7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Would it be that easy? Every single mapping and projection tool was designed and implemented under a spherical, bipolar paradigm.

And liberty-taking on maps for visibility and convenience purposes is not an unprecedented thing, the Mercator map being the most blatant example, with Greenland appearing as large as Africa, Europe the same size as South America, etc.

It isn't uncommon at all to have gaps between reality and its representations.

Here the Gall-Peters projection of the surface of the Earth. That projection attempts to depict all areas with the correct sizes compared to each other.

Source: https://thecartographicinstitute.com/the-gall-peters-projection/

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

It was designed specifically to represent a globe, based on a globe model, so this isn't unexpected.

There is no globe model. The Earth is roughly spherical. Ancient mariners knew this from experience. The flat earth guys are just plain wrong and no amount of nonsense arguments they come up with will prove otherwise. Eventually the flat earthers will go the way of the dodo and humankind will be better for it .

6 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

There is no globe model.

Yes there is and it only became established mid-19th century.

8 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Eventually the flat earthers will go the way of the dodo and humankind will be better for it .

Unhinged much?

9 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Here the Gall-Peters projection of the surface of the Earth. That projection attempts to depict all areas with the correct sizes compared to each other.

Source: https://thecartographicinstitute.com/the-gall-peters-projection/

Thanks, Red, this is very interesting.

30 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Thanks, Red, this is very interesting.

Wow, look how far Moscow is from Fairbanks, Alaska.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Yes there is and it only became established mid-19th century.

Unhinged much?

The flat earthers are definitely unhinged....no argument here.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Yes there is and it only became established mid-19th century.

Unhinged much?

From a google search:

The realization that the Earth is a globe dates back to ancient Greek philosophers, emerging around the 5th century BC, with firm scientific consensus and circumference calculations achieved by the 3rd century BC. Pythagoras (6th c. BC) or Parmenides (5th c. BC) are often credited with the earliest suggestions, while Aristotle proved it in 350 BC via curved shadows. 

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• Initial Ideas (5th–6th Century BC): Early Greek philosophers speculated on a spherical Earth, moving away from flat-disk theories.

• Aristotle’s Evidence (c. 350 BC): Aristotle argued the Earth was a sphere, citing the circular shadow cast on the moon during lunar eclipses and the way stars changed altitude at different latitudes.

• Measurement (c. 240 BC): Eratosthenes calculated the Earth's circumference with remarkable accuracy in 240 BC, cementing the concept scientifically.

• Practical Confirmation: The concept was widely accepted by scholars during antiquity and the Middle Ages, long before it was directly proven by Ferdinand Magellan's circumnavigation (1519–1522). 

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6 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

From a google search:

The realization that the Earth is a globe dates back to ancient Greek philosophers, emerging around the 5th century BC, with firm scientific consensus and circumference calculations achieved by the 3rd century BC. Pythagoras (6th c. BC) or Parmenides (5th c. BC) are often credited with the earliest suggestions, while Aristotle proved it in 350 BC via curved shadows. 

Wikipedia +2

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• Initial Ideas (5th–6th Century BC): Early Greek philosophers speculated on a spherical Earth, moving away from flat-disk theories.

• Aristotle’s Evidence (c. 350 BC): Aristotle argued the Earth was a sphere, citing the circular shadow cast on the moon during lunar eclipses and the way stars changed altitude at different latitudes.

• Measurement (c. 240 BC): Eratosthenes calculated the Earth's circumference with remarkable accuracy in 240 BC, cementing the concept scientifically.

• Practical Confirmation: The concept was widely accepted by scholars during antiquity and the Middle Ages, long before it was directly proven by Ferdinand Magellan's circumnavigation (1519–1522). 

  Reddit +6

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This does not refute my statement that it became established in the mid-19th century.

Try asking Gemini this:
"When did the globe model become the universal standard for mass public education?"

14 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

The flat earthers are definitely unhinged....no argument here.

Projection.

You have clearly expressed the desire that I should die. I, on the other hand, would never even consider saying that to someone. But that's the internet for you, it turns a certain category of people into Super Virtual Warriors.

Empty pockets, but overflowing with keyboard bravery.

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Eventually the flat earthers will go the way of the dodo and humankind will be better for it .

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

This does not refute my statement that it became established in the mid-19th century.

Try asking Gemini this:
"When did the globe model become the universal standard for mass public education?"

Why would I bother doing that when the facts are that before Christ people knew the world was a globe?

Nothing you can say, or play with words, can refute that

Get over it mate, the world is not flat.

Try something more modern like the JFK assassination, or the boring 'we never went to the moon nonsense'.

I asked before and haven't received an answer......why do the conspiracy theorists keep pushing their agenda?

Are they hoping to change people's beliefs, are they closet 7th Day Adventists. Seems that way in their approach.

Or are they really as stupid as they seem?

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Projection.

You have clearly expressed the desire that I should die. I, on the other hand, would never even consider saying that to someone. But that's the internet for you, it turns a certain category of people into Super Virtual Warriors.

Empty pockets, but overflowing with keyboard bravery.

Jeez, you sure are a master at twisting words and concepts. Well done!

Interesting you believe that the world is flat and deny science, but happily embrace AI.

Very strange.

Rattlesnake, slithering keyboard serpent, a snake in the grass never to be trusted.

See we can both make childish play on names.

Lov e to keep conversing with you, but it's Saturday night and the wife and I have plans.

On 4/14/2026 at 4:38 PM, rattlesnake said:

The satellites visible from Earth are attached to helium balloons.

what about all the satellites that are not visible from Earth?

You've heard of GPS, right? I think 500+km above Earth.

held aloft by miracles or magic?

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

This does not refute my statement that it became established in the mid-19th century.

How is this relevant to what the science can prove? Not at all... just a bedtime story for the CT cult to indoctrinate their unfortunate offspring.

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Interesting you believe that the world is flat and deny science, but happily embrace AI.

Very strange.

I don't embrace AI, in fact I am actively part of the anti-AI movement in the real world, and I regularly call out the posters who blatantly use it.

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Rattlesnake, slithering keyboard serpent, a snake in the grass never to be trusted.

See we can both make childish play on names.

Don't tell people you want to see them extinct and observe how so much more popular you will become.

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Get over it mate, the world is not flat.

Try something more modern like the JFK assassination, or the boring 'we never went to the moon nonsense'.

I asked before and haven't received an answer......why do the conspiracy theorists keep pushing their agenda?

Except that it is never I who initiates flat Earth debates in these threads, it is always those who claim to abhor this topic, which is both amusing and a little absurd. Why devote so much time and energy to something you claim to be ridiculous? I personally can't stand Wokism and find it preposterous, well, I never take part in any discussion about it as the last thing I care about is what its proponents have to say.

When I do engage on the flat Earth (after beng prompted to), it is always in a light-hearted way and I try to keep things civil… which quickly becomes tricky as the opposing parties never fail to become visibly irritated and hostile, as you have just demonstrated: do you not find it absurd and a little problematic to advocate for the demise of a group of people for the sole reason that they have a differing view on the shape of the planet?

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

You've heard of GPS, right?

Ground-based, the technology has existed for a long time and towers are still being erected everywhere as we speak.

If you know of a picture of a satellite that isn't CGI, let me know, I'm having trouble on Google Images.

4 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Or are they really as stupid as they seem?

Let's keep it civil now, shall we?

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Ground-based, the technology has existed for a long time and towers are still being erected everywhere as we speak.

If you know of a picture of a satellite that isn't CGI, let me know, I'm having trouble on Google Images.

If you know of a picture of a Loran tower in Bangkok that isn't CGI, let me know, I'm having trouble on Google Images.

So all the engineers that work for GPS companies are in on it...

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If you know of a picture of a Loran tower in Bangkok that isn't CGI, let me know, I'm having trouble on Google Images.

They are not CGI, they are real and observable. Here is the Don Mueang VOR-DME:

It is not sure yet whether Thailand is going to adopt the new eLORAN towers, but it is currently massively overhauling its ground-based network (TMCS: Thailand Modernization CNS/ATM System).

28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So all the engineers that work for GPS companies are in on it...

[Yawn]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

They are not CGI, they are real and observable. Here is the Don Mueang VOR-DME:

It is not sure yet whether Thailand is going to adopt the eLORAN towers, but it is currently massively overhauling its ground-based network (TMCS: Thailand Modernization CNS/ATM System).

So Thailand is in on it as well.

That's not a Loran tower

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's not a Loran tower

The LORAN and the VOR-DME are both ground-based navigation systems.

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The LORAN and the VOR-DME are both ground-based navigation systems.

LORAN is for marine use, and it has to have line or sight between towers to work.

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

LORAN is for marine use, and it has to have line or sight between towers to work.

Also aeronautical.

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Also aeronautical.

But not for cars and whatnot, because there is not line of sight.

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

How is this relevant to what the science can prove?

But science can "prove" anything, that's the beauty of it.

Just as it "proved" that Béchamp's terrain theory was invalid in favour of Pasteur's germ theory, coincidentally greenlighting the multi-billon vaccination industry…

Just as Einstein's theory of relativity "proved" that the heliocentric model was true after having been destroyed by the Michelson-Morley experiment.

More recently, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla was pretty straightforward about it when he coined the infamous phrase "moving at the speed of science", which basically meant "making sh*t up as we go along to fit the narrative".

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But not for cars and whatnot, because there is not line of sight.

Cell towers incessantly sprouting everywhere do that nicely. Of course, they are officially there to "assist satellite GPS signals". In fact, there is a large TPS (terrestrial positioning system) already widespread throughout the world, officially as "backup if the satellites break down"…

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

But science can "prove" anything, that's the beauty of it.

Just as it "proved" that Béchamp's terrain theory was invalid in favour of Pasteur's germ theory, coincidentally greenlighting the multi-billon vaccination industry…

Just as Einstein's theory of relativity "proved" that the heliocentric model was true after having been destroyed by the Michelson-Morley experiment.

More recently, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla was pretty straightforward about it when he coined the infamous phrase "moving at the speed of science", which basically meant "making sh*t up as we go along to fit the narrative".

The Michelson-Morley experiment never destroyed anything and was shown to be false long before Einstein.

Have you never been on the ocean?

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Cell towers incessantly sprouting everywhere do that nicely. Of course, they are officially there to "assist satellite GPS signals". In fact, there is a large TPS (terrestrial positioning system) already widespread throughout the world, officially as "backup if the satellites break down"…

So all the cell companies are in on it as well, got it.