China stuns world with stainless steel tech once thought impossible

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1 hour ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

OP could be a CCP troll or is as gullible as Spidermike when it comes to parroting CCP talking points.  Or maybe just not very smart.  In any event I don't see how the world is now "stunned" when the news came out the middle of last year.  Noted at the time  "The paper does not say what stage the missile is at, or if it has undergone testing."

Anyone citing jasondeegan.com as a source should be summarily considered unserious.

 

And my posts on the topic from sources such as the Wall Street Journal, The Financial Times and Bloomberg.com, also mean I should be dismissed as unserious?

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

As usual. Shooting the messenger. Making it all about me. Why don't you offer a rebuttal based on China's economy? It looks to me that the reason for  your deflection is that you've got nothing.

 

I was pointing out that you are posting pro-China propaganda because of how much you hate Trump.  If you don't want that fact pointed out to you, then do not do that thing.  Or keep doing that thing, I don't care, but realise that people are going to call you out on it.

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1 minute ago, rabas said:

 

With high regard to Chinese scientific and engineering skills, especially the ability to copy build on stolen borrowed technology, "stunning display of ingenuity" is a MSM soundbite from your article.     

 

They provide no background or references but the author does note  "I remember a time when I was working on a tech project, and we were constrained by both material costs and availability." 

 

For clarity.  It's a 3 layer system with aerogel then an ultra high temperature ceramic UHTC layer on stainless steel. These are all technologies previously worked on by NASA’s Hypersonic Materials and Structures research and DARPA. 

 

A 2020 paper in Progress in Materials Science (“Thermal protection systems for hypersonic vehicles,” DOI: 10.1016/j.pmatsci.2019.100573) discusses global TPS designs, noting that UHTC and insulation layers are universal strategies, adapted uniquely by different nations.

 

Undoubtedly, the Chinese work to make unstoppable nukes is good but not unique and not stunning.  

Yes the headline was hyperbolic. But you continue to push the liine that it's technology is based on stealing. Given that it leads in many areas, does that mean it's stealing from the future? Maybe they stole a time machine from America?

[CallumWK]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I was pointing out that you are posting pro-China propaganda because of how much you hate Trump. 

 

You mean nobody can display his hatered of Trump because a minority of less than 30% of Americans like him?

[sammieuk1]

Meantime Scunthorpe stuns the world by staying open with Chinese owners🤔
 

 

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4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I was pointing out that you are posting pro-China propaganda because of how much you hate Trump.  If you don't want that fact pointed out to you, then do not do that thing.  Or keep doing that thing, I don't care, but realise that people are going to call you out on it.

When you can prove objectively that you are a mind reader, then your allegation will qualify as a fact. I'll be waiting.

[rabas]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes the headline was hyperbolic. But you continue to push the liine that it's technology is based on stealing. Given that it leads in many areas, does that mean it's stealing from the future? Maybe they stole a time machine from America?

 

As I said, I do have high regard for Chinese scientists and know some. Not all issues are black and white the way you like. The Chinese government has literally vacuumed the US and other countries' high tech. Both are true.

 

I also tend to blame US politicians.

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

You mean nobody can display his hatered of Trump because a minority of less than 30% of Americans like him?

 

Nope.  Display all the hatred you want.  Just expect to have people point your bias out to you.

[BangkokReady]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

When you can prove objectively that you are a mind reader, then your allegation will qualify as a fact. I'll be waiting.

 

I don't need to read your mind, it is completely obvious, as outlined above.  

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1 minute ago, rabas said:

 

As I said, I do have high regard doe Chinese scientists and know some. Not all issues are black and white the way you like. The Chinese government has literally vacuumed US and other countries' high tech. Both are true.

 

I also tend to blame US politicians.

This is what you said..."With high regard to Chinese scientific and engineering skills, especially the ability to copy build on stolen borrowed technology,"

Your expression of high regard was just a ploy to denigrate China's achievement

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3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I don't need to read your mind, it is completely obvious, as outlined above.  

Another empty assertion. You've got nothing.

[rabas]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

This is what you said..."With high regard to Chinese scientific and engineering skills, especially the ability to copy build on stolen borrowed technology,"

Your expression of high regard was just a ploy to denigrate China's achievement

 

That is my both are true point.

 

Again you fall into the ol' black and white trap.  Do you believe one political party is good and the other is bad?

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1 minute ago, rabas said:

 

That is my both are true point.

 

Again you fall into the ol' black and white trap.  Do you believe one political party is good and the other is bad?

No, it wasn'treally a both are true claim. You gave top billing to their copying and theft. How much lower a rank that comment of yours assigns to chinese skills is anybody's guess. But it was a lower rank.

[BangkokReady]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Another empty assertion. You've got nothing.

 

Another empty meaningless response.  You've got nothing.

 

I pointed out that you are sharing pro-China propaganda, then I backed it up with facts.  I've got something.

 

If you don't like that, not my problem.

[Bannoi]

3 hours ago, proton said:

China claims many breakthroughs which often do not stand up to scrutiny, they exagerate or just lie in many cases.

Sounds just like a certain President I could mention 

[Yagoda]

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In a stunning display of ingenuity, Chinese scientists have shattered long-held assumptions about materials used in advanced defense technology. 

They’ve developed a hypersonic missile component using stainless steel, a material previously deemed unsuitable for such high-stress applications. This breakthrough promises not only to cut costs but also underscores China’s remarkable engineering capabilities, marking a major step forward in the world of aerospace and defense.

https://jasondeegan.com/china-stuns-world-with-stainless-steel-tech-once-thought-impossible/

Oh look the quick transition between Trump hate and China shilling.

 

Hows that AI breakthrough they announced coming?

 

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Just now, BangkokReady said:

 

Another empty meaningless response.  You've got nothing.

 

I pointed out that you are sharing pro-China propaganda, then I backed it up with facts.  I've got something.

 

If you don't like that, not my problem.

My point is that the contempt of China's economy propounded by so many of Trump's supporters is foolish in the extreme. And people who dismiss that are being willfully blind.

I've also posted lots of comments condemning the Chinese management of their economy, too, As well as condemning their aggression towards their neighbors

[papa al]

3 hours ago, proton said:

China claims many breakthroughs which often do not stand up to scrutiny, they exagerate or just lie in many cases.

they all do bro

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, proton said:

China claims many breakthroughs which often do not stand up to scrutiny, they exagerate or just lie in many cases.

Examples???

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

My point is that the contempt of China's economy propounded by so many of Trump's supporters is foolish in the extreme. And people who dismiss that are being willfully blind.

 

That doesn't sound at all like what you posted. 

 

Where can this be found in the OP?  Or are you just trying to back-track now that you have had your behaviour pointed out to you?

[rabas]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No, it wasn'treally a both are true claim. You gave top billing to their copying and theft. How much lower a rank that comment of yours assigns to chinese skills is anybody's guess. But it was a lower rank.

 

LOL, and who just said this above?

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

When you can prove objectively that you are a mind reader, then your allegation will qualify as a fact. I'll be waiting.

 

But the room's elephant is that I provided facts and reference that both parts of the Chinese tech were based on prior tech worked on by the US and other countries.  Which you fully ignored!    You've got nothing!

 

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Just now, Yagoda said:

Oh look the quick transition between Trump hate and China shilling.

 

Hows that AI breakthrough they announced coming?

 

That's a question you are about to regret asking:

 

DeepSeek Is Here to Stay as Microsoft, Perplexity Integrate Its Model

Microsoft and Perplexity have integrated the DeepSeek R1 model into their services after supposedly overcoming some of the data privacy and censorship concerns surrounding the Chinese-made model.

Microsoft made DeepSeek R1 available on Azure AI Foundry (with a subscription) and GitHub (for free). It's one of 1,800 models Microsoft currently offers.

Perplexity is offering R1 to Pro subscribers ($20/month), who can choose between it and other high-performing models, such as OpenAI's GPT-o1 and Anthropic's Claude-3.5, according to Seach Engine Journal.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/deepseek-is-here-to-stay-as-microsoft-perplexity-integrate-its-model

 

China's DeepSeek Moment

For a government seeking to reinvigorate its economy and infuse its youth with optimism, DeepSeek’s emergence is more than just an artificial intelligence (AI) milestone – it’s a timely symbol of China’s ambition to claim a leadership role in the tech revolution. DeepSeek’s breakthrough will likely inspire a new generation of Chinese talent at a time of renewed nationalism. With China’s strengths in consumer technologies and cost efficiency, we believe a new path has opened for emerging market investors to participate in the AI wave, beyond the supply chain-centric thematic offered by Taiwan and Korea.

https://www.morganstanley.com/im/es-es/institutional-investor/insights/articles/chinas-deep-seek-moment.html

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6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

That doesn't sound at all like what you posted. 

 

Where can this be found in the OP?  Or are you just trying to back-track now that you have had your behaviour pointed out to you?

[Presnock]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

American automakers once scoffed at Japanese cars.

As a famous economist once remarked " Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

Matthew 6:19-20

 

Yeah, those Japanese are too smart ...I recall many decades ago when the US was complaining about Japanese imports...so the Japanese changed the name of their industrial city making those products going to America.  The named the city "USA" so made in USA was no problem for a while!

[proton]

Good example of CCP BS

 

 

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11 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

 

LOL, and who just said this above?

 

But the room's elephant is that I provided facts and reference that both parts of the Chinese tech were based on prior tech worked on by the US and other countries.  Which you fully ignored!

 

Well, you provided evidence about thermal protection systems. But you didn't provide evidence that the use of stainless steel was previously addressed or that it isn't a big deal.

[rabas]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No, it wasn'treally a both are true claim. You gave top billing to their copying and theft. How much lower a rank that comment of yours assigns to chinese skills is anybody's guess. But it was a lower rank.

 

Two true items of different degrees equals one is false?  

 

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1 minute ago, rabas said:

 

Two true items of different degrees equals one is false?  

 

So now at least you'lre admitting thatyou believe  it's primarily China's continuing theft that is keeping it in the race.

[Yagoda]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's a question you are about to regret asking:

No why? It will just again demonstrate you are unable to think for yourself and just parrot your cherry picked sources, which sources I may add, continually hate the USA and boost China.

 

Interesting

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1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

No why? It will just again demonstrate you are unable to think for yourself and just parrot your cherry picked sources, which sources I may add, continually hate the USA and boost China.

 

Interesting

Are you claiming it's a lie? that Microsoft and Perplexity haven't adopted DeepSeek? Either you've got evidence or you've got nothing.