A Night in the Thai Police Station

[sungod]

58 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

And why would I have a problem with that? I drive totally legally in both the UK and Thailand.

 You need to take a reality check, carry on with your nose up in the air and you will find you don't get very far.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

Not attacking, pointing out reality.

 

But in the context of your comments 'levied at' MangoKorat - your comments are incorrect... yet you have repeated them when others have corrected you.

 

 

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

I see you have some problems with the Ukrainians. Don't want to disappoint you but I am not Ukrainian. And, by the way, the worst possible offenders on the Thai roads are actually Thais themselves. As you could see from my initial post, there were 15 locals in the cell caught for DUI and only one foreigner - me.

 

Then why did you sycophantically say you want to kiss a Ukrainian soldier's feet in the Ukraine thread? I almost threw up.

 

Yes, I know Thais are the main culprits for bad driving, but their bad driving doesn't reflect badly on farangs!  I mean what were you thinking? Knocking down whiskey and going to drive?  You did not consider how much your wanton act of recklessness would impact us, the law abiding farang community as a whole, did you? 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, sungod said:

 You need to take a reality check, carry on with your nose up in the air and you will find you don't get very far.

 

Highlight exactly where / how MangoKorat is driving illegally here....    pls specify.

[sungod]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

 

But in the context of your comments 'levied at' MangoKorat - your comments are incorrect... yet you have repeated them when others have corrected you.

 

 

 

I stand by my comments, whilst technically others comments may be correct, they are living in a parallel universe if they think they can carry on like that.

 

Seems like you are another who needs a reality check.

[sungod]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Highlight exactly where / how MangoKorat is driving illegally here....    pls specify.

 

No need, I never said he was.

[sungod]

53 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

More barstool and mug talk.  I've never been in a serious accident in Thailand but I can think of 2 mates who have. One was at fault, not sure about the other but the one thing I am sure of is that neither will have given the police a single baht - they both think like me.

 

You might like to 'wake up' as you say - things are changing.  Thai's are even starting to stand up to the police - not seen the news stories of them recording incidents of attempted corrupt police activity on their smartphones?  The police wave them on.

 

I don't need to wake up - I've spent a considerable amount of time in Thailand over the last 22 years. I've driven/ridden literally hundreds of thousands of kilometers and never once have I paid the police or knowingly taken part in any form of corruption. Perhaps its you that needs to wake up?

 

So funny, the reason the police facilitate an agreement is so they can take their cut instead of it going to court. You think they are doing it for the love of the job?

 

I don't think you are stupid by a long way, just incredibly naive.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

I stand by my comments, whilst technically others comments may be correct, they are living in a parallel universe if they think they can carry on like that.

 

Carry on like what exactly ??   someone with a spine who is capable of politely challenging a police offers decision ?

 

 

6 minutes ago, sungod said:

Seems like you are another who needs a reality check.

 

The reality of being here for well over two decades is good enough thanks...  

 

Seems you are scared of your shadow.

 

 

Your "the falang is always in the wrong'" argument is also very flawed...  seems you only have 'bar-stool' experience if you believe that tosh... 

 

 

[sungod]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The reality of being here for well over two decades is good enough thanks...  

 

Always makes me giggle when posters think they can large it up by saying how long they have been here, what you trying to say, you haven't been here as long as me? 🤣

[sungod]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your "the falang is always in the wrong'" argument is also very flawed...  seems you only have 'bar-stool' experience if you believe that tosh... 

 

The continued problem you have with your barstool Richard is that its higher than everyone elses, its why you are always looking down your nose at people who dare challenge you.

[MangoKorat]

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

So funny, the reason the police facilitate an agreement is so they can take their cut instead of it going to court. You think they are doing it for the love of the job?

 

I don't think you are stupid by a long way, just incredibly naive.

Naive?  I think I've explained fairly comprehensively why I'm not and others have also commented that their experiences have been the same.  I would not be stupid enough to state that the police never take a cut - simply because I don't know that.  What I do know is my experiences and those are that you do not have to pay the police. How can my experiences be naive?

 

No, the police are not doing it for the love of their job but by both sides coming to an agreement, their job can often be made much easier - they don't seem to like working or filling in forms very much.

 

Yes, I know very well that people do pay the police, its common knowledge but that's usually because they have been breaking the law - sometimes by drink driving. All I'm saying is that if you are certain you have done nothing wrong, you don't have to pay them.  Get your phone out and start recording - see what they do.

 

Its barstool rubbish and very much like those who claim they've been 'fined' for doing DIY on their home.  They mistake police corruption for the truth, the stories perpetuate and become the truth in many people's eyes..  A member once posted on here that he had been fined by the police for working when all he had done was to drill a hole in the wall of his home.  If that story was true, what he should have done was refuse to pay anything and ask for his day in court.  I discussed that story with my Thai lawyer who stated that it was rubbish - there wasn't a court in the land that would have fined him for doing that and he should have refused.

 

The police have learned that they can squeeze cash out of some foreigners so they try - next time you have a problem and you know they are wrong - grow a pair and refuse.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The reality of being here for well over two decades is good enough thanks...  

 

Always makes me giggle when posters think they can large it up by saying how long they have been here, what you trying to say, you haven't been here as long as me? 🤣

 

I've been here for long enough to know how things work here...  thats not 'larging it up' ye daftie, its simple fact.

 

 

I don't disagree with your comments on corruption - its part of the game we have to get involved with here to make life simpler and avoid delays etc...   but other 'disagreements' you expressed with MangoKorat highlight your flawed opinions...  i.e. you stated he needs to take a reality check, when his driving here is perfectly legal etc... 

... you've only sought to contradict him deliberately avoiding common ground that lengthy experience if being here brings...   This indicates you either live in a very different area of Thailand (i.e. a farang Ghetto in Pattaya) or you are simply inexperienced to the realities of general life in Thailand - particularly when it comes to the interactions with the average policeman etc....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, sungod said:

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your "the falang is always in the wrong'" argument is also very flawed...  seems you only have 'bar-stool' experience if you believe that tosh... 

 

The continued problem you have with your barstool Richard is that its higher than everyone elses, its why you are always looking down your nose at people who dare challenge you.

 

I don't... I’m no stranger to sharp, reasoned debate - many here challenge me with arguments of substance and intellect.

 

You, however, now take offence not because I condescend, but because your flimsy notions collapse under the weight of basic common sense.

 

It’s not that I’m looking down on you; it’s that you're craning your neck to glimpse the lowest rung of reason and you now get defensive.

[sungod]

6 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Naive?  I think I've explained fairly comprehensively why I'm not and others have also commented that their experiences have been the same.  I would not be stupid enough to state that the police never take a cut - simply because I don't know that.  What I do know is my experiences and those are that you do not have to pay the police. How can my experiences be naive?

 

No, the police are not doing it for the love of their job but by both sides coming to an agreement, their job can often be made much easier - they don't seem to like working or filling in forms very much.

 

Yes, I know very well that people do pay the police, its common knowledge but that's usually because they have been breaking the law - sometimes by drink driving. All I'm saying is that if you are certain you have done nothing wrong, you don't have to pay them.  Get your phone out and start recording - see what they do.

 

Its barstool rubbish and very much like those who claim they've been 'fined' for doing DIY on their home.  They mistake police corruption for the truth, the stories perpetuate and become the truth in many people's eyes..  A member once posted on here that he had been fined by the police for working when all he had done was to drill a hole in the wall of his home.  If that story was true, what he should have done was refuse to pay anything and ask for his day in court.  I discussed that story with my Thai lawyer who stated that it was rubbish - there wasn't a court in the land that would have fined him for doing that and he should have refused.

 

The police have learned that they can squeeze cash out of some foreigners so they try - next time you have a problem and you know they are wrong - grow a pair and refuse.

 

You just dont get it do you, my balls are bigger than yours and I will stand up, but there becomes a point at times when that antagonizes and you need to take a reality check and play the game.

 

Bye.

[treetops]

16 hours ago, Hellfire said:

Still, I believe I was treated unfairly.

 

You weren't.

 

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

As a comparison - the DUI limit in the UK is 35 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath (0.08% BAC equivalent) - the Op was still under the UK DUI limit.

 

Only in parts of the UK.  In others it's 22 micrograms or 0.05% BAC so the OP could have been locked up there too.

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Naive?  I think I've explained fairly comprehensively why I'm not and others have also commented that their experiences have been the same.  I would not be stupid enough to state that the police never take a cut - simply because I don't know that.  What I do know is my experiences and those are that you do not have to pay the police. How can my experiences be naive?

 

No, the police are not doing it for the love of their job but by both sides coming to an agreement, their job can often be made much easier - they don't seem to like working or filling in forms very much.

 

Yes, I know very well that people do pay the police, its common knowledge but that's usually because they have been breaking the law - sometimes by drink driving. All I'm saying is that if you are certain you have done nothing wrong, you don't have to pay them.  Get your phone out and start recording - see what they do.

 

Its barstool rubbish and very much like those who claim they've been 'fined' for doing DIY on their home.  They mistake police corruption for the truth, the stories perpetuate and become the truth in many people's eyes..  A member once posted on here that he had been fined by the police for working when all he had done was to drill a hole in the wall of his home.  If that story was true, what he should have done was refuse to pay anything and ask for his day in court.  I discussed that story with my Thai lawyer who stated that it was rubbish - there wasn't a court in the land that would have fined him for doing that and he should have refused.

 

The police have learned that they can squeeze cash out of some foreigners so they try - next time you have a problem and you know they are wrong - grow a pair and refuse.

 

Again - a perfectly reasonable response and wholly accurate example of normal life in Thailand.

 

Those who don't see things in a similar manner are either limited in the experiences, perhaps due to only being in certain area's of Thailand (such as central Pattaya) etc... and project from that experience, or they simply have not been here to garner sufficient well informed base of understanding.

 

[sungod]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I don't... I’m no stranger to sharp, reasoned debate - many here challenge me with arguments of substance and intellect.

 

You, however, now take offence not because I condescend, but because your flimsy notions collapse under the weight of basic common sense.

 

It’s not that I’m looking down on you; it’s that you're craning your neck to glimpse the lowest rung of reason and you now get defensive.

 

I just call a spade a spade, nothing about being defensive. Plenty others on here find many of your posts condescending.

[sungod]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

 

Again - a perfectly reasonable response and wholly accurate example of normal life in Thailand.

 

Those who don't see things in a similar manner are either limited in the experiences, perhaps due to only being in certain area's of Thailand (such as central Pattaya) etc... and project from that experience, or they simply have not been here to garner sufficient well informed base of understanding.

 

Or they are not as clever as you, you left that bit out.

[MangoKorat]

38 minutes ago, sungod said:

 You need to take a reality check, carry on with your nose up in the air and you will find you don't get very far.

Really? Well its worked for 22 years, what makes you think it won't carry on?

 

Listen,  I  (with the help of my Thai lawyer) took a major Thai hospital to court and they backed down and settled just before the court date.

 

Ditto, with the same lawyer I took my ex Thai wife to court, she went to see a lawyer herself and settled before court.

 

On both occasions I was told I was wasting my time - the old 'farang always loses' rubbish.

 

Its nothing but bar stool rubbish - those who do get prosecuted have probably broken the law and those who have lost money to a Thai wife, either weren't entitled to it or haven't tried the Thai courts. They simply go on perpetuating the 'farang always loses' crap.

 

Having said that, there will always be times where even the courts get it wrong but that applies to Thai's as equally as it does to foreigners. The 'farang' does not always lose - I have first hand evidence of that, where does your evidence come from?

[sungod]

I'm off for 15 pints and a couple of joints in a titty bar in the Pattaya ghetto, dont worry, I will be taking a taxi home.

 

Catch you all later.

[faraday]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

I'm off for

and a couple of joints in a titty bar in the Pattaya ghetto, dont worry, I will be taking a taxi home.

 

Catch you all later.

Lightweight, I normally drink 20 pints & 3 large bottles of Lao Khao.

 

At lunchtime.

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, treetops said:

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

As a comparison - the DUI limit in the UK is 35 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath (0.08% BAC equivalent) - the Op was still under the UK DUI limit.

 

Only in parts of the UK.  In others it's 22 micrograms or 0.05% BAC so the OP could have been locked up there too.

 

Valid point: I may well have been wrong in my initial assesment of the Ops numbers:

It actually depends on the exact units the Op was measured with.

 

He was given a percentage and a 27 value - which is somewhat contradictory... 

 

 

Thus: his value could have been: 

 

0.027% BAC equivalent...   

..which is under the UK limit (of 0.08% BAC) / 35 micrograms per 100 ml

 

Or

 

27 micrograms per 100 ml which as you rightly point out is over The Thailand limit of 22 micrograms per 100 ml / equivalent to 0.05% BAC

 

 

Thus: The Op hasn't been quite specific in his figures - I went with the % and BAC equivalent but may have been mistaken and his reading was actually 27 micrograms per 100 ml...  in which case he was over even with a standard driving license (but still under the equivalent UK limits).

 

 

[liddelljohn]

Thai police are always after a pay day , thats why  the senior officer was ranting at your wife , so he could extort more money ... 

 

The UK is no different    ,, the Cops and  on duty free lawyers  work with corrupt CPS   to get people to plead guilty even when innocent  of no crime with threats  ,  makes the cops look good , CPS gets a cheap win  ,, they lie and  the only way to  beat them is to go to Crown court which cost you a lot in lawyers fees   , and then The Police and CPS drop the case  as their bluff is called as they are quickly found out    and the judge gets angry with them ,,, but its abuse of procedure  and very immoral...    

[faraday]

What happened?

 

I quoted Sungod & the wording was changed. 

 

Yours,

 

confused of isaan 

( been here 90 years)

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, sungod said:

I just call a spade a spade, nothing about being defensive. Plenty others on here find many of your posts condescending.

 

I can understand that, people don't like being wrong or called out for their rubbish and take things personally and get defensive.... 

 

I've called you out for attacking another poster with flawed commentary - naturally you don't like it because you lack the emotional tools to sit back and recognise your commentary was flawed... 

 

You will probably read MangoKorats latest comment, recognise that you were incorrect -but face and ego will prevent you from openly admitting that. 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, sungod said:

I'm off for 15 pints and a couple of joints in a titty bar in the Pattaya ghetto, dont worry, I will be taking a taxi home.

 

Catch you all later.

 

Nothing wrong with that at all - Enjoy !!!...    

 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, faraday said:

What happened?

 

I quoted Sungod & the wording was changed. 

 

Yours,

 

confused of isaan 

( been here 90 years)

 

School of Hard Knocks followed by the University of life  ?????   

[treetops]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thus: The Op hasn't been quite specific in his figures - I went with the % and BAC equivalent but may have been mistaken and his reading was actually 27 micrograms per 100 ml...  in which case he was over even with a standard driving license (but still under the equivalent UK limits).

 

I think you were correct with your original assumptions, my point was that he could also have been locked up in parts of the UK at these levels as what you are quoting as a UK limit is much lower in Scotland.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, treetops said:

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thus: The Op hasn't been quite specific in his figures - I went with the % and BAC equivalent but may have been mistaken and his reading was actually 27 micrograms per 100 ml...  in which case he was over even with a standard driving license (but still under the equivalent UK limits).

 

I think you were correct with your original assumptions, my point was that he could also have been locked up in parts of the UK at these levels as what you are quoting as a UK limit is much lower in Scotland.

 

Agreed -  I was mistaken when quoting the UK level...  I should have written the England and Wales Level. 

 

The DUI limits for Scotland are less - and the same as Thailand (full licence) at: 22 micrograms per 100 ml / equivalent to 0.05% BAC

 

 

[MangoKorat]

10 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

You just dont get it do you, my balls are bigger than yours and I will stand up, but there becomes a point at times when that antagonizes and you need to take a reality check and play the game.

 

Bye.

I 'get it' completely - I get that now, instead of admitting that you are wrong, you are now going 50/50 by saying 'there becomes a point' bla bla bla.

 

The actual fact is that you have a choice, you can pay your way out of a situation or you can refuse (if you know you are right).  You cannot say I'm wrong, because I know it to be true. I refuse, others pay.  At the start of your argument you were stating that its reality and claiming its what you have to do if you live in Thailand. Now you say that you do 'stand up' but only to a point. Which is it?

 

You then move on to calling me naive - how can that be correct when I have proved time and time again that you don't have to pay the police - and that's the nub of it - you don't have to if you are sure you've done nothing wrong, That is plain and simple corruption and although you may not think so, you do have a choice.

 

Yes, choosing not to pay may well cost you time, even money but for someone like me who is totally anti corruption, paying the police is out of the question. I'd rather go to court and end up with a bigger fine if I lost.