Harvard University resists

[Patong2021]

10 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I was at Oxford University in the UK, it is exactly the same there. The first I saw was a Doc Martens wearing feminist with a shaved head peddling a "No means No" campaign.

 

So you neither attended Harvard, nor graduated.

No, Harvard is not anything like Oxford. Oxford has a43 associated independent colleges ranging from the embarrassment of Regent's to the dignity of St. John's. Harvard is one singular entity with 12 associated graduate schools and Radcliffe. There is one consistent standard at Harvard, with a hodge podge of admission standards at the Oxford group of colleges. 

When you say "At",  did you actually graduate? Sound's like  a Regent's College tale.🫥

[JAG]

Nothing qualifies you more to direct the actions and policies of the USA's oldest and premier university, than having been the owner of a university closed down for fraudulent practices!

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So you neither attended Harvard, nor graduated.

No, Harvard is not anything like Oxford. Oxford has a43 associated independent colleges ranging from the embarrassment of Regent's to the dignity of St. John's. Harvard is one singular entity with 12 associated graduate schools and Radcliffe. There is one consistent standard at Harvard, with a hodge podge of admission standards at the Oxford group of colleges. 

When you say "At",  did you actually graduate? Sound's like  a Regent's College tale.🫥

 

It would be great if you could stop talking nonsense. Of course I graduated, but my graduation is neither here nor there. I am well aware of the collegiate structure of Oxford, however, it has no bearing on the fact that in all Angllo-Saxon universities across the board, regardless of collegiate structure or lack thereof, you have this cancer of leftwing ideological garbage. 

 

Do you think it is correct that the first thing people see when they go to university is a "No means no" campaign peddled by a shaven headed feminists? That they have to sign contracts to kiss, touch breasts and get "affirmation consent"? That the evils of capitalism are propagandised as if it were 1920s Russia?

 

You are seriously missing the point, as always.

[Yagoda]

Resist all you want:

 

"It would be wholly incompatible with the concepts underlying tax exemption to grant tax-exempt status to racially discriminatory private educational entities."

 

Bob Jones University vs USA,  461 US 574

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1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

It would be great if you could stop talking nonsense. Of course I graduated, but my graduation is neither here nor there. I am well aware of the collegiate structure of Oxford, however, it has no bearing on the fact that in all Angllo-Saxon universities across the board, regardless of collegiate structure or lack thereof, you have this cancer of leftwing ideological garbage. 

 

Do you think it is correct that the first thing people see when they go to university is a "No means no" campaign peddled by a shaven headed feminists? That they have to sign contracts to kiss, touch breasts and get "affirmation consent"? That the evils of capitalism are propagandised as if it were 1920s Russia?

 

You are seriously missing the point, as always.

As for missing the point...you still seem unable to grasp that the 1st Amendment protects speech from government interference. Even speech that you deem ridiculous.

[hotsun]

What exactly is harvard resisting? For the right to be antisemitic?

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3 minutes ago, hotsun said:

What exactly is harvard resisting? For the right to be antisemitic?

No, it resisting Government punishment over speech that is displeasing to it. This is a clear violation of the First Amendment.

[Cameroni]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No, it resisting Government punishment over speech that is displeasing to it. This is a clear violation of the First Amendment.

 

Nonsense. This is in no way a free speech issue. Besides, there is a massively long list of limitations on free speech. These include:

 

1. Incitement of Violence (which feminists and many on the left routinely engage in on campus)

 

2. Threats (again a favourite tactic of feminists and leftist)

 

3. Fighting words (words likely to incite a public disturbance)

 

4. Inciting imminent lawless action.

 

There are plenty of justifications for curtailing the left in universities.

[Patong2021]

30 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It would be great if you could stop talking nonsense. Of course I graduated, but my graduation is neither here nor there. I am well aware of the collegiate structure of Oxford, however, it has no bearing on the fact that in all Angllo-Saxon universities across the board, regardless of collegiate structure or lack thereof, you have this cancer of leftwing ideological garbage. 

 

Do you think it is correct that the first thing people see when they go to university is a "No means no" campaign peddled by a shaven headed feminists? That they have to sign contracts to kiss, touch breasts and get "affirmation consent"? That the evils of capitalism are propagandised as if it were 1920s Russia?

 

You are seriously missing the point, as always.

Not missing any point. The reason why  there are signs that No Means No is that some people do not accept a person declining contact and  keep pushing. Until the campaigns of the  last 10-20 years, the rates of sexual assault on campuses was  unacceptably high.

 

[Patong2021]

32 minutes ago, hotsun said:

What exactly is harvard resisting? For the right to be antisemitic?

 

The  claim of fighting anti semitism is merely a cover to undertake an attack on critics of the Trump administration.

I am the last person who would  defend the agitators who campaigned on behalf of Hamas and for the destruction of Israel. Suspending the funding of scientific  research is wrong. It won't stop the protestors, and will instead harm innocent people.

[Hamus Yaigh]

21 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Excellent news. The leftist influence on campuses needs to be mericlessly eradicated. 

So having all graduates come out as right wing bell ends is a good thing? Academic environments benefit from a range of viewpoints, fostering critical thinking and nuanced discussions. mericlessly (sic)  eradicating a certain viewpoint in favor of only one other is for the history books. It also leads to a fall in academic standards and spelling errors as you know.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

So having all graduates come out as right wing bell ends is a good thing? Academic environments benefit from a range of viewpoints, fostering critical thinking and nuanced discussions. mericlessly (sic)  eradicating a certain viewpoint in favor of only one other is for the history books. It also leads to a fall in academic standards and spelling errors as you know.

 

How does academia benefit from Doc Martens wearing shaven headed feminists screaming "No means No" on campus? Or demanding contract forms to touch your girlfriend's breasts, to kiss her, to ensure "affirmed consent"?

 

How does academia benefit from radical marxists denying the world as it is today?

 

Stop talking nonsense and celebrate this great president making the world a better place. This assault on universities was long overdue. Hopefully Trump will not go soft and eradicate the leftwing cancer from campuses.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Not missing any point. The reason why  there are signs that No Means No is that some people do not accept a person declining contact and  keep pushing. Until the campaigns of the  last 10-20 years, the rates of sexual assault on campuses was  unacceptably high.

 

 

Luidcrous, every single male knows when to stop a sexual advance, and does so, bar the criminal minority which is tiny. It has gone completely overboard with "affirmed consent" requiring a male to stop to ensure consent for a kiss, to touch a breast? Are you suggesting these things are desirable and good?

 

No wonder this leftwing cancer thrives. Too many people indulge this insanity.

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9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

How does academia benefit from Doc Martens wearing shaven headed feminists screaming "No means No" on campus? Or demanding contract forms to touch your girlfriend's breasts, to kiss her, to ensure "affirmed consent"?

 

How does academia benefit from radical marxists denying the world as it is today?

 

Stop talking nonsense and celebrate this great president making the world a better place. This assault on universities was long overdue. Hopefully Trump will not go soft and eradicate the leftwing cancer from campuses.

How is it the government's right to determine what speech is beneficial and what is not? I'll save you the trouble of looking the answer up: it's not.

And it looks like you also believe that the government should also impose a dress and grooming code. Nanny state much?

[Cameroni]

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How is it the government's right to determine what speech is beneficial and what is not?

 

Lol, you are so naive. That is what government does, what it has done for centuries.

 

Or why do you think there are laws against defamation, incitement to violence, threats, "hate" speech, obscenity, national security, classified information, copyright....do you seriously think governments do not have the prerogative to determine what is free speech and what isn't? That's what they DO! For hundreds of years!

 

My proposal would be this: BAN ALL POLITICAL ACTIVISM on campus.

 

All of it. The problem is that leftwing ideologues are using university not for studies, but political activism. Just make it illegal.

 

 

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Nonsense. This is in no way a free speech issue. Besides, there is a massively long list of limitations on free speech. These include:

 

1. Incitement of Violence (which feminists and many on the left routinely engage in on campus)

 

2. Threats (again a favourite tactic of feminists and leftist)

 

3. Fighting words (words likely to incite a public disturbance)

 

4. Inciting imminent lawless action.

 

There are plenty of justifications for curtailing the left in universities.

 

But no room for very fine people.

 

Is Tommy Robinson ok to go to an American university, study journalism or something, kick off a bit with the "Filth" (as he calls them), which is ok because he's waving a flag, and he has a go-pro live streaming? He'll enroll using his 2nd Nomme de Guerre, Benny Hill.

 

Curtailing the Left, ok, but should that also mean suppressing the "Right"? I'd also extend restrictions to the God Botherers, Agnostics, Atheists, Vegans, Vegetarians, militant Meat Eaters, Good Ol' Boys,  Gingers and the OTC.

 

[MicroB]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, you are so naive. That is what government does, what it has done for centuries.

 

Or why do you think there are laws against defamation, incitement to violence, threats, "hate" speech, obscenity, national security, classified information, copyright....do you seriously think governments do not have the prerogative to determine what is free speech and what isn't? That's what they DO! For hundreds of years!

 

My proposal would be this: BAN ALL POLITICAL ACTIVISM on campus.

 

All of it. The problem is that leftwing ideologues are using university not for studies, but political activism. Just make it illegal.

 

 

 

Ban any Activism. Religious Activism certainly. Clubs supporting sports teams.

 

You write like a person who never attended a real university.

[Cameroni]

15 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

But no room for very fine people.

 

Is Tommy Robinson ok to go to an American university, study journalism or something, kick off a bit with the "Filth" (as he calls them), which is ok because he's waving a flag, and he has a go-pro live streaming? He'll enroll using his 2nd Nomme de Guerre, Benny Hill.

 

Curtailing the Left, ok, but should that also mean suppressing the "Right"? I'd also extend restrictions to the God Botherers, Agnostics, Atheists, Vegans, Vegetarians, militant Meat Eaters, Good Ol' Boys,  Gingers and the OTC.

 

All activism. Ban it. Left or right. Education is no place for political ideological hate of either side. Religious crusading too. Sports is fine. Since when are sports teams political activism? Don't talk nonsense. 

[mikebike]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

All activism. Ban it. Left or right. Education is no place for political ideological hate of either side. Religious crusading too. Sports is fine. Since when are sports teams political activism? Don't talk nonsense. 

Translation for normal people: stop teaching kids to think for themselves and having G-D opinions I neither understand nor agree with. Group think determined by whatever the current regime's ideology is, is the only way anyone can learn anything. No room for free thought or free speech in 2025.

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

All activism. Ban it. Left or right.

Authoritarianism. The Hitler youth of today. 

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Translation for normal people: stop teaching kids to think for themselves and having G-D opinions I neither understand nor agree with. Group think determined by whatever the current regime's ideology is, is the only way anyone can learn anything. No room for free thought or free speech in 2025.

 

Political activists on campus do not teach kids "to think for themselves". Don't talk nonsense. They want to ram their ideology down the gullible throats of the young. That's what they want.

 

These political activists are using institutions of learning for something completely different. Political persuasion. That should be banned. Mercilessly.

[bannork]

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, you are so naive. That is what government does, what it has done for centuries.

 

Or why do you think there are laws against defamation, incitement to violence, threats, "hate" speech, obscenity, national security, classified information, copyright....do you seriously think governments do not have the prerogative to determine what is free speech and what isn't? That's what they DO! For hundreds of years!

 

My proposal would be this: BAN ALL POLITICAL ACTIVISM on campus.

 

All of it. The problem is that leftwing ideologues are using university not for studies, but political activism. Just make it illegal.

 

 

No, the courts have the  prerogative to determine what is free speech and acceptable in a given society.

The government can make laws passing Parliament/ Congress but the final judge on that is the courts, otherwise authorianism/ dictatorship takes over. 

Trump, of course, doesn't even bother with Congress, just issues executive orders.

He needs cutting down to size.

[Cameroni]

Just now, bannork said:

No, the courts have the  prerogative to determine what is free speech and acceptable in a given society.

The government can make laws passing Parliament/ Congress but the final judge on that is the courts, otherwise authorianism/ dictatorship takes over. 

Trump, of course, doesn't even bother with Congress, just issues executive orders.

He needs cutting down to size.

 

Trump can pass executive orders, they are laws. 

 

if  he wants he can get a law passed that bans activism on campuses. That would be a very sensible thing to do to root out the leftwing cancer on campuses.

[mikebike]

37 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Political activists on campus do not teach kids "to think for themselves". Don't talk nonsense. They want to ram their ideology down the gullible throats of the young. That's what they want.

 

These political activists are using institutions of learning for something completely different. Political persuasion. That should be banned. Mercilessly.

Who the heck is talking about "political activists"? I went to uni in probably the most radical yrs in the 70s/80s... My best profs taught me how to think. Not what to think. My kids profs in the 2000s... The same. What the heck r u on about?

[MicroB]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

All activism. Ban it. Left or right. Education is no place for political ideological hate of either side. Religious crusading too. Sports is fine. Since when are sports teams political activism? Don't talk nonsense. 

 

Sports fans find a reason to disagree. Sports is highly political. When Putin promises the 47th President a hockey match, that's political. When Americans watch USA play netball, and chant USA USA, that's political. When flags are raised during the winners ceremony in the Olympics, following a F1 race, that's political. When a President throws the first ball of the season, does a lap of Daytona, that's political. When Europe plays against the US in golf, that's political.

 

I expect you want all theological colleges closed down, because they teach religion, ususally one sort of religion.

[MicroB]

9 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Who the heck is talking about "political activists"? I went to uni in probably the most radical yrs in the 70s/80s... My best profs taught me how to think. Not what to think. My kids profs in the 2000s... The same. What the heck r u on about?

 

He's spouting things he read about. He has no idea what university is about.

 

18 year olds are old enough to vote, in most countries drink a beer, marry, divorce, have kids, vote and to go fight/die for their country. They can think for themselves. He probably wants Trade Unions banned, in case they infect apprentices with crazy ideas. Maybe ban some books. Some people are intent on infantilising the population.

 

His avatar is a hackneyed lion, perhaps he's a big fan of the Lion King.

[MicroB]

7 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

So having all graduates come out as right wing bell ends is a good thing? Academic environments benefit from a range of viewpoints, fostering critical thinking and nuanced discussions. mericlessly (sic)  eradicating a certain viewpoint in favor of only one other is for the history books. It also leads to a fall in academic standards and spelling errors as you know.

 

 

The thing is, the German government during WW2 tried to make sure their graduates all came out to be good Nazis. But in the post war period, West Germany was mostly lead by politicians that other countries would consider to be "liberal" (using the Yankee misuse of the term). Universities teaching non-Jewish science, non-Jewish ideology didn't turn out a generation of racist pigs.

 

Those protesting too much about what they seem as activism are probably weak minded; they know they have a weak will and are easily influenced, but project that onto the rest of us. Some people call them Mugs.

 

 

[Magictoad]

On 4/17/2025 at 2:01 PM, MicroB said:

Department of Homeland Security is canceling grants, with a twisted press release omitting life-saving counter terrorism research being carried out

 

By cutting these grants, the safety of Americans and her armed forces is weakened. DHS grants are related to counter terrorism. I've worked on them before; serious stuff. I was in force protection. Harvard' research is about identifying extremism and radicalisation.

 

Ideological vandalism which warms the hearts of America's enemies.

"was in force protection. Harvard' research is about identifying extremism and radicalisation."

I don't believe you. It's so easy to say stuff like you wrote but it's very difficult to prove.  Trump has proven that.

 

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, MicroB said:

But in the post war period, West Germany was mostly lead by politicians that other countries would consider to be "liberal" (using the Yankee misuse of the term). Universities teaching non-Jewish science, non-Jewish ideology didn't turn out a generation of racist pigs.

 

 

What are you on about, those German politicians were handpicked by the Americans, British, French and Russians. Of course they picked non-Nazis. There was always a small minority of opposition politicians in Germany, mostly underground. However, the universities did influence how the students turned out. Heidegger himself was routed for being antisemitic. So were many German politicians post 1945.

 

The masses ARE weak willed. Just look at how the British now celebrate anti-white, anti-coloniali causes. Where did that come from? Universities and political activists.

 

51 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Sports fans find a reason to disagree. Sports is highly political. When Putin promises the 47th President a hockey match, that's political. When Americans watch USA play netball, and chant USA USA, that's political. When flags are raised during the winners ceremony in the Olympics, following a F1 race, that's political. When a President throws the first ball of the season, does a lap of Daytona, that's political. When Europe plays against the US in golf, that's political.

 

I expect you want all theological colleges closed down, because they teach religion, ususally one sort of religion.

 

We're talking about Harvard and normal universities. Chapels and such can stay open, only overt religious activism and political activism would be banned. This is very reasonable. People can still support their country, presidents can still throw balls, none of that is political activism obviously , don't be obtuse.

 

38 minutes ago, MicroB said:

18 year olds are old enough to vote, in most countries drink a beer, marry, divorce, have kids, vote and to go fight/die for their country. They can think for themselves. He probably wants Trade Unions banned, in case they infect apprentices with crazy ideas. Maybe ban some books. Some people are intent on infantilising the population.

 

Stop talking nonsense, I don't want trade unions banned. Nor do I want to ban books.  Only political activism. And 18 year olds are gullible af, they are basically in danger of being perverted by these political activists.

[rough diamond]

29 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Stop talking nonsense

I do wish you would take that advice and stop posting quotes from your Putin handbook.