Trump Is Already Slowing Global Trade as Companies Pause Orders

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is a public forum open to all members, If you want to have a 2 way conversation with someone, that's what PM is for. I wasn't aware that the powers that be had delegated the authority to you to dismiss other members. Did they give you a badge, too?

Likewise if i choose not to obey your demands or engage with you i also do not have to. You have a way of inserting you into everything. You are the guy that when you walk in the bar and he is there I walk out. I obviously don't have anything really to say to you. 

 

I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now.

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, jas007 said:

In case you are unaware, China is not the only place on Earth that has "rare earths." Nor is it the only producer. 

In case you are unaware, China mines 70% of the world's rare earths. It processes 90% of rare earths into usable form.

 

FYI, the richest deposit of the rare earth elements neodymium and praseodymium is in Australia. The mine and processing for concentrate  will come into production late 2025.

 

Unfortunately for America, most of its output is forward sold to the EU for the next ten years.

[CallumWK]

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[jas007]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

In case you are unaware, China mines 70% of the world's rare earths. It processes 90% of rare earths into usable form.

 

FYI, the richest deposit of the rare earth elements neodymium and praseodymium is in Australia. The mine and processing for concentrate  will come into production late 2025.

 

Unfortunately for America, most of its output is forward sold to the EU for the next ten years.

What about the deposits in Russia and Ukraine that Trump is trying to make a deal on?  And America has its own deposits.  If push comes to shove, I think they can extract those deposits fairly quickly.  

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

What about the deposits in Russia and Ukraine that Trump is trying to make a deal on?  And America has its own deposits.  If push comes to shove, I think they can extract those deposits fairly quickly.  

It takes on average 5-7 years to develop a mine, more if beneficiation is required. How cost effective it is, also depends on the ore body grades. No two mines are the same in terms of the treatment technologies required to make the mine profitable. That takes time in research.

 

I was on the ground floor of the first iron ore boom in Western Australia back in the sixties, so I may just know a bit more about mine development than you do.

 

 

[jas007]

36 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It takes on average 5-7 years to develop a mine, more if beneficiation is required. How cost effective it is, also depends on the ore body grades. No two mines are the same in terms of the treatment technologies required to make the mine profitable. That takes time in research.

 

I was on the ground floor of the first iron ore boom in Western Australia back in the sixties, so I may just know a bit more about mine development than you do.

 

 

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Other significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

[blaze master]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Likewise if i choose not to obey your demands or engage with you i also do not have to. You have a way of inserting you into everything. You are the guy that when you walk in the bar and he is there I walk out. I obviously don't have anything really to say to you. 

 

I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now.

 

So in other words you've got nothing. 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Likewise if i choose not to obey your demands or engage with you i also do not have to. You have a way of inserting you into everything. You are the guy that when you walk in the bar and he is there I walk out. I obviously don't have anything really to say to you. 

 

I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now.

 

Thanks for your obvious passive aggressive ploy to try and have the last word."

"I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now."

 

And now you're making irrelevant characterizations about me to make me the issue.

You've got nothing.

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.= and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited in those areas as well.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

All of what you say is correct. However, mining and processing rare earths is not like other mines.

 

Iron ore is simple. You dig it up, crush it into suitable sizes, ship it. The only known health effect from iron ore is that doctors in the Pilbara have never seen a case of anemia.

 

Rare earths are an entirely different kettle of fish. Some elements, such as thorium and uranium, are radioactive. Miners are exposed to that hazard plus silicosis. Then there are the acids and solvents used in processing.

China dominates rare earth production because it does not give a rat's rectum for its workers.

 

There would be a whole new gamut of OH&S plus environmental regulations to be met if rare earths were mined in America. Unless Trump copied the Chinese in ditching them.

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Other significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

Except for trump times are normal.

[placeholder]

36 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Other significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

So I asked ChatGPT how long it takes to develop a rare earth mine once all the permits have been granted.

General Timeline (Post-Permitting):

1. Construction Phase (1–2 years):

   • Site preparation (infrastructure, roads, power, water).

   • Plant construction (processing facilities are complex due to the need for separation of different rare earth elements).

   • Mining setup (excavation equipment, waste management systems).

2. Commissioning & Ramp-Up (1–2 years):

   • Equipment testing.

   • Processing facility calibration.

   • Gradual increase in production rates until full capacity is reached.

[jas007]

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

All of what you say is correct. However, mining and processing rare earths is not like other mines.

 

Iron ore is simple. You dig it up, crush it into suitable sizes, ship it. The only known health effect from iron ore is that doctors in the Pilbara have never seen a case of anemia.

 

Rare earths are an entirely different kettle of fish. Some elements, such as thorium and uranium, are radioactive. Miners are exposed to that hazard plus silicosis. Then there are the acids and solvents used in processing.

China dominates rare earth production because it does not give a rat's rectum for its workers.

 

There would be a whole new gamut of OH&S plus environmental regulations to be met if rare earths were mined in America. Unless Trump copied the Chinese in ditching them.

In a time of national emergency, Trump would cut through al the nonsense.  The county could worry about the environment at a later date.  

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

In a time of national emergency, Trump would cut through al the nonsense.  The county could worry about the environment at a later date.  

Brilliant. So you become the same as your enemy.

 

An economics professor from New Zealand has published a detailed study of the effect of tariffs on the GDP of most countries. Guess what? The USA is the worst affected, even if no other nation reciprocates with tariffs of their own.

[jas007]

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Brilliant. So you become the same as your enemy.

 

An economics professor from New Zealand has published a detailed study of the effect of tariffs on the GDP of most countries. Guess what? The USA is the worst affected, even if no other nation reciprocates with tariffs of their own.

Trump isn't my "enemy."  And I don't play that game, unlike most people here who seem to think that the only thing that matters is winning the political tit for tat game.  "Get Trump."  That's the extent of their programming.  The media propaganda machine told them to "get Trump," and that's all they think about.  No one asks the question "why"? 

 

Trump is the president, like it or not.  So, in my mind, I try to figure out what's next, simply as a mater of staying out of the way of the chaos and the financial crisis.  

 

As for Trump sidestepping the environmental issues to facilitate the need for immediate production?  You know that's what he would do, if he could manage to get away with it.  Remember the recent California fires in Malibu and Pacific Palisades?  The water to some of the hydrants was turned off.  And yet California wanted permits, environmental impact studies, and lord knows what other permits, simply too turn on water and fill reservoirs. Trump told them to forget it and had the Army turn the water on.  Problem solved.  Had it gone by the California time schedule, they'd be waiting for water for years. 

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21 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Trump isn't my "enemy."  And I don't play that game, unlike most people here who seem to think that the only thing that matters is winning the political tit for tat game.  "Get Trump."  That's the extent of their programming.  The media propaganda machine told them to "get Trump," and that's all they think about.  No one asks the question "why"? 

 

Trump is the president, like it or not.  So, in my mind, I try to figure out what's next, simply as a mater of staying out of the way of the chaos and the financial crisis.  

 

As for Trump sidestepping the environmental issues to facilitate the need for immediate production?  You know that's what he would do, if he could manage to get away with it.  Remember the recent California fires in Malibu and Pacific Palisades?  The water to some of the hydrants was turned off.  And yet California wanted permits, environmental impact studies, and lord knows what other permits, simply too turn on water and fill reservoirs. Trump told them to forget it and had the Army turn the water on.  Problem solved.  Had it gone by the California time schedule, they'd be waiting for water for years. 

I wonder where you get your news from. This was actually a notorious error from Trump:

Trump-ordered Water Release Wasted Billions Of Gallons: Experts

Donald Trump's demand for billions of gallons (liters) of water to be released in California, in what he said was a move to help combat fires in Los Angeles, was wasteful and pointless, experts say.

The US president told military engineers to open two dams in the state's central valley, claiming it would help put out blazes that have ravaged the city and would also irrigate farmland.

But water experts say the order opening dams in California's San Joaquin Valley sent water down channels and waterways into irrigation ditches in the same valley -- nowhere near the fires, and at a time when farms there do not need irrigating.

https://www.barrons.com/news/trump-ordered-water-release-wasted-billions-of-gallons-experts-aa1e7dc8