8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The Michelson-Morley experiment never destroyed anything and was shown to be false long before Einstein.

Have you never been on the ocean?

It did momentarily. The point I was making is that it caused a problem which "science" resolved. It is well documented that Einstein's theory "saved" the model. He simply got rid of the aether rather than trying to fix the discrepancies it caused (and I am aware of the rationalisations to justify that, it's just that it is very interesting to observe that whatever model needs to be saved ultimately will be saved).

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So all the cell companies are in on it as well, got it.

If you are really coming at this from an honest angle, then I think you should have a look at the Thomas J. Kelly interview I posted earlier in this thread. He was the Chief Project Engineer and later Engineering Manager for the lunar module, so high up in the chain of command, yet he never saw anything else than specs and abstract projections. There was no need for him to be 'in on' anything.

On 4/17/2026 at 11:27 AM, kwilco said:

On 4/16/2026 at 2:27 PM, richard_smith237 said:

centrical force

What is "centrical force"?

The one you were thinking of before highlighting an obvious typo....

36 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The one you were thinking of before highlighting an obvious typo....

which one is that?

23 minutes ago, kwilco said:

59 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The one you were thinking of before highlighting an obvious typo....

which one is that?

The one where the stuff in the middle doesn't want to be in the middle any more....

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The one where the stuff in the middle doesn't want to be in the middle any more....

35 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The one where the stuff in the middle doesn't want to be in the middle any more....

The non-existent one?

'Centrical' is not a force either – it is an adjective meaning situated at, near, or relating to the centre. It indicates a central location or position, often used interchangeably with "central" or "centric". The term is sometimes used to describe a key or focal spot.

15 minutes ago, kwilco said:

The non-existent one?

'Centrical' is not a force either – it is an adjective meaning situated at, near, or relating to the centre. It indicates a central location or position, often used interchangeably with "central" or "centric". The term is sometimes used to describe a key or focal spot.

It was a typo 'Centrifugal' - too late to edit by the time I noticed it...

.... now you can wet yer panties about something else.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

It was a typo 'Centrifugal' - too late to edit by the time I noticed it...

.... now you can wet yer panties about something else.

"centrical force throws them out" - Wasn't a typo more like a malapropism – you thought you knew the word for a concept you didn't know didn't exist. - You're trying to talk your way out of it and you still don't know what you are talking about

On 4/16/2026 at 2:32 PM, richard_smith237 said:

ah.... that’s where Theory of Relativity comes in. As the Boeing 787 Dreamliner accelerates, spacetime politely compresses the route ahead of it, so Johannesburg and Sydney become much closer mid-flight.

It’s a well-known aviation effect - far more noticeable at cruising altitude because gravity is slightly weaker, so relativity really gets going. On the ground you barely notice it, but at 35,000 feet the continents practically lean toward each other...

The pilots don’t mention it because the cabin crew would have to explain why passengers briefly age a few nanoseconds less than their families back home, and that sort of thing causes unnecessary paperwork.

Also explains why there are no sonic booms - the aircraft isn’t exceeding the speed of sound, the sound is just taking a more “philosophical” route through curved spacetime.

Perfectly standard stuff...

Just read this from the man who doesn't even know base-level physics...

The post is a brilliant example of The Dunning-Kruger Effect wrapped in a joke.

It’s a masterclass in "technobabble"—it uses real scientific terms to build a completely fictional (though very entertaining) house of cards. It’s essentially a mix of Special Relativity and General Relativity, both stretched far beyond their breaking points.

 

It treats a commercial airliner like the USS Enterprise. In reality, the distance between Sydney and Johannesburg remains a grueling 12-hour flight, regardless of how "politely" spacetime behaves.

Would you like a more technical rebuttal involving the actual Lorentz transformation equations, or does this "common sense" take cover it?

On 4/16/2026 at 2:22 PM, Yellowtail said:

twice the speed of sound, so two sonic booms

WHAT??? - please read up on supersonic flight!

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

"centrical force throws them out" - Wasn't a typo more like a malapropism – you thought you knew the word for a concept you didn't know didn't exist. - You're trying to talk your way out of it and you still don't know what you are talking about

Just a typo and auto-corrected.... If you want to make a pillock of yourself by blowing it up into something bigger, crack on - you already manage that in most of your posts and you just have again with your follow-up....

The whole point was the deliberately wobbly, made-up “technobabble” taking the pish out of flat-earthers. It wasn't even subtle and you seem to think it was a serious attempt at 'science'.

And, as with your reply to Yellowtail, you’ve gone full lobotomised-obsessive mode - completely unable to let it go, missing the joke entirely like some 'out there on the extremes of a neurodivergent halfwit' unable to grasp the nuance when irony and humour combine..... The “dual sonic boom” line sailed straight over your head.....

9 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

But science can "prove" anything, that's the beauty of it.

Have you come across the proof that 1 = 0? I think that statement is included in 'anything'.

Your constant exaggerations are so silly.

17 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Ground-based, the technology has existed for a long time and towers are still being erected everywhere as we speak.

If you know of a picture of a satellite that isn't CGI, let me know, I'm having trouble on Google Images.

That's LORAN... not GPS. I guess you forgot what the G in GPS stands for. LORAN is only regional as it is land based.

I went sailing a few times off the coast of SoCal. LORAN works great for coastal navigation even though its resolution is only about 400-500m. GPS is good to 5m. Your track record of nonsense is quite impressive.

You could always buy yourself an nice expensive LORAN radio. Maybe someone will drop you off in the middle of the Atlantic and let you get lots of experience using LORAN instead of GPS.

You're having trouble getting agreeable info from Google?..... I'm shocked!

Since you're omniscient... I'm sure you know that some Android powered phones will show the details of the location of the GPS satellites that are currently providing the location data to the phone.

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

It did momentarily. The point I was making is that it caused a problem which "science" resolved. It is well documented that Einstein's theory "saved" the model. He simply got rid of the aether rather than trying to fix the discrepancies it caused (and I am aware of the rationalisations to justify that, it's just that it is very interesting to observe that whatever model needs to be saved ultimately will be saved).

LOL... you think you're making a point? The point you make is an own goal.

Science is self-healing and your attempts to turn that into a flaw reveals your seriously shallow analysis.

49 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

That's LORAN... not GPS. I guess you forgot what the G in GPS stands for. LORAN is only regional as it is land based.

I went sailing a few times off the coast of SoCal. LORAN works great for coastal navigation even though its resolution is only about 400-500m. GPS is good to 5m. Your track record of nonsense is quite impressive.

You could always buy yourself an nice expensive LORAN radio. Maybe someone will drop you off in the middle of the Atlantic and let you get lots of experience using LORAN instead of GPS.

You're having trouble getting agreeable info from Google?..... I'm shocked!

Since you're omniscient... I'm sure you know that some Android powered phones will show the details of the location of the GPS satellites that are currently providing the location data to the phone.

TPS network already very established and expanding as we speak, taking care of everything 'satellites' are supposed to take care of… But you are free to continue believing in this fairytale:

The real interesting thing, in this era we currently live in, is the fast-growing amount of people who are waking up to the BS.

12 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

ust a typo and auto-corrected

Still making pathetic excuses? "centrical" wouldn't come up in autocorrect.

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

That's LORAN... not GPS. I guess you forgot what the G in GPS stands for. LORAN is only regional as it is land based.

I went sailing a few times off the coast of SoCal. LORAN works great for coastal navigation even though its resolution is only about 400-500m. GPS is good to 5m. Your track record of nonsense is quite impressive.

You could always buy yourself an nice expensive LORAN radio. Maybe someone will drop you off in the middle of the Atlantic and let you get lots of experience using LORAN instead of GPS.

You're having trouble getting agreeable info from Google?..... I'm shocked!

Since you're omniscient... I'm sure you know that some Android powered phones will show the details of the location of the GPS satellites that are currently providing the location data to the phone.

LORAN is WW2 technology - Satellite navigation provides superior accuracy, global coverage, and real-time positioning, whereas LORAN was limited to coastal areas with terrestrial chains. - the system was phased out and decommissioned about 40 years ago.

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Still making pathetic excuses? "centrical" wouldn't come up in autocorrect.

Jeez - you are a special kind of special - as in "poor old boomer - he's a bit thpestheial"

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Jeez - you are a special kind of special - as "poor kid, he's a bit thpestheial"

You are trying to imply your arguments are based on evidence and reason, but in fact you don't have even basic scientific knowledge – so how can anything you say have any worth? Yet, like a flat-earther, you ignore the evidence and try to make up fallacious excuses for your blunder. Now bereft of argument and exposed, you resort to ad hominems – very weak. You're just a purveyor of technobabble.

PS – Do you have a speech impediment? Do you find it hinders your appreciation of physics? I hope you're not implying that if I had one, it would affect my cognitive powers?

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

TPS network already very established and expanding as we speak, taking care of everything 'satellites' are supposed to take care of… But you are free to continue believing in this fairytale:

The real interesting thing, in this era we currently live in, is the fast-growing amount of people who are waking up to the BS.

Have you gone off your meds? You'll need to provide some context to explain 'TPS network'... I find no relevance to the current conversation.

27 minutes ago, kwilco said:

You are trying to imply your arguments are based on evidence and reason, but in fact you don't have even basic scientific knowledge – so how can anything you say have any worth? Yet, like a flat-earther, you ignore the evidence and try to make up fallacious excuses for your blunder. Now bereft of argument and exposed, you resort to ad hominems – very weak. You're just a purveyor of technobabble.

PS – Do you have a speech impediment? Do you find it hinders your appreciation of physics? I hope you're not implying that if I had one, it would affect my cognitive powers?

Somethings really go over your head - like a neurotic halfwit who just doesn't get the joke but wont let go - just as you did with the 'dual sonic boom' - your just too dimwitted to get it....

There's a thread here - seems tailored just for you...

https://aseannow.com/topic/1392634-mental-illness-on-an/

You'd find an argument in an empty room - bet you go nuts at your missus when she leaves the toilet seat up....

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

The real interesting thing, in this era we currently live in, is the fast-growing amount of people who are waking up to the BS.

yeah.... the kooks are now much more visible.... but still find logic to be too high a mountain to scale.

13 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

The real interesting thing, in this era we currently live in, is the fast-growing amount of people who are waking up to the BS.

yeah.... the kooks are now much more visible.... but still find logic to be too high a mountain to scale.

Indeed... conspiracists call this the overton window - the idea that once enough people push a view, it shifts from fringe to discussable - then suddenly it’s in mainstream media and feels like a big “awakening”, when really the boundaries of what’s acceptable to talk about have just moved.... in reality its just the Hundredth Monkey Effect - the idea that once a critical number of people adopt something, it suddenly spreads almost magically to everyone else, like a collective “awakening”... its not...

There is no 'awakening' - What conspiracists see as some mass “awakening” - it’s simply visibility and amplification. Social media ripped out the old filters, and platforms like YouTube and X (formerly Twitter) now reward loud, emotional, certainty over facts based content, so conspiracy stuff spreads like wildfire. Some people are just more primed to believe it - they think they are the 'free thinkers'. Then algorithms box them into echo chambers where it looks like “everyone agrees”... It’s not more truth - it’s just more noise, amplified and repeated until it feels bigger than it is.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

doesn't get the joke

So now it's a joke?

First it was a scientific term (but it wasn't).

then it's a "typo" (but it wasn't)

Then it was "autocorrect" (but it wasn't")

And now it's a joke (but it wasn't).

The only joke is you and your lack of understanding of Newton's laws and sonic booms that you've now added to the litany of stuff you don't know about.

So you continue with ad homs in the vague hope it saves you face?

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

conspiracists call this the overton window

not exactly – they use it out of context. It's like their use of pseudoscience adopting and misrepresenting a scientific comcept.

 

While conspiracy theories often live in the realm of the "unthinkable", the Overton Window is the yardstick for what the mainstream population actually considers "sensible" – not conspiracy theories.

 

Think of the Overton Window as a "safety zone" for politicians—it’s not about what’s true or false but about what won't get them fired. Most conspiracy theories actually stay firmly outside the window because they’re too "out there" to be turned into actual law.

 

A politician might personally believe a wild theory, but they usually won't propose a bill based on it unless they want to be seen as unelectable. However, under the Trump administration this line has been seriously eroded and we can include some conspiracy theories – notably vaccines, election fraud, and a secret elite

 

The two only really meet when a theory is used as a "crowbar" to move the window. For example, a fringe theory about election fraud might be "unthinkable", but it can be used to push "voter integrity" laws into the "sensible" category.

 

So, while conspiracy theories and the Overton Window live in different neighbourhoods, they definitely hang out at the same parties when someone wants to shift the public's sense of "normal".

21 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

it's just that it is very interesting to observe that whatever model needs to be saved ultimately will be saved).

See right there .... you violated the first commandment of science.... don't fool yourself... you've found a pattern where none exists!

I believe these guys are convinced they went to space, around the moon and back again.

Short FB reel

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1518848759903747/?fs=e&fs=e

23 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

See right there .... you violated the first commandment of science.... don't fool yourself... you've found a pattern where none exists!

One pattern which is pretty clear is your propensity to avoid inconvenient topics. Speaking of your ten commandments of science, I replied to them on April 11th and you have consistently failed to give me your take on these elements despite a couple of friendly reminders:

And while we're at it, regarding commandment 6, Thou shalt communicate openly:

Why does NASA's Public Affairs Officer block Justin Harvey instead of exchanging with him and explaining why the inconsistencies he flagged regarding the ISS, in a viral video he made, are invalid? That certainly isn't going to help improve trust in the authorities (or help resolve the issue presented in this thread's title), is it?

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Indeed... conspiracists call this the overton window - the idea that once enough people push a view, it shifts from fringe to discussable - then suddenly it’s in mainstream media and feels like a big “awakening”, when really the boundaries of what’s acceptable to talk about have just moved.... in reality its just the Hundredth Monkey Effect - the idea that once a critical number of people adopt something, it suddenly spreads almost magically to everyone else, like a collective “awakening”... its not...

The Overton window is an established concept, which refers to the framework of acceptability of a given issue in the collective mind. A large number of (probably even most) people nowadays will agree with the claim that the US Government was involved, in some way, in JFK's assassination: this is a good example of an Overton window shift, compared to the first three decades (essentially until Oliver Stone's film) during which the Oswald story was accepted as true.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There is no 'awakening' - What conspiracists see as some mass “awakening” - it’s simply visibility and amplification. Social media ripped out the old filters, and platforms like YouTube and X (formerly Twitter) now reward loud, emotional, certainty over facts based content, so conspiracy stuff spreads like wildfire. Some people are just more primed to believe it - they think they are the 'free thinkers'. Then algorithms box them into echo chambers where it looks like “everyone agrees”... It’s not more truth - it’s just more noise, amplified and repeated until it feels bigger than it is.

I think this really is the gist of the issue: on the one hand, there is increasing discontent regarding the 'conspiracy theorist problem', the 'rise of anti-science', 'vaccine scepticism at record levels' etc., and on the other hand a tendency to dismiss these issues as the sole product of social media-driven echochambers and amplification mechanisms which give uninformed voices much more space and volume than they deserve. There really is a dichotomy here, i.e. a fundamental contradiction at the premise: you can't claim that these ideas represent a societal, civilisational threat, and simultaneously hold the idea that they are a mere distortion of reality which could be solved by tweaking algorithms. If this were the case, Peter Hotez would not have written a book and held conferences about it, nor would the Council on Foreign Relations have published the below article two days ago.

The change in sentiment is real and the Overton window definitely has shifted regarding the trustworthiness of 'Science' and the authorities in general.

5 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Have you gone off your meds?

Such hostility… Take a step back and relax, all I have done is express my differing view on the shape of the Earth, this is not warranted (though very expected, as I know from experience).

5 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

You'll need to provide some context to explain 'TPS network'... I find no relevance to the current conversation.

TPS means Terrestrial Positioning Service, gamb00ler.