Opinion Russian Teacher to Thais: Drop ‘Farang’ if 'Ni Hao' Offends

[Chris1950]

On 4/22/2025 at 3:23 AM, BangkokReady said:

 

Quite.  It isn't inherently racist, but if you called a Thai friend who you knew well and whose name you knew "Asian guy", it would instantly be offensive.

 

It's referring to someone you know as " the foreigner", or using it in a negative way, i.e. suggesting that foreigners are bad, that is clearly racist.

 

If someone said "I saw a farang in the town today, he was very tall", I don't think anyone would have an issue with it.  If your father in law, who you have known for years, says to your wife, "What is that farang doing today", it is obviously offensive.

Not so sure about this. I asked some Thai friends if Japanese, Chinese, President Obama or Denzil Washington were farangs. In each case the answer was "no".  It seemed to be exclusively used, at least by them, for white people; that is surely racist.

[FruitPudding]

I don't see the similarity here.

 

'Ni hao' means 'hello' in China, right?

 

'Farang' comes from the Thai word for Français (ฝรั่งเศส) and it is used to describe white people.

[murto]

1 minute ago, FruitPudding said:

I don't see the similarity here.

 

'Ni hao' means 'hello' in China, right?

 

'Farang' comes from the Thai word for Français (ฝรั่งเศส) and it is used to describe white people.

Correct! Too many people seem to thrive on believing they're being insulted. 

[ikke1959]

4 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Yeah, so? Again, it does not have a negative connotation. It's all just in your head. I've been asking numerous Thais of all ages about that word and all of them, independently from each other, have said the same, even that 60 year old, extremely polite female teacher....

Hey you Thai... you don't have a name??? Or are you being offended if I only call you THai?? The Thai has comment on my post... That is normal??

[FruitPudding]

47 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

Hey you Thai... you don't have a name??? Or are you being offended if I only call you THai?? The Thai has comment on my post... That is normal??

 

And since 'farang' is used only to describe white people,  it's probably more akin to saying "gook" or "chink" to describe East Asians or maybe "<deleted>" to describe all South Asians. Perhaps even the "n word" to describe black people in general. 

 

I think it really is a racial slur; it does not mean 'foreigner,' regardless of what a dictionary may say: Thais only use it for white people. There is another word for all foreigners (ชาวต่างชาติ)

 

That said, I am not actually offended by the word farang and I refer to myself as a farang, much like African Americans refer to themselves as....."you know what" (hilariously, I am afraid to actually say it, lol, how bizarre)

[Packer]

And then there are all the Thai born of Indian descent, that are called แขก (guest) for their entire life in their own homeland. Ohh, poor farangs crying at not being held aloft and carried through the streets on the local's shoulders for being so utterly superior. How horrid.  🙂

[rabang]

3 hours ago, Packer said:

And then there are all the Thai born of Indian descent, that are called แขก (guest) for their entire life in their own homeland. Ohh, poor farangs crying at not being held aloft and carried through the streets on the local's shoulders for being so utterly superior. How horrid.  🙂

It is still idiotic not to address people as individuals.

[FruitPudding]

3 minutes ago, rabang said:

It is still idiotic not to address people as individuals.

 

Thais are a collective society though.

[rabang]

1 minute ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Thais are a collective society though.

Yet they use names of each other instead of home town or province demonyms.

[Packer]

29 minutes ago, rabang said:

It is still idiotic not to address people as individuals.

 

Clueless farang alert. 🙂 

[FruitPudding]

35 minutes ago, rabang said:

Yet they use names of each other instead of home town or province demonyms.

 

Not really. Spend time in a village, you'll see!

 

They call random old guys in the village "father," old women are called "mother," middle-aged guys are called "uncle," and so on..........they are not actually related.

 

Even I was called uncle in the village sometimes. Farang too, of course. Also, teacher. And, father as well........but never by my name. Haha

 

Or they just call each other "pee" or "nong" by age/status. Or "buk" for naughty boys and pet dogs.

 

It's similar in Indonesia, too. They call each other brother and sister, father and mother etc. etc. depending on their age/status in the community. They even say it to strangers. 

 

It's actually about respect/duty to call someone by their status in community, rather than name.

 

It would be disrespectful to call your own parents by their first name, right? It's the same in a collective society. 

 

Not saying that farang is a respectful word though.

[Stargeezr]

Most of my Thai family call me Uncle, and the older ones call me Hawee, as the cannot say Harvey very well.

  They will tell theri friends that i am from Canada, if asked so i have not heard the term farang hardly at all.

[Will B Good]

39 minutes ago, Stargeezr said:

Most of my Thai family call me Uncle, and the older ones call me Hawee, as the cannot say Harvey very well.

  They will tell theri friends that i am from Canada, if asked so i have not heard the term farang hardly at all.

They will tell theri friends that i am from Canada......smart move, or they might think you're American.

[Luuk Chaai]

On 4/22/2025 at 10:05 AM, Dan O said:

Its the age old issue. If I say something that you don't like its racist if you do it it was misunderstood because their was no ill  intent. 

 

they might be  stricken

 

nothing wrong with farang .  it's part of the culture

[Dan O]

3 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

 

they might be  stricken

 

nothing wrong with farang .  it's part of the culture

it has nothing to do with culture and its not contained to only Thailand

[1FinickyOne]

On 4/22/2025 at 8:51 PM, blaze master said:

 

It would take you what 30 seconds or so to teach her the difference.

 

Thai dont use farang to describe any others but white people. Generally speaking.  As has been pointed out they don't call chinese farang. When the word is supposed to mean foreigner and a Chinese person is a foreigner. Well it doesn't really hold up. 

 

I'm not saying farang is being used with malice in all cases. However it is often unwillingly used as such. Taking into consideration that it's generally used for white people and not really to describe a foreigner. 

 

 

 

yes, she was describing a white person who was in the market - we both had the exact same understanding of the word - - I don't see anything negative or offensive about that... I don't know of another word that would have been better or more easily understood by us both... 

[1FinickyOne]

15 hours ago, Chris1950 said:

Not so sure about this. I asked some Thai friends if Japanese, Chinese, President Obama or Denzil Washington were farangs. In each case the answer was "no".  It seemed to be exclusively used, at least by them, for white people; that is surely racist.

It is not used in a racist manner - - though I guess by your definition, that doesn't matter - - it is used with no malice... 

 

"Black bird singing in the dead of night" was that Paul McCartney? 

[lapamita]

On 4/22/2025 at 5:28 AM, Cameroni said:

So another East European fool aggravated a Thai by thinking he was clever and saying "Ni Hao", thereby making all foreigners look like idiots.

 

Deport all East Europeans from Thailand today and 80% of problems would go away.

 

But yes, farang, is obviously derogatory..

 

Notice the difference, a Russian says Ni Hao because he's a stupid fool, but the deragotary word farang is used with knowing intent.

another racist idiot full  of hate against russian

 

dont worry many idiots here from western countrays too, or you think you superior to thers

[Cameroni]

Just now, lapamita said:

another racist idiot full  of hate against russian

 

dont worry many idiots here from western countrays too, or you think you superior to thers

 

Well, there's too many Russians, and Ukrainians, in Thailand, you' got to admit.

 

 

[lapamita]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, there's too many Russians, and Ukrainians, in Thailand, you' got to admit.

 

 

than start the war in europe and you have more US and EU citizens, tourism problem solved.

i live 30yr + in thai ,do never had problems with russians  and famillys are nice people if you know them

 

[Cameroni]

Just now, lapamita said:

than start thw war in europe and you have more US and EU citizens, tourism problem solved.

i live 30yr + in thai ,do never had problems with russians  and famillys are nice people if you know them

 

 

They started a war in Europe, all it did was send tsunamis of Ukrainian and Russian draft dodgers to Thailand.

 

I was 2 days in Thailand and already had a problem with a Russian babushka.

[lapamita]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

 

 

I was 2 days in Thailand and already had a problem with a Russian babushka.

sure  you have , with your behaviour !!!!

 

and sure you make it easy ,russia is bad all others espec westeners are good ,thats your view of the world

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

They started a war in Europe, all it did was send tsunamis of Ukrainian and Russian draft dodgers to Thailand.

 

I was 2 days in Thailand and already had a problem with a Russian babushka.

 

[pacovl46]

Ok, keep whining and b*tching about a non existent issue that’s all in your head then…

[pacovl46]

20 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Hey you Thai... you don't have a name??? Or are you being offended if I only call you THai?? The Thai has comment on my post... That is normal??

 

 

Again, it does not have a bad connotation when they use that word and any negativity that you perceive is just in your head. I don’t know how to express that any clearer! 
 

You have two options, you can either accept it the way it is or you can get all riled up and bent out of shape over it and let it make your life miserable. Your choice! 

[petedk]

On 4/22/2025 at 5:05 PM, 1FinickyOne said:

Are they rather pretentious people? 

 

Absolutely not.

[ikke1959]

4 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

 

 

Again, it does not have a bad connotation when they use that word and any negativity that you perceive is just in your head. I don’t know how to express that any clearer! 
 

You have two options, you can either accept it the way it is or you can get all riled up and bent out of shape over it and let it make your life miserable. Your choice! 

You don't understand as maybe you are Thai..I don't care how they call me

[Sig]

On 4/21/2025 at 6:04 PM, webfact said:

Thai netizens were quick to defend the historic use of "farang," insisting it lacks malice.

In light of that argument, white people in America should then be able to use, normally considered an epithet, "<deleted>" (edit: N*gg**), since it too has historic use lacking malice.

[pacovl46]

19 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

You don't understand as maybe you are Thai..I don't care how they call me

Nah, mate! It’s clearly you who doesn’t get it/doesn’t want to get it! 

[NativeBob]

Strange places some are living: great white conquerors, some pure racist attitude and visionaries from remote villages of North-Eastern Thailand. 

If some use the term "farang" for his/her convenience than let them have it. Why bother? 

Suddenly some young bloke from RU teaches linguistics at Phuket? Good for him, he got his 3 minutes of fame. 

OMG! 12 pages of bashing? Amazing

[Packer]

20 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

he got his 3 minutes

 

Sounds like my first wedding night.