Large Cleveland Clinic study shows a +27% increase getting the flu for flu-shot takers

[Red Phoenix]

People who received a flu shot this winter were MORE likely to get the flu, a major new study shows

Flu shots don't work. We need to stop pretending they do. They should be pulled from the market unless and until large, long-term placebo-controlled studies prove they're safe and effective.

Source: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-people-who-received-a-flu

 

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Excellent article/reporting by Alex Berenson on his 'Unreported Truths' substack. 

 

Here the intro to the article: 

> A big new study has offered yet more evidence that flu shots do not work - and may sometimes even increase the chances people will get influenza.

With flu deaths in the United States soaring in 2025 despite aggressive vaccination efforts, when will public health bureaucrats admit the truth of their failure?

Adults who received a flu shot were 27 percent more likely to get the flu this winter, Cleveland Clinic researchers found. You read that right. Their risk was higher.

“We were unable to find that the influenza vaccine has been effective in preventing infection,” the researchers wrote, in a masterpiece of understatement.

 

You can read the full - worthwhile - article here > 

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-people-who-received-a-flu

And the pre-print of that major Cleveland Clinic study can be accessed here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.01.30.25321421v3

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

If some of you are still thinking that the nation’s health is built on universal vaccination protocols you might examine the results of research more closely.

The Cleveland Clinic is a prestigious medical institution in Ohio. It is consistently ranked as one of the best hospitals in the United States. For the past twenty years in the fields of cardiology, heart, and vascular surgery, Cleveland Clinic has been ranked and regarded as the best and highest-performing hospital in the world. It requires regular vaccination for its 54,402 staff, but allows applications for exemptions on medical or religious grounds.

In 2024/25 it mandated the flu vaccine. In all, 43,857 staff (82%) received the vaccine. The remainder received exemptions and were unvaccinated. A study approved by the Clinic has just been published on MedRxiv under the title “Effectiveness of the Influenza Vaccine During the 2024-2025 Respiratory Viral Season“.

     https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.01.30.25321421v3

It examines the outcomes of the vaccination program over a 25 week period. It found:

“Over the course of the study the cumulative incidence of influenza increased more rapidly among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. In an analysis adjusted for age, sex, clinical nursing job, and employment location, the risk of influenza was significantly higher for the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated state (HR, 1.27; 95% C.I., 1.07 – 1.51; P = 0.007), yielding a calculated vaccine effectiveness of −26.9% (95% C.I., −55.0 to −6.6%).”

In other words the flu shot predisposed its staff to become infected with influenza—a negative effectiveness. The results are challenging to the accepted flu vaccination protection paradigm.

Sometimes it is necessary to go back to basics to examine the fundamentals of what we believe in and what we do. A message that has never been more timely than today. Increasingly, public messaging is being based on belief, ideology and advertising tricks rather than science and common sense. The effect of this mistake is exacerbated by the rapid changes taking place in medicine, food and technology.

 

Source: https://hatchardreport.com/civilisations-are-overwhelmed-by-their-own-excesses/

[johng]

This is not "new" news ...but still they do it.

 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

I had an email from Children's Health  Defence in the week highlighting this study.

 

27 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The Cleveland Clinic is a prestigious medical institution in Ohio. It is consistently ranked as one of the best hospitals in the United States.

 

Not in my book. If a hospital group requires vaxxes, then it is nothing less than a place with quackery tendencies.

 

27 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It requires regular vaccination for its 54,402 staff, but allows applications for exemptions on medical or religious grounds.

In 2024/25 it mandated the flu vaccine. In all, 43,857 staff (82%) received the vaccine.

 

What is a vaccine actually for? If it is to stop, or lessen, the effects of a specific virus; where is the evidence that the virus exists?

 

I thought the end-game for believing in viruses was coming fast. There was simply too much truth out there. Then I see this nonsense.

 

I'm not really questioning their data findings. What I'm saying, is that the flu is not a disease. Not caused by a virus. Not something that a vaxx can cure. Not something that can be passed from one person to another. 

 

Dear me!!! Getting the flu is a good thing. Think I'll get it touch with this place of quackery, and put them straight.

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'm not really questioning their data findings. What I'm saying, is that the flu is not a disease. Not caused by a virus. Not something that a vaxx can cure. Not something that can be passed from one person to another. 

 

Dear me!!! Getting the flu is a good thing.  ...

 

The Cleveland Clinic cannot be accused of being 'anti-vax'.   

In 2024/25 it mandated the flu vaccine for all its personnel. In all, 43,857 staff (82%) received the vaccine. The remainder received exemptions and were unvaccinated.

So it is actually quite surprising that they not only conducted this large flu-shot effectiveness study, and that they not buried the results, but released them, showing NEGATIVE effectiveness of the shot. 

Those result should be a clear wake-up call for all those that rolled up their sleeve for their annual flu-shot, as the study showed a +27% increase in catching the flu after the shot. 

And then we are not even addressing the adverse effects of the shot.  

 

Instead of letting nature do its work - flu is a cleansing mechanism of your body to get rid of toxins - a multi-billion $ medical industry has been set up to needlessly inject people with unsafe and ineffective concoctions every year.  

Luckily but looooooong overdue, people are finally waking up to the con, as vaccine-hesitancy is steadily growing. 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

The Cleveland Clinic cannot be accused of being 'anti-vax'.   

In 2024/25 it mandated the flu vaccine for all its personnel. In all, 43,857 staff (82%) received the vaccine. The remainder received exemptions and were unvaccinated.

So it is actually quite surprising that they not only conducted this large flu-shot effectiveness study, and that they not buried the results, but released them, showing NEGATIVE effectiveness of the shot. 

Those result should be a clear wake-up call for all those that rolled up their sleeve for their annual flu-shot, as the study showed a +27% increase in catching the flu after the shot. 

And then we are not even addressing the adverse effects of the shot.  

 

Instead of letting nature do its work - flu is a cleansing mechanism of your body to get rid of toxins - a multi-billion $ medical industry has been set up to needlessly inject people with unsafe and ineffective concoctions every year.  

Luckily but looooooong overdue, people are finally waking up to the con, as vaccine-hesitancy is steadily growing. 

This clinic has thousands of employees. The management are creating a team of sickies. They are practicing modern-day lobotomy. They are practicing medicine that has no science behind it. It is nothing short of 'quackery'. And it's 2025??!!

 

The stranglehold of Big Pharma is truly amazing. They have compromised people, in all departments at the top, virtually everywhere. 

 

Kennedy should order re-runs of all the important lab-trials since Dr Enders in 1954. We must get some truth into science. And truthful science into medicine. What better way to start than to re-do many of the fraudulent experiments of the past. 

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

[Red Phoenix]

This post on top of the findings by researchers from Cleveland Clinic that Adults who received a flu shot were 27 percent more likely to get the flu this winter (see Original Post).

Here the link to an article by Steve Kirsch highlighting the findings of 3 more peer-reviewed studies showing that the influenza vaccines do not work, and worse. 

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3 studies show definitively that the influenza vaccines don't work 

But the press still thinks it does. There are record flu deaths in California this year, but they never report on the vaccination status of the people who died. Why not?

 

 

Executive summary

We’ve known for over 20 years now that flu vaccines don’t work.

So why is the CDC and mainstream media still promoting them?

It’s been confirmed in two other studies since then, one that explicitly used a different method and found exactly the same thing and one paper that accidentally exposed the fraud (they only realized it after I pointed it out).

Still no change.

 

> You can read the full article here: 

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/3-studies-show-definitively-that

 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

This post on top of the findings by researchers from Cleveland Clinic that Adults who received a flu shot were 27 percent more likely to get the flu this winter (see Original Post).

Here the link to an article by Steve Kirsch highlighting the findings of 3 more peer-reviewed studies showing that the influenza vaccines do not work, and worse. 

= = =

3 studies show definitively that the influenza vaccines don't work 

But the press still thinks it does. There are record flu deaths in California this year, but they never report on the vaccination status of the people who died. Why not?

 

 

Executive summary

We’ve known for over 20 years now that flu vaccines don’t work.

So why is the CDC and mainstream media still promoting them?

It’s been confirmed in two other studies since then, one that explicitly used a different method and found exactly the same thing and one paper that accidentally exposed the fraud (they only realized it after I pointed it out).

Still no change.

 

> You can read the full article here: 

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/3-studies-show-definitively-that

 

As much as I applaud Mr Kirsch for getting the facts out there, I can't help thinking that he is tinkering around the edges a fair bit.

 

Ask the question; what are vaccines actually for? It is easy to look that up on the www. Although, the meaning of the word (vaccine), has changed a little in the last 50 years. But, the definitions all revolve around eliminating the effects of; lessening the effects of; protecting others from the effects of,,,. etc,,,etc,,,.

 

Effects of what you might ask!! Of course, it's the elusive virus. Don't yer know! The minute entity, lurking around every corner, waiting to pounce, and render us sick,,,or,,, dead even.

 

Is the world ready for the realisation that pathogenic viruses are a myth? And that myth, has been consistently exaggerated to keep people in poor health, make selected companies rich, and keep white-coats in their very cushy jobs; for 100+ years. It also lets the real polluting baddies off the hook.

 

Let's look at the past 70 years. In 1954, Dr Enders was the first to say he had discovered a virus, that caused the breakdown of healthy tissue. He did an experiment, that ran alongside the proper one - with the puss from a measles pustule - and what happened? The same thing. Both petri dishes saw the tissues broken down. What's more he stated such in the summary.

 

White-coats however, latched onto the new way of finding a virus, and this unscientific, fraudulent process has become the norm.

 

The truth; a virus has never been isolated in a scientific manner; and crucially, never been shown to cause sickness. How could it? It don't exist.

 

No virus = no need for a vaccine.

 

The scientific medical world needs to face a huge truth. It is itself a unscientific fraud.

 

Hope Mr Kirsch reads this.

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Is the world ready for the realisation that pathogenic viruses are a myth? And that myth, has been consistently exaggerated to keep people in poor health, make selected companies rich, and keep white-coats in their very cushy jobs; for 100+ years. It also lets the real polluting baddies off the hook.

That's a rhetoric question, as most certainly the world is not ready to even consider the vaccine-lie it in spite of all the evidence. 

 

[KhunLA]

Actually surprised it's only 27%, as would expect 75% or more.

[rattlesnake]

Ten years ago, when I was still a vaccine believer, I asked my GP in France to vaccinate my then two year-old son against the flu. He recommended not doing it, saying it was a lot better to let his immune system take care of itself and that none of his own children had ever been jabbed for it. This doctor is not a "conspiracy theorist" by any stretch of the mind. A couple more physicians told me the exact same thing over the years, including for adults. It seems that the flu vaccine's lack of efficacy is well known in the medical community.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More anti-vax disinformation from the usual sources:

 

What vaccine skeptics are getting wrong about a new Cleveland Clinic study on the flu vaccine

April 11, 2025

 

 

 

"According to the CDC, during seasons when the flu vaccine strains and the circulating flu strains match, the vaccine "has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40% to 60%.

 

Robert H. Hopkins Jr., the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases’ medical director, said the Cleveland Clinic study does not evaluate the primary benefit for getting vaccinated against influenza: reducing one’s risk for severe illness, hospitalization and death.

...

Nabin Shrestha, a physician and coauthor of the study, said that although the results found an increased risk of influenza among vaccinated participants, the authors understood that the increased risk "could have been from an unrecognized factor," and therefore did not conclude that the vaccine increases infection risk."

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/apr/11/cleveland-clinic-study-flu-vaccine-infection/

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 things doctors wish patients knew about flu vaccines

American Medical Association

Oct 4, 2024

 

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Last year’s flu season resulted in at least 35 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 25,000 deaths in the U.S. This included 187 pediatric deaths, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). For the 2022–2023 flu season, the CDC estimated that flu vaccination prevented 6 million flu-related illnesses in the U.S., 2.9 million medical visits, 65,000 hospitalizations and 3,700 deaths. [emphasis added]

 

Can reduce flu risk by up to 60%

“We typically don't know the effectiveness of the vaccine until we really get into flu season, and we can see what types of viruses actually end up circulating in the population,” said Dr. Kirley, adding that every year, the flu vaccine is adjusted to align with what is predicted to be the most likely strains circulating.

 

“It typically falls somewhere between 40% and 60% effectiveness,” she said. “Even when the vaccine is only 30% effective at preventing flu, that is still very meaningful and crucial for preventing hospitalizations and deaths.” 

 

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/8-things-doctors-wish-patients-knew-about-flu-vaccines#

 

 

 

[rumak]

On 4/12/2025 at 1:04 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

This clinic has thousands of employees. The management are creating a team of sickies. They are practicing modern-day lobotomy. They are practicing medicine that has no science behind it. It is nothing short of 'quackery'. And it's 2025??!!

 

The stranglehold of Big Pharma is truly amazing. They have compromised people, in all departments at the top, virtually everywhere. 

 

Kennedy should order re-runs of all the important lab-trials since Dr Enders in 1954. We must get some truth into science. And truthful science into medicine. What better way to start than to re-do many of the fraudulent experiments of the past. 

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

"The stranglehold of Big Pharma is truly amazing. They have compromised people, in all departments at the top, virtually everywhere. "      

 

BINGO !   I have pointed out for years WHY  it is so difficult to make changes .  Many of "us"  can not understand how imbedded the system of lies is .  

I am convinced that at the "top" the motives are all about control, greed, and run by psycopaths.   Unfortunately ....... the old saying "if you can't beat em ,  join em"  seems to be deemed necessary by the majority of people.

Only a few hardcore resistors left .  IMO .   Whether Trump and Kennedy and "team" can make a dent is the question .  ( not to mention , are they really in it to win it ! )

[Stiddle Mump]

Indeed!

 

Perhaps the main reason why any white-coat suddenly decides that his 'oath' is important gets ostracised, and often loses all income streams.

 

Kennedy, for me, is tinkering around the edges. Early days yet I know. But, if the true science is to emerge, during the next 4 years, then he had better get going.

 

I've said it many times. Re-visit the experiments, with independent observers, and let's see the actual truth emerge.

 

Just as a side dish Sir. I recall your posts of yesteryear. Any you had only one or two members who took your stance on board.

[rumak]

23 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Indeed!

 

Perhaps the main reason why any white-coat suddenly decides that his 'oath' is important gets ostracised, and often loses all income streams.

 

Kennedy, for me, is tinkering around the edges. Early days yet I know. But, if the true science is to emerge, during the next 4 years, then he had better get going.

 

I've said it many times. Re-visit the experiments, with independent observers, and let's see the actual truth emerge.

 

Just as a side dish Sir. I recall your posts of yesteryear. Any you had only one or two members who took your stance on board.

 

seem like my link got ...erased ?    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_3Nf6xjeFs

 

and, to lighten the mood a bit after the weekend MMA contests here ..... I found this a bit uplifting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpWNDWfkQJM

 

( a bit "staged" ... i guess.  But nice to see a somewhat slender female opera singer )

 

and.... glad you remember those lockdown days gone by .   I didn't know that owls have good memories too  .   

 

[connda]

That matches my own anecdotal experience.

I religiously took my employer provide annual flu shots for decades, and I came down with the flu on the average of about once every three years.

I stopped taking flu shots about 20 years ago, anddddddd - I haven't had the flu since.
But I did get Covid from my wife in August 2023 which amounted to a mild flu and a 72 hours mild fever, and now have natural immunity, probably much like my immune system's reaction to any flu that may be going around - I just don't get it.  No shots, no flu.

But for all of the Masked True Believers out there.  Get all of your shots, regularly.  Get your mRNA Covid shots twice a year or as recommended by "The Experts."  Safe and Effective!  Take them all and be Super-Duper Safe!  And keep those masks on, and social distance!  Never can be too safe. 
And stay away from unmasked farangs - they're probably Anti-Vaxxer AN members!  Danger danger danger - they'll give you Covid (and the flu) for sure if you stray within 6 feet of them without a mask. 

[connda]

On 4/12/2025 at 11:10 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

What is a vaccine actually for? If it is to stop, or lessen, the effects of a specific virus; where is the evidence that the virus exists?

I just don't go down that rabbit hole.  If people want to believe that viruses don't exist and that the flu (and Covid, and Rabies, and Herpes) are just "bad humours" or an imbalance of blood, phlegm, black bile, or yellow bile - you know, whatever.  Unlike some here, I'm more than happy for you to have your own opinion and act on it accordingly. The problem with the "Viruses Don't Exist" thesis is that no one who holds that position has ever been able to provide me with a observable alternative explanation that I can personally accept. So for the time being, diseases that aren't explicitly bacterial pathogen induced, and which we are told are viral in nature, well...that explanation works for me personally. 

[connda]

On 4/22/2025 at 10:26 PM, rattlesnake said:

Ten years ago, when I was still a vaccine believer, I asked my GP in France to vaccinate my then two year-old son against the flu. He recommended not doing it, saying it was a lot better to let his immune system take care of itself and that none of his own children had ever been jabbed for it. This doctor is not a "conspiracy theorist" by any stretch of the mind. A couple more physicians told me the exact same thing over the years, including for adults. It seems that the flu vaccine's lack of efficacy is well known in the medical community.

Flu shot efficacy in the US sourced from the CDC and placed in chart form:

"Get yer shots $$$Cha-Ching$$$.  Safe and sorta effective! $$$Cha-Ching$$$"

 

I love the 2020-2021 data:  "Covid Cures The Flu" so we can't give an estimate of the flu shot's efficacy because Covid did a better job.

[connda]

On 4/23/2025 at 9:33 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More anti-vax disinformation from the usual sources:

 

What vaccine skeptics are getting wrong about a new Cleveland Clinic study on the flu vaccine

April 11, 2025

 

 

 

"According to the CDC, during seasons when the flu vaccine strains and the circulating flu strains match, the vaccine "has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40% to 60%.

 

Robert H. Hopkins Jr., the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases’ medical director, said the Cleveland Clinic study does not evaluate the primary benefit for getting vaccinated against influenza: reducing one’s risk for severe illness, hospitalization and death.

...

Nabin Shrestha, a physician and coauthor of the study, said that although the results found an increased risk of influenza among vaccinated participants, the authors understood that the increased risk "could have been from an unrecognized factor," and therefore did not conclude that the vaccine increases infection risk."

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/apr/11/cleveland-clinic-study-flu-vaccine-infection/

 

 

Get yer shots my man.  Get them all.  Especially the Covid mRNA shots.  Get those twice a year.  Make sure everyone in your family gets them too.  Don't ever miss a shot!  And get those flu shots annually.  Ask your doctor, but maybe twice a year is better.  Maybe more is better?  The Flu is a deadly killer and it will get 'cha for sure if you don't get your shots.  Safe and Effective!  Just ask Dr. Tony (I Get My Covid Shots Regularly And Have Had Covid Three Times) Fauci.  Just keep repeating:  "MedRxiv isn't peer-reviewed so it's all 'fake science.'"  Then laugh hysterically.  "Muuhhaahhhaaahhaa - fake science, fake sciences ha ha ha ha ha."  Then get your shots.  You can take those mRNA Covid shots as little as two months apart.  Get them now! Millions and millions and millions of foreigner come to Thailand each year and they are all potential Covid and Flu virus carries.  So mask up, social distance, wash your hands a frequently as a raccoon, and get all of yer shots as often as you can!  And keep repeating after me,  "The Flu Shots are Safe And Highly Effective. If I take the Flu Shot, I will never get the Flu.  The MedRxiv studies are fake science.  Ha ha ha. Covid and the Flu are gonna get all ya antivaxxers.  ha ha ha"    "Antivaxxers are stoopid and the last words from yer dying lips will be, 'I wish I had taken my Flu shots!'."