3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Except that there is nothing you could be shown that you would admit shows it to be real,

How many people have to be in on it, for the ISS to be phony?

Again, I think this is a wind-up

Have to admit, it is good trolling,

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Have to admit, it is good trolling,

Comes from years of boredom and watching YouTube.

Particularly those who are post retirement and have no real purpose in their lives.

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Okay, kwilco, thank you.

this means you don't understand what is or isn't "evidence"

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Except that there is nothing you could be shown that you would admit shows it to be real,

Actual footage would help: following the spacecraft as it leaves the atmosphere, embedded cameras showing multiple-angled views of it in its journey, and as I mentioned previously, lots of footage of our dear planet from various distances and at various times, with a rotational timeline. I would watch that.

I recently watched a documentary on the expeditions to explore the Titanic, looked pretty real to me. Also watched a documentary on the remnants (still several throughout the world) of a race of giants having apparently inhabited the Earth, fascinating stuff. Fact-based, rational, no abstraction required.

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How many people have to be in on it, for the ISS to be phony?

Same response as for the Apollo program. Did you have a quick look at the Kelly interview?

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Again, I think this is a wind-up

Just toying with ideas and determining which ones are the most valid. Social pressure and accepted dogmas are purposely removed from the checklist. If people really believed it to be so absurd and ridiculous, this thread would be one page long.

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

this means you don't understand what is or isn't "evidence"

Yes, you are insightful.

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Trump being the new McKinley sounds like a theory - no conspiracy unless something weird and wonderful was involved such as aliens or time travel or something of that type.

The conspiracy is that McKinley was whacked by "the deep state", not a lone nut job.

Because the policies go against "the system". It's not just one person running the govt. Or if the president starts to act alone, they take him out. Like JFK.

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

The idea that some conspiracies are not accepted when they should be and some are simply absurd

Here, I got another absurd crazy wacky conspiracy for you.

It may not be true, but it would explain why the conflict in Israel never gets resolved. No one else has a better explanation that I am aware of. No one and everyone owns the land.

In 1917, Britain wrote a 67-word letter that promised a land it didn't own, to people who didn't ask for it, over the heads of those already living there. That letter — the Balfour Declaration — is still reshaping the world today. But the story you've been told leaves out the most important part. By 1917, Britain was financially collapsing. Its national debt had exploded from six-hundred-and-fifty million pounds to nearly eight billion. Its overdraft at J.P. Morgan had hit four-hundred million dollars. Woodrow Wilson was using American money as a weapon, threatening to cut off the loans keeping the Allied war effort alive. So Britain did what desperate empires do. It made deals. It promised Palestine to the Arabs in exchange for the Arab Revolt. It secretly agreed with France to place Palestine under international administration. And then, two years later, it promised the same land to the Zionist movement — addressed personally to Lord Walter Rothschild, the most powerful banker in the world — in exchange for financial influence, propaganda leverage, and a foothold in the post-war Middle East. Three promises. Three incompatible destinations. One piece of land. And none of the people actually living there were consulted once. This is the full story of the Balfour Declaration — the financial crisis behind it, the competing secret agreements that contradicted it, the chemistry of explosives that helped make it happen, and the consequences that have never stopped unfolding.

51 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Because that is where this becomes absurd on another level. You reject the reality we can test, measure, and repeatedly confirm, yet still seem attached to arguments built around the same space programs and observations you claim not to trust.

It is absurd to you. To me, it is simply lending credence to the opposite argument, because I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong (and encourage you to do the same).

13 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Actual footage would help: following the spacecraft as it leaves the atmosphere, embedded cameras showing multiple-angled views of it in its journey, and as I mentioned previously, lots of footage of our dear planet from various distances and at various times, with a rotational timeline. I would watch that.

I recently watched a documentary on the expeditions to explore the Titanic, looked pretty real to me. Also watched a documentary on the remnants (still several throughout the world) of a race of giants having apparently inhabited the Earth, fascinating stuff. Fact-based, rational, no abstraction required.

Same response as for the Apollo program. Did you have a quick look at the Kelly interview?

Just toying with ideas and determining which ones are the most valid. Social pressure and accepted dogmas are purposely removed from the checklist. If people really believed it to be so absurd and ridiculous, this thread would be one page long.

You would just say the views from the "embedded" cameras were phony.

Are the 290 people that have been on the ISS all in on it, or are they just tricked into a simulator and made to believe they were on it?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

You would just say the views from the "embedded" cameras were phony.

If they looked phony to me, I would say it, yes, and take it from there.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Are the 290 people that have been on the ISS all in on it, or are they just tricked into a simulator and made to believe they were on it?

In on it, most likely.

Must admit, the pics and video from/of the rocket were pretty poor. Of course they were deliberately poor. Wouldn't want to be caught out telling porkies would they?

A big nothing burger from a collapsing empire.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

If they looked phony to me, I would say it, yes, and take it from there.

Every photo to date looks phony to you, so that answers that.

And of course you know what a phony picture of something you've never seen looks like.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

In on it, most likely.

25 years, and 290 people keeping a secret that could make them rich if revealed.

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

It is absurd to you. To me, it is simply lending credence to the opposite argument, because I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong (and encourage you to do the same).

If they did have the technology to show close ups to the degree of showing people on the earth with feet towards the middle of earth wouldn't you say it is AI - as I assume you do about shots of earth from rockets at various distances from earth. Yet you are willing to believe, or at least give more credence than for these topics, to stories of giant people with one assumes a small amount of, and likely somewhat dubious, evidence - given the lack of headlines saying there were giants on this earth. Did see a story recently though about huge echidnas.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-14/ice-age-giant-echidna-fossil-found-in-east-gippsland/106561526

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

25 years, and 290 people keeping a secret that could make them rich if reve

It would kill them socially and who would they sell it to? Bart Sibrel? And they will have signed an NDA, not the type you can actually go and violate.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

It would kill them socially

Why?

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

and who would they sell it to? Bart Sibrel?

To the highest bidder. Every news outlet in the world would want it.

Sibrel would be the last one to buy it, he'd be ruined.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

And they will have signed an NDA, not the type you can actually go and violate.

Like Stormy Danials?

What would happen if someone violated? They get fired.

NDAs have to be pretty specific. What happens to the people that get read into the program and refuse to sign, are they all killed to keep the secret?

3 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Yet you are willing to believe, or at least give more credence than for these topics, to stories of giant people with one assumes a small amount of, and likely somewhat dubious, evidence

No, it's solid. Plus there are architectural vestiges.

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

It is absurd to you. To me, it is simply lending credence to the opposite argument, because I am open to the possibility that I could be wrong (and encourage you to do the same).

I give the benefit of the doubt where doubt actually belongs, not where the evidence already leads to a verified conclusion.

As I said, I can keep my mind open to something like a simulation hypothesis, because at the deepest level reality appears describable through mathematics. Physics keeps reducing the world to patterns, structures, ratios, fields, probabilities, and equations. In that sense, it is understandable why some people start wondering whether existence itself is, in some way, computational or informational in nature.

But that is a philosophical opening, not a scientific excuse to dismiss established reality. The fact that reality may be deeply mathematical does not weaken science, it strengthens it. Mathematics is exactly why we can predict motion, gravity, pressure, electricity, orbit, and matter with such precision.

So yes, I can remain open to large metaphysical questions. But I do not use those questions as a shortcut to deny conclusions already supported by observation, experiment, and repeatable measurement.

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

It would kill them socially

Why?

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

and who would they sell it to? Bart Sibrel?

To the highest bidder. Every news outlet in the world would want it.

With all due respect, I think it is extremely naive to posit that an individual could just go and reveal damaging information about a government agency and be protected and enrich themselves. Have a look at what happened to the doctors who spoke up about the Covid vaccines, or Julian Assange.

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I give the benefit of the doubt where doubt actually belongs, not where the evidence already leads to a verified conclusion.

As I said, I can keep my mind open to something like a simulation hypothesis, because at the deepest level reality appears describable through mathematics. Physics keeps reducing the world to patterns, structures, ratios, fields, probabilities, and equations. In that sense, it is understandable why some people start wondering whether existence itself is, in some way, computational or informational in nature.

But that is a philosophical opening, not a scientific excuse to dismiss established reality. The fact that reality may be deeply mathematical does not weaken science, it strengthens it. Mathematics is exactly why we can predict motion, gravity, pressure, electricity, orbit, and matter with such precision.

So yes, I can remain open to large metaphysical questions. But I do not use those questions as a shortcut to deny conclusions already supported by observation, experiment, and repeatable measurement.

Your English has improved almost immeasurably. Are you using AI?

19 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

No, it's solid. Plus there are architectural vestiges.

Seems there were giants. Rattlesnake told me. Can't find much about it though.

I think you and others are romantics you want to believe in wild theories because it makes life seem more interesting. But you don't want to believe in things others take as normal because it makes life seem exciting and a challenge and a small number against the world.

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

With all due respect, I think it is extremely naive to posit that an individual could just go and reveal damaging information about a government agency and be protected and enrich themselves. Have a look at what happened to the doctors who spoke up about the Covid vaccines, or Julian Assange.

And I think it naive to believe that 290 people, from15 countries, over 25 years could keep such a secret.

2 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Seems there were giants. Rattlesnake told me. Can't find much about it though.

I think you and others are romantics you want to believe in wild theories because it makes life seem more interesting. But you don't want to believe in things others take as normal because it makes life seem exciting and a challenge and a small number against the world.

Hard to blame them when so many people still believe in virgin birth and so many other old stories taught to young children. Even though we like to think we have come far in our civilization, some still go out and vote for a man who says one thing, does another, and then trust him anyway, and even defend him,,,,,,,,. But never mind. The world is already <deleted> insane, so what is a little more insanity on top of that? Who really cares.

And here we are, wasting more time. Anyway, I had better start packing and get ready for my trip, almost a quarter around the globe. Around,

8 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Seems there were giants. Rattlesnake told me. Can't find much about it though.

I think you and others are romantics you want to believe in wild theories because it makes life seem more interesting. But you don't want to believe in things others take as normal because it makes life seem exciting and a challenge and a small number against the world.

The psychological angle, eh?

I like a good documentary or a good book, especially if there is a historical or political component to it. Put it this way: being a 'conspiracy theorist' is a fun hobby, plus it has a lot of added benefits in this day and age, it allows one to make the right decisions, from refusing the dangerous Covid jab to preferring meat over insect and plant-based food 'to save the planet', etc.

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Anyway, I had better start packing and get ready for my trip, almost a quarter around the globe. Around,

If you get a chance to chat to the pilot, ask him if the Earth is flat or curved. 😉

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Hard to blame them when so many people still believe in virgin birth and so many other old stories taught to young children. Even though we like to think we have come far in our civilization, some still go out and vote for a man who says one thing, does another, and then trust him anyway, and even defend him,,,,,,,,. But never mind. The world is already <deleted> insane, so what is a little more insanity on top of that? Who really cares.

And here we are, wasting more time. Anyway, I had better start packing and get ready for my trip, almost a quarter around the globe. Around,

Do you think it Christians are the people that disproportional believe this flat earth, phony Apollo landing non-sense?

How many of the leftist morons on here believed/ believe Trump being shot in the ear was a hoax?

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

If you get a chance to chat to the pilot, ask him if the Earth is flat or curved. 😉

I have often wondered why there is not a live nose cam on the onboard infotainment console during a flight

they often provide all the other 'info' about location, speed, altitude,attitude, temperature but not a simple live view out of the front window or view looking straight down at the earth.. I'd also like to see a live view of the cockpit 'for our safety' 😋

16 hours ago, Hummin said:

What happens when the ice wall cracks? Do all the oceans leak into space, or do flat-earthers have a special emergency map for that too?

The Earth is floating in a large glass.

11 minutes ago, johng said:

I have often wondered why there is not a live nose cam on the onboard infotainment console during a flight

they often provide all the other 'info' about location, speed, altitude,attitude, temperature but not a simple live view out of the front window or view looking straight down at the earth.. I'd also like to see a live view of the cockpit 'for our safety' 😋

Great I've never seen a nose cam view on my travels but it seems Emirates A380's have it 👍

Ahh I see he flew business class perhaps they charge extra for the forward looking view ????

3 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

They'll say remember when Anthony Fauci said one wrong thing early in the pandemic and wont consider the 99 things he said right.