Whats the Plan?

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You mean the guys and gals who got us $35 trillion in debt?   Something had to give. 

 

And it seems that around 70 countries already have delegates on planes and meetings scheduled to renegotiate tariffs and trade agreements.

 

Trump increased the national debt by $7.8 trillion in his first term. The  pigsh!t you are posting has no wings to fly with.

 

Most countries are pivoting away from America as an unreliable trading partner. The delegates are not going to negotiate anything that disadvantages their countries.

 

 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I usually start nodding off at the 2nd or 3rd paragraph.

 

Unfortunately, there are posters on here with the attention span of a goldfish, and about as many brain cells.

[impulse]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Unfortunately, there are posters on here with the attention span of a goldfish, and about as many brain cells.

 

And others who think they're authors and geniuses, but they're not.  They're being led around by the MSM.  And it shows with some of the trigger words and phrases scattered through their lengthy screeches.

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

And others who think they're authors and geniuses, but they're not.  They're being led around by the MSM.  And it shows with some of the trigger words and phrases scattered through their lengthy screeches.

 

 

It's difficult to soar like an eagle when turkeys are posting.

 

 

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump increased the national debt by $7.8 trillion in his first term. The  pigsh!t you are posting has no wings to fly with.

 

Other than that one Covid year, he increased the debt half as fast as Biden did.  About the same rate as Obama.  Not great, but better than Biden.

 

[impulse]

Just now, Lacessit said:

It's difficult to soar like an eagle when turkeys are posting.

 

All I hear is screeching.

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It's difficult to soar like an eagle when turkeys are posting.

 

 

Eagles 100% strike rate

Turkeys 33% losers

[jvs]

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Hopefully some American will come by with their alternative plans

Really?

I was thinking he planned everything in detail?

His plans are the best?

I have some alternative plans but you fail to accept anything that does not come out of your leaders mouth.

Not wanting to hear or accept other opinions is also a big part of the problem.

When you have a mouse in the basement there is no need to burn down your own house and that of the neighbors!

[placeholder]

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Other than that one Covid year, he increased the debt half as fast as Biden did.  About the same rate as Obama.  Not great, but better than Biden.

 

Right. He increased the debt about the same rate as Obama. Except Obama inherited the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. And Biden inherited that Covid crisis.

Here's a chart showing GDP that shows what Obama inherited from Bush, what Trump inherited from Obama and what Biden inherited from Trump.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263591/gross-domestic-product-gdp-of-the-united-states/

 

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

All I hear is screeching.

Nice to know one of your faculties is left.

 

Rationality is a ship that sailed years ago.

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

Really?

I was thinking he planned everything in detail?

His plans are the best?

I have some alternative plans but you fail to accept anything that does not come out of your leaders mouth.

Not wanting to hear or accept other opinions is also a big part of the problem.

When you have a mouse in the basement there is no need to burn down your own house and that of the neighbors!

So just flame, no plan.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Nice to know one of your faculties is left.

 

Rationality is a ship that sailed years ago.

No plan, no altenatives, not even American, and just flame.

[Yagoda]

20 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I usually start nodding off at the 2nd or 3rd paragraph.

 

I dont read more than his username. you know what he is spouting just from that.

[Yagoda]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I already did give you a plan. A plan that revokes  Bush's and Trump's plans which consisted largely of concessions to the wealthy.

OK, lol. Make yourself feel better, but expose yourself more and more. You have nothing as you and your clone BLMFem spout in poor grammar together.

[placeholder]

Just now, Yagoda said:

OK, lol. Make yourself feel better, but expose yourself more and more. You have nothing as you and your clone BLMFem spout in poor grammar together.

I offered a plan to revert to the taxation levels that existed before George H.W. Bush became President. You offered nothing in rebuttal except that it would raise taxes. I have no problem with abolishing taxation bills which overwhelmingly favored the wealthy. What's more, bills that promised that taxes would pay for themselves and instead resulted in increased deficits. You offered no substantive reply. That's why I repeatedly say that you've got nothing. But when I do offer something substantive and you  still call it nothing, all you're doing is offering more nothing. No substance there at all.

[Yagoda]

Got it. Raise taxes. That is your solution to everything. Why do you have to repeat it?

 

Thats your plan for the situation of the world today: raise taxes.

 

Thanks for your highly cogent plan

[Dan O]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I offered a plan to revert to the taxation levels that existed before George H.W. Bush became President. You offered nothing in rebuttal except that it would raise taxes. I have no problem with abolishing taxation bills which overwhelmingly favored the wealthy. What's more, bills that promised that taxes would pay for themselves and instead resulted in increased deficits. You offered no substantive reply. That's why I repeatedly say that you've got nothing. But when I do offer something substantive and you  still call it nothing, all you're doing is offering more nothing. No substance there at all.

Thats because he's just a troll trying to stir up replies and then he has no facts or substance to support his delusional position so claims screeching and whining from posters. He isnt worth replying to anymore as he hasn't got the intellect to discuss the replies that he solicits.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah did ya see 88s diatribe? No plan, just that insane inner screaming of Trump hate, probably AId off Stormfront.

 

I note you haven't responded to Walker88 suggestions other than sneer; most probably why most have declined to engage in your game. Regards trump rejection it's mostly instinct, that he also claims as his guide, to reject his decisions which can be easily rolled back as he is governing by Executive Order rather than by enacted legislation Personally I see it as as self evident that trump is very heavily guided by the paleo conservatives influencers is his Administration, which needs to be turned around as it's quickly eroding US ethics and reputation.

 

 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Thats because he's just a troll trying to stir up replies and then he has no facts or substance to support his delusional position so claims screeching and whining from posters. He isnt worth replying to anymore as he hasn't got the intellect to discuss the replies that he solicits.

As I remarked somewhere else, there's an adage that says the best defense is a good offense. The best defense he can come up with is a bad offense. Which may be the worst defense.

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I note you haven't responded to Walker88 suggestions other than sneer; most probably why most have declined to engage in your game. Regards trump rejection it's mostly instinct, that he also claims as his guide, to reject his decisions which can be easily rolled back as he is governing by Executive Order rather than by enacted legislation Personally I see it as as self evident that trump is very heavily guided by the paleo conservatives influencers is his Administration, which needs to be turned around as it's quickly eroding US ethics and reputation.

 

 

Thats your plan?

 

OK which exec orders will you roll back?

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Well, if stuck, one could just do the opposite of what POTUS is doing. Can't hurt.

 

The economy was doing just fine under Biden, though lack of skills and talents in the modern economy did leave out lots of MAGAs. Sadly, they is nothing anyone can do for them. They are being selected out in a world of Darwinian Capitalism. Giving them pie-in-the-sky fantasies and telling them their failure is not their fault gets votes, but doesn't alter reality.

 

Those with marketable skills and talents saw their net worth soar during the Biden years, where the US experienced its best growth since the late 1990s under Clinton. Had the new POTUS done nothing, he could have reaped the rewards Biden handed him and ridden Biden's coattails, at worst into a soft landing. He blew it. Badly.

 

One thing that DOGE revealed---much to everyone's surprise---is that other than the Pentagon, the government was rather efficient, and there wasn't anywhere near as much waste, fraud and abuse as the average person thought. Sadly, defense was largely off the table, so the budget is stuck with massive cost overruns and delays produced by defense contractors.

 

The deficit wasn't even the problem so many love to claim it is, owing to the fact that the system is based on debt and suspension of disbelief. SO long as debt is serviced, it can continue for a long time. Yes, eventually a reset is required, but the US was decades away from it, running a debt-to-GDP ratio much better than most major nations such as the UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Japan and others. Japan's debt-to-GDP dwarfs the US, but even its day of reckoning hasn't yet come. Spend within reason, pay interest, and keep the GDP level in mind, and the US could have continued into the 22nd Century.

 

As for trade, there has long been a kind of quid pro quo: the US runs a trade deficit in products, but foreigners then fund 30% of the deficit. The US does run a service surplus, so that mitigates much of the trade in products. Yes, jobs were shifted offshore, but offshore was merely a way station to oblivion, as technology replaced human labor. Steel plants built in the last decade or so employ maybe 3% of the people they did a few decades ago. Human labor has been obviated. That gets back to the MAGA forlorn: they simply have precious little to offer the modern economy.

 

As for Immigration, yes, there must be a policy, given many want to come live and work in the place the current POTUS claimed was 'carnage'. Funny the migrants had a far different view of Biden's economy. It wasn't carnage, but a chance to live the American Dream. Net net Americans benefited from the migrant flow, as lower paying jobs most Americans did not want were snapped up by migrants, legal and illegal. They worked farms, harvesting crops machinery cannot yet pick, working in meat plants that put food in our stores at affordable prices, or even doing jobs such as working at POTUS' country clubs and golf courses. Migrants did commit some crimes, but at a rate far below legal Americans.

 

While Dems have been a bit slow to act on Immigration, a workable bipartisan Bill was brought to Congress in early 2024, but the R candidate quashed it.

 

How about wars? The US did not start either of the two major conflicts, but certainly POTUS has no clue how to stop them. Rewarding the aggressor in Ukraine is certainly not it. POTUS is unaware of history, but Europe did not simply give in to Hitler, nor did the US give in to Japan. Similarly, the people of Ukraine did not want to be subjugated by a self-serving brutal tyrant. In the Middle East, sadly, Netanyahu has been given the green light to eliminate the Palestinians, most of whom are innocent. GAZA might have been ruled by Hamas, but why the killings in the West Bank and the continued settlements? That simply creates more "terrorists". Hamas now has more fighters than before October 2023. Nobody can kill an ideology, something the US should have learned in Vietnam and Afghanistan. IN any event, POTUS has no solution to either conflict.

 

None of the issues POTUS claimed "Only I can solve" are anywhere near being solved, and some are much worse for what he has done. The markets have tumbled, the US, and likely the world, is moving into a Recession or worse, relationships with allies have been shattered, the US is mistrusted and is losing influence by the minute, the deficit may well become a problem due to slashed tax revenues (staff cuts at IRS are expected to cut tax collection by $500 billion per year), the slowing economy, foreigners pulling back from funding the 30% of the deficit they have been funding, and the unnecessary and pointless tax cut POTUS wants to do in order to benefit the Donor Class.

 

So, in sum, a good start is to do the opposite of whatever POTUS wants to do. There is a reason he has been a failure for his entire life---save for daddy's money and loan co-signing---until Mark Burnett made up a fantasy. POTUS has one major talent, which is fooling the ignorant, the naive, the gullible and the forlorn. Slowly, even the most dimwitted MAGA is going to come to the realization the guy is a total fraud, willfully ignorant and incompetent, though for most MAGAs it will be too late. The damage will have been done.

 

So long as POTUS remains in power, and Congress fails to do its job, we will have a crashing market, Recession or Depression, and a deficit that will become an issue decades before it needed to be...and with no solution POTUS can muster.

 

These will be the worst of times, but at least the MAGA fantasy will be crushed and tossed into the dustbin, orcesspool, of history.

 

 

Thank you for taking the time to write all of this and I'm sorry it's being completely ignored by Yagoda even though he's the one shouting for solutions. It's perhaps not surprising though that one of the more rabid Trump supporters is shouting for 'alternatives plans to Trump' in a 'do you think you could do better' kind of manner, but when presented with said plans, chooses to completely ignore them. It's like a 10 year old child sticking their fingers in their ears and loudly shouting 'la, la, la, la, la - can't hear you!'

 

I (and many others I'm sure) however appreciate your well thought out and eloquent response. 

[Don Giovanni]

To smash the world economy to pieces and America takes all the spoils.

 

Plain and simple.

 

The Don (MAGA Fan).

[amexpat]

Trying to reason with cult members is a challenge for professional deprogrammers.  They had limited succss with the Moonies, Davidians at Waco, Scientology, etc. because they are trained psychologists.  

You can try it yourself with the magas  just for perverse entertainment but don't expect to make a difference.  

[placeholder]

11 minutes ago, Don Giovanni said:

To smash the world economy to pieces and America takes all the spoils.

 

Plain and simple.

 

The Don (MAGA Fan).

Because economics is a zero sum game?

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Other than that one Covid year, he increased the debt half as fast as Biden did.  About the same rate as Obama.  Not great, but better than Biden.

 

What has that got to do with the tariff crisis?

[rough diamond]

17 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Thank you for taking the time to write all of this and I'm sorry it's being completely ignored by Yagoda even though he's the one shouting for solutions. It's perhaps not surprising though that one of the more rabid Trump supporters is shouting for 'alternatives plans to Trump' in a 'do you think you could do better' kind of manner, but when presented with said plans, chooses to completely ignore them. It's like a 10 year old child sticking their fingers in their ears and loudly shouting 'la, la, la, la, la - can't hear you!'

 

I (and many others I'm sure) however appreciate your well thought out and eloquent response. 

I agree!

Yagoda seems to have either put all those who disagree with it on ignore or is just refusing to respond with any coherent answers to ANY contrary questions it is asked.

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

What has that got to do with the tariff crisis?

Good question.  I'm only replying to the post.

[rough diamond]

58 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So just flame, no plan.

Just as you always do.

When will you actually make a constructive comment?

[rough diamond]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

Good question.  I'm only replying to the post.

Which you had already taken off topic to discuss debt rather than the topic!

[Yagoda]

 

Just now, rough diamond said:

Just as you always do.

When will you actually make a constructive comment?

I wrote the topic LOL. Which you are unable to respond to. 

 

So with that it mind, guess Im the constructive one LOL