into the sea.  Except the Egyptians and Saudis have both decided it isn't worth the effort.  It's actually only Iran and it's proxies that are still at it and I'd bet on Israel against Iran any day and twice on Sunday. 

[Bkk Brian]

23 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

UNRWA is indirectly responsible for the shooting of the Gaza “Paramedics” When UNRWA morphed from an aid agency into a wing of the terrorist organisation, Hamas, they changed the fundamental rules of conflict; it is when Hamas started using ambulances to relocate terrorist fighters and munitions around Gaza, directly under the eyes of UNRWA.

 

Some of UNRWA’s “aid workers” took part in the most barbaric atrocity in modern history on 7 October, and then subsequently held wounded and dying hostages on behalf of Hamas, in their facilities in Gaza.

 

This changed everything, because once the IDF knew that ambulances were being used for military purposes, in a direct contravention of the Geneva convention, in one fell swoop, they all became legitimate targets; we are yet to know if the "medics" killed in this incident were genuine medics or terrorists, but Hamas themselves legitimised their targeting, nobody else.

 

This has caused a problem for all the left wing seat-sniffers that have been continually criticising Israel with UN quotes, and citing UN resolutions (apart from 181, of course) So now the UN that they have been championing, are shown to have a terrorist organisation controlling its main aid agency; an agency that employs 13,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

 

The once proud reputation of the UN lies tainted, tattered, and completely discredited.

 

 

This changed everything, because once the IDF knew that ambulances were being used for military purposes, in a direct contravention of the Geneva convention, in one fell swoop, they all became legitimate targets; we are yet to know if the "medics" killed in this incident were genuine medics or terrorists, but Hamas themselves legitimised their targeting, nobody else.

 

Great analysis and again more important context. The US gov have many documented accounts stretching back years for Hamas using ambulances and human shields

 

 

https://search.usa.gov/search?affiliate=usagov_all_gov&query=hamas+ambulances