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Why so many conspiracy theorists and what to do about them

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For the hoaxer "intellectuals" – who think "What do we mean by 'what do we mean" - is a philosophical proposition... and believe in Noah's magical zoo-boat.

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6 hours ago, kwilco said:

For the hoaxer "intellectuals" – who think "What do we mean by 'what do we mean" - is a philosophical proposition... and believe in Noah's magical zoo-boat.

I instantly identified a vegan there, and a quick check revealed that Heather Shaw (who is 38 but looks 10 years older) indeed is a vegan. She should eat meat. She comes across as very obnoxious and aggressive.

The raw milk-drinking girl looks much healthier and nicer.

😂

23 hours ago, kwilco said:

For the hoaxer "intellectuals"

The Jim Carrey thing was more of a practical joke than a conspiracy.

Still, doesn't mean you can take one incident and use it to discredit all conspiracies.

Spielberg claims his new film "Disclosure" about govts hiding the existence of aliens is more truth than fiction.

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38 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The Jim Carrey thing was more of a practical joke than a conspiracy.

Still, doesn't mean you can take one incident and use it to discredit all conspiracies.

Spielberg claims his new film "Disclosure" about govts hiding the existence of aliens is more truth than fiction.

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You should investigate this guy and and his claims

He believes in the Matrix

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

He believes in the Matrix

How do you explain fake religions surviving 2000 years and still one of the causes of wars today?

You don't need to call it The Matrix. Call it something else if it makes you less afraid.

We don't want you to be frightened.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

How do you explain fake religions surviving 2000 years and still one of the causes of wars today?

You don't need to call it The Matrix. Call it something else if it makes you less afraid.

We don't want you to be frightened.

The truth is, nobody really knows, and there is something deeply honest in that. I do not need all the answers, and I can live my life well enough without them. Still, the philosophical questions around existence remain interesting.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

How do you explain fake religions surviving 2000 years and still one of the causes of wars today?

You don't need to call it The Matrix. Call it something else if it makes you less afraid.

We don't want you to be frightened.

Religions aren't fake, they are real.

Wars are the result of the human propensity to pursue power, wealth and domination… religion being one of catalysts used in this process.

In the middle ages those who rightfully asserted that the earth was round, were called "conspiracy theorists" actually...

31 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

In the middle ages those who rightfully asserted that the earth was round, were called "conspiracy theorists" actually...

Exactly.

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On 4/23/2026 at 4:58 PM, SingAPorn said:

In the middle ages those who rightfully asserted that the earth was round, were called "conspiracy theorists" actually...

No, they weren't because there was no widespread "flat Earth" belief in Western Christendom during the Middle Ages. Consensus for a spherical Earth was well established by 300 BC, remaining so throughout the Middle Ages.

The modern Flat Earth movement began in 1956 when Samuel Shenton founded the Flat Earth Society in the UK, although it was rooted in the 19th-century "Zetetic Astronomy" theories of Samuel Rowbotham...

Here is a modern depiction by Terry Pratchett...

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5 hours ago, kwilco said:

No, they weren't because there was no widespread "flat Earth" belief in Western Christendom during the Middle Ages. Consensus for a spherical Earth was well established by 300 BC, remaining so throughout the Middle Ages.

The modern Flat Earth movement began in 1956 when Samuel Shenton founded the Flat Earth Society in the UK, although it was rooted in the 19th-century "Zetetic Astronomy" theories of Samuel Rowbotham...

Here is a modern depiction by Terry Pratchett...

pratchett esrth from Aremis .jpg

Shadow of Earth when a lunar eclipse with a flat earth?

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9 hours ago, Hummin said:

Shadow of Earth when a lunar eclipse with a flat earth?

The simplest thing is the mast of a ship disappearing over the horizon... but Eratosthenes of Cyrene (c. 276–194 BC) is recognised as the first person to scientifically calculate the size of the Earth as a globe (circumference) in around 240 BC, using geometry, astronomical observations, and the concept of the curved Earth.

That ships disappeared hull-first over the horizon was already known and used by early Greeks (including Aristotle) to argue that the Earth was a sphere, Eratosthenes is credited with the first precise, mathematical calculation of its scale.

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As I understand it, flat Earth proponents generally believe the Earth is a stationary plane or disc rather than a sphere, often arguing that sensory experience (the horizon looks flat) outweighs scientific evidence. They frequently claim that NASA and other space agencies fake images of a round Earth, viewing the spherical model as a conspiracy. Wikipedia

 

1 - Rejection of Gravity: Many flat-earthers argue gravity does not exist, proposing instead that the earth is constantly accelerating upwards, which contradicts the physics that forces large celestial bodies into spherical shapes.

 

2 - Unique Status of Earth: A core tenet is that Earth is not a planet, but a unique, special creation, and therefore is not subject to the same physical laws as other celestial bodies.

Ad Hoc Explanations: They often explain evidence of a round Earth (like ships disappearing over the horizon) through alternative theories, such as atmospheric perspective or specialized lighting, rather than curvature.

 

3 - Conspiracy Beliefs: Proponents tend to view photos and videos from space as fabricated by "Big Globe" entities to profit from the mainstream scientific model. YouTube

 

While they often claim the sun and moon are small, close objects circling over the disk, these theories fail to explain scientific phenomena like seasons or lunar eclipses, which are easily explained by a spherical Eart

 

The Flat Earth Playbook: A Quick Breakdown

For those following the "Flat Earth" rabbit hole on the forums, here is a condensed look at the core arguments and why they don’t quite hold water:

 

Core Beliefs & Claims

  • The "Flat" Horizon: Proponents rely on "sensory experience" over scientific data, arguing that because the horizon looks flat to the naked eye, it must be a stationary disc.

  • Anti-Gravity: Many reject gravity entirely. Instead, they claim the Earth is constantly accelerating upwards or rely on "density/buoyancy" to explain why things fall.

  • Earth as a "Special Case": They argue Earth isn't a planet at all, but a unique creation exempt from the laws of physics that govern other celestial bodies.

  • Small Sun/Moon: They claim the sun and moon are tiny, close-range objects circling above the disc, though this fails to explain seasons or lunar eclipses.

The "Ad Hoc" Defence

When faced with evidence like ships disappearing over the horizon or the curvature of the Earth, the community often pivots to:

  • Atmospheric Perspective: Claiming light and "specialized lighting" create the illusion of a curve.

  • "Big Globe" Conspiracy: Dismissing all satellite imagery and NASA photos as CGI/fakes designed to keep "the truth" hidden for profit.

The Bottom Line: While the theories are creative, they consistently fall apart when tested against basic physics—like why we have seasons or how lunar eclipses actually work on a spherical model.

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

As I understand it, flat Earth proponents generally believe the Earth is a stationary plane or disc rather than a sphere, often arguing that sensory experience (the horizon looks flat) outweighs scientific evidence. They frequently claim that NASA and other space agencies fake images of a round Earth, viewing the spherical model as a conspiracy. Wikipedia

 

1 - Rejection of Gravity: Many flat-earthers argue gravity does not exist, proposing instead that the earth is constantly accelerating upwards, which contradicts the physics that forces large celestial bodies into spherical shapes.

 

2 - Unique Status of Earth: A core tenet is that Earth is not a planet, but a unique, special creation, and therefore is not subject to the same physical laws as other celestial bodies.

Ad Hoc Explanations: They often explain evidence of a round Earth (like ships disappearing over the horizon) through alternative theories, such as atmospheric perspective or specialized lighting, rather than curvature.

 

3 - Conspiracy Beliefs: Proponents tend to view photos and videos from space as fabricated by "Big Globe" entities to profit from the mainstream scientific model. YouTube

 

While they often claim the sun and moon are small, close objects circling over the disk, these theories fail to explain scientific phenomena like seasons or lunar eclipses, which are easily explained by a spherical Eart

 

The Flat Earth Playbook: A Quick Breakdown

For those following the "Flat Earth" rabbit hole on the forums, here is a condensed look at the core arguments and why they don’t quite hold water:

 

Core Beliefs & Claims

  • The "Flat" Horizon: Proponents rely on "sensory experience" over scientific data, arguing that because the horizon looks flat to the naked eye, it must be a stationary disc.

  • Anti-Gravity: Many reject gravity entirely. Instead, they claim the Earth is constantly accelerating upwards or rely on "density/buoyancy" to explain why things fall.

  • Earth as a "Special Case": They argue Earth isn't a planet at all, but a unique creation exempt from the laws of physics that govern other celestial bodies.

  • Small Sun/Moon: They claim the sun and moon are tiny, close-range objects circling above the disc, though this fails to explain seasons or lunar eclipses.

The "Ad Hoc" Defence

When faced with evidence like ships disappearing over the horizon or the curvature of the Earth, the community often pivots to:

  • Atmospheric Perspective: Claiming light and "specialized lighting" create the illusion of a curve.

  • "Big Globe" Conspiracy: Dismissing all satellite imagery and NASA photos as CGI/fakes designed to keep "the truth" hidden for profit.

The Bottom Line: While the theories are creative, they consistently fall apart when tested against basic physics—like why we have seasons or how lunar eclipses actually work on a spherical model.

It is more about being disappointed in life. When life feels difficult, unfair, or meaningless, some people start looking for a bigger explanation. There must be another reason, something hidden behind it all.

That is where the idea of everything being fake, fiction, or one big lie can become attractive. It gives pain a structure. It turns confusion into a story. And sometimes that story feels easier to accept than the idea that life can simply be hard, random, unfair, and badly organized without any secret master plan behind it.

But believing everything is a lie does not necessarily make a person wiser. Sometimes it is just disappointment looking for a system.

The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories — Karen M. Douglas, Robbie M. Sutton, and Aleksandra Cichocka, Current Directions in Psychological Science, 2017. It explains that conspiracy beliefs are often linked to three motives: wanting understanding and certainty, wanting safety and control, and wanting a positive identity for oneself or one’s group.

But this is pure conspiracy as well?

12 minutes ago, kwilco said:

As I understand it, flat Earth proponents generally believe the Earth is a stationary plane or disc rather than a sphere, often arguing that sensory experience (the horizon looks flat) outweighs scientific evidence. They frequently claim that NASA and other space agencies fake images of a round Earth, viewing the spherical model as a conspiracy. Wikipedia

 

1 - Rejection of Gravity: Many flat-earthers argue gravity does not exist, proposing instead that the earth is constantly accelerating upwards, which contradicts the physics that forces large celestial bodies into spherical shapes.

 

2 - Unique Status of Earth: A core tenet is that Earth is not a planet, but a unique, special creation, and therefore is not subject to the same physical laws as other celestial bodies.

Ad Hoc Explanations: They often explain evidence of a round Earth (like ships disappearing over the horizon) through alternative theories, such as atmospheric perspective or specialized lighting, rather than curvature.

 

3 - Conspiracy Beliefs: Proponents tend to view photos and videos from space as fabricated by "Big Globe" entities to profit from the mainstream scientific model. YouTube

 

While they often claim the sun and moon are small, close objects circling over the disk, these theories fail to explain scientific phenomena like seasons or lunar eclipses, which are easily explained by a spherical Eart

 

The Flat Earth Playbook: A Quick Breakdown

For those following the "Flat Earth" rabbit hole on the forums, here is a condensed look at the core arguments and why they don’t quite hold water:

 

Core Beliefs & Claims

  • The "Flat" Horizon: Proponents rely on "sensory experience" over scientific data, arguing that because the horizon looks flat to the naked eye, it must be a stationary disc.

  • Anti-Gravity: Many reject gravity entirely. Instead, they claim the Earth is constantly accelerating upwards or rely on "density/buoyancy" to explain why things fall.

  • Earth as a "Special Case": They argue Earth isn't a planet at all, but a unique creation exempt from the laws of physics that govern other celestial bodies.

  • Small Sun/Moon: They claim the sun and moon are tiny, close-range objects circling above the disc, though this fails to explain seasons or lunar eclipses.

The "Ad Hoc" Defence

When faced with evidence like ships disappearing over the horizon or the curvature of the Earth, the community often pivots to:

  • Atmospheric Perspective: Claiming light and "specialized lighting" create the illusion of a curve.

  • "Big Globe" Conspiracy: Dismissing all satellite imagery and NASA photos as CGI/fakes designed to keep "the truth" hidden for profit.

The Bottom Line: While the theories are creative, they consistently fall apart when tested against basic physics—like why we have seasons or how lunar eclipses actually work on a spherical model.

I do not think they actually believe the Earth is flat, I think they just pretend to for attention.

A lot of them make money with the idiocy, more power to them.

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5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I do not think they actually believe the Earth is flat, I think they just pretend to for attention.

A lot of them make money with the idiocy, more power to them.

I think SOME make money, but the others are just innately stupid, as in Dunning-Kruger syndrome – most don't have the intelligence to make money from it. Never eve seen a flat earth tour company

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12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is more about being disappointed in life. When life feels difficult, unfair, or meaningless, some people start looking for a bigger explanation. There must be another reason, something hidden behind it all.

That is where the idea of everything being fake, fiction, or one big lie can become attractive. It gives pain a structure. It turns confusion into a story. And sometimes that story feels easier to accept than the idea that life can simply be hard, random, unfair, and badly organized without any secret master plan behind it.

But believing everything is a lie does not necessarily make a person wiser. Sometimes it is just disappointment looking for a system.

The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories — Karen M. Douglas, Robbie M. Sutton, and Aleksandra Cichocka, Current Directions in Psychological Science, 2017. It explains that conspiracy beliefs are often linked to three motives: wanting understanding and certainty, wanting safety and control, and wanting a positive identity for oneself or one’s group.

But this is pure conspiracy as well?

Think I mentioned that before -

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I think SOME make money, but the others are just innately stupid, as in Dunning-Kruger syndrome – most don't have the intelligence to make money from it. Never eve seen a flat earth tour company

I disagree. Sure, some of them are stupid, but more stupid people believe the world is a "round" than believe it is flat.

Think of it like a club

15 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Think I mentioned that before -

Been already mentioned a few times and also more mental researches presented as well.

"Believing" the Earth is flat makes them special.

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18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

"Believing" the Earth is flat makes them special.

part of a group – a sense of belonging and "knowing" something that others don't – i.e., a conspiracy – which is why most usually buy one, buy them all

7 minutes ago, kwilco said:

part of a group – a sense of belonging and "knowing" something that others don't – i.e., a conspiracy – which is why most usually buy one, buy them all

It the chicks at the flat-Earth meetings are hot, I'm in, that they are likely stupid is a plus!

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It the chicks at the flat-Earth meetings are hot, I'm in, that they are likely stupid is a plus!

Tila Tequila is a proud ambassador of our cause.

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3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Tila Tequila is a proud ambassador of our cause.

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I would say the world was flat to tear a piece of that off.

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I would say the world was flat to tear a piece of that off.

Indeed, not everything is flat in our world.

8 hours ago, kwilco said:

The simplest thing is the mast of a ship disappearing over the horizon...

Vanishing point.

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Tila Tequila is a proud ambassador of our cause.

imago0052658091s.jpg

What is your cause, exactly?

48 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

What is your cause, exactly?

A cause for concern, by all accounts.

Edited by rattlesnake

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