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17 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

NIH Director Jay Bhattacharya on mRNA tech: Covid vaccine uptake has collapsed

 

"The next step is [to halt] the mRNA platform itself... the manufacturer has no idea what dose they're giving, no idea where it goes in the body, and whether they are producing off-target antigens"

 

 

 

 

Another non-credible COVID misinformation spreader, one among a legion of them that the Trump Admin has appointed to various govt. positions. Some examples below among many:

 

"Bhattacharya was a lead author of a serology study released in April 2020 that suggested that as many as 80,000 residents of Santa Clara County, California, might have already been infected with SARS-CoV-2.[21] The study's design, conduct, statistical analysis, and conclusions were widely criticized as flawed.[22][23]"[24] "   [emphasis added]  

 

[Explanatory note:The flawed overestimates of his study were aimed at trying to make case that COVID had a lower fatality rate than it actually had at the time, which had it been true, would have supported his arguments against COVID restrictions].

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"In May 2021, Bhattacharya was called as an expert witness for ten applicants who filed a constitutional challenge against Manitoba's COVID-19 public health orders.[38] The judge determined that the public health restrictions did not violate charter rights, noting that most scientific and medical experts did not support Bhattacharya's views.[39]"  [emphasis added]

 

"In a 2021 case about masks in Tennessee schools, judge Waverly D. Crenshaw Jr. of the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee criticized Bhattacharya's testimony as "troubling and problematic", said Bhattacharya had oversimplified conclusions of a study, and said he "offered opinions regarding the pediatric effects of masks on children, a discipline on which he admitted he was not qualified to speak".[47]"  [emphasis added]

 

 In December 2022, Florida governor Ron DeSantis named Bhattacharya, Kulldorff and several others to his newly formed Public Health Integrity Committee to "offer critical assessments" of recommendations from federal health agencies.[51] Later in 2022, when COVID boosters for the Omicron variant were available, Bhattacharya made multiple misleading statements about them, including incorrectly describing how they were tested.[52] [emphasis added]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya

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Here's where Trump, Bhattacharya, RFK Jr. and their fellow anti-vaxers are steering the U.S. and the world to the extent they can influence it:

 

Measles Surge in Southwest Is Now the Largest Single Outbreak Since 2000

 

Growing case numbers suggest that national total will surpass that seen during the last large outbreak in 2019.

 

April 22, 2025

 

The spread of measles in the Southwest now constitutes the largest single outbreak since the United States declared the disease eliminated in 2000, federal scientists told state officials in a meeting on Monday.
The New York Times obtained a recording of the meeting. Until now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had not publicly described the outbreak in such stark terms.
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As of Thursday, the C.D.C. had reported 800 measles cases nationwide, but the current tally is likely to be higher because it takes time for the agency to collate state reports. More than 20 separate outbreaks brought the national case count in 2019 up to 1,249, a figure that the country is likely to surpass this year.
 
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1 minute ago, johng said:

Perhaps instead of attempting to smear Dr Jay  you should post the infection fatality rate of "Covid 19"

and let everyone decided if it was worth shutting down the whole world and all the other ludicrous non scientific measures for such a rate.

 

Dr Jay also had a very good plan

that followed totally non controversial doctrine...but for some reason for this "pandemic" they tore up the playbook and went fully authoritarian.

 

P.S Wikipedia and Google totally infiltrated with 3 letter agencies.

 

 

.....I take it you have figures for the death rate if no action had been taken?

 

Let me guess....zero?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

How dumb, stupid and ignorant do you have to be to not accept that

Maybe what we think we know is not actually the truth  maybe we have been lied too about so much and for so long..that even questions are regarded as hierarchy.

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3 minutes ago, johng said:

Maybe what we think we know is not actually the truth  maybe we have been lied too about so much and for so long..that even questions are regarded as hierarchy.

 

No.

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Just now, johng said:

The infection fatality rate was known quite early on and who was most at risk.

No I don't have a time machine

to see "what if" no measures were taken and anyway no one let alone Dr Jay suggested no mesures,  the measures he propossed  were basically to protect those vulnerable, elderly and immune compromised...while the young and healthy carried on life as normal.

 

 

Wow.....that's exactly what Johnson and Hancock did........if only.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

No.

Well there you go  not even open to the slightest glimmer of doubt.

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39 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Another non-credible COVID misinformation spreader, one among a legion of them that the Trump Admin has appointed to various govt. positions. Some examples below among many:

 

"Bhattacharya was a lead author of a serology study released in April 2020 that suggested that as many as 80,000 residents of Santa Clara County, California, might have already been infected with SARS-CoV-2.[21] The study's design, conduct, statistical analysis, and conclusions were widely criticized as flawed.[22][23]"[24] "   [emphasis added]  

 

[Explanatory note:The flawed overestimates of his study were aimed at trying to make case that COVID had a lower fatality rate than it actually had at the time, which had it been true, would have supported his arguments against COVID restrictions].

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"In May 2021, Bhattacharya was called as an expert witness for ten applicants who filed a constitutional challenge against Manitoba's COVID-19 public health orders.[38] The judge determined that the public health restrictions did not violate charter rights, noting that most scientific and medical experts did not support Bhattacharya's views.[39]"  [emphasis added]

 

"In a 2021 case about masks in Tennessee schools, judge Waverly D. Crenshaw Jr. of the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee criticized Bhattacharya's testimony as "troubling and problematic", said Bhattacharya had oversimplified conclusions of a study, and said he "offered opinions regarding the pediatric effects of masks on children, a discipline on which he admitted he was not qualified to speak".[47]"  [emphasis added]

 

 In December 2022, Florida governor Ron DeSantis named Bhattacharya, Kulldorff and several others to his newly formed Public Health Integrity Committee to "offer critical assessments" of recommendations from federal health agencies.[51] Later in 2022, when COVID boosters for the Omicron variant were available, Bhattacharya made multiple misleading statements about them, including incorrectly describing how they were tested.[52] [emphasis added]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya

 

The coming months are going to be tough for you, John. Hang in there.

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28 minutes ago, johng said:

P.S Wikipedia and Google totally infiltrated with 3 letter agencies.

 

As confirmed by its co-founder Larry Sanger… but he's probably just a "conspiracy theorist".

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9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The coming months are going to be tough for you, John. Hang in there.

 

Just because a bunch of purveyors of unscientific, partisan politics-driven nonsense have been appointed to senior federal health positions under Trump doesn't mean there will be any shortage of respected and credible public health and science figures who will call out their garbage for just what it is.  And I won't have any problem finding and reporting those take-downs.

 

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4 minutes ago, johng said:

The infection fatality rate was known quite early on and who was most at risk.

No I don't have a time machine

to see "what if" no measures were taken and anyway no one let alone Dr Jay suggested no mesures,  the measures he propossed  were basically to protect those vulnerable, elderly and immune compromised...while the young and healthy carried on life as normal.

 

While I’m certainly not anti-vaccine, discussions like this often devolve into a binary, "you’re either with me or against me" mentality. I believe there’s space for a more nuanced, middle ground.

 

Consider the initial modelling from Imperial College London - based on what was known at the time, their projections were understandably alarming. Combining the case fatality rates of SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV with the transmission profile of influenza painted a terrifying picture: potentially billions of lives at risk.

 

In that context, implementing lockdowns didn’t seem unreasonable. The data pointed to a dire threat, and decisive action was a rational response. However, once more accurate case fatality rates emerged - higher than seasonal flu, yes, but not on the apocalyptic scale initially feared - the calculus should perhaps have shifted.

 

At the time, I questioned whether a more targeted approach might have been viable: continuing to isolate and protect high-risk individuals while allowing the broader population to resume normal activities. Admittedly, this would have created a two-tiered society, but it would also have allowed personal responsibility and informed choice to guide behaviour.

 

One can’t help but wonder whether governments resisted such a pivot not purely for public health reasons, but because changing course could be seen as an admission of error. Acknowledging that initial lockdowns might no longer be necessary could have opened the door to political and legal fallout - lawsuits from shuttered businesses, accusations of mismanagement, and damage to credibility. And so, instead, many governments doubled down, prioritising institutional self-preservation over flexible adaptation.

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I have a dream. In it all the anti-vaxxer, anti-science morons all live together in one area where they live their short lives happily dodging an invention (vaccines)  that is hailed as one of the greatest scientific achievements in human history.

It would be splendid to see Darwin's principles in action drastically strengthening our gene pool.

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Here's who Trump appointed to head the National Institutes of Health, what had been the U.S.'s preeminent government scientific organization:

 

Re Bhattacharya and the study he co-authored along with John Ioannidis (both from Stanford) on the early days of COVID in Santa Clara County, Calif:

 

"A Wall Street Journal editorial by Bhattacharya and Bendavid was entitled “Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?” Bhattacharya revisited that theme in the Hoover Institution and Fox Nation program “Questioning Conventional Wisdom.”

 

When their preprint was published, its conclusions backed the trio’s policy arguments – and it was saddled with statistical problems. It failed to describe key calculations and made at least five material mistakes, according to Will Fithian, assistant professor in UC Berkeley’s Department of Statistics. The population-weighted intervals in a table were miscalculated. The authors plugged the wrong interval into a formula. They made two math errors in executing that formula. And, misreading their test kit’s manufacturer insert, they used the wrong numbers for the antibody test’s specificity."

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-john-ioannidis/

 

 

Scientists feud over hyped Stanford coronavirus antibody study: “The authors owe us all an apology”

 

Study that says Silicon Valley cases were underestimated by 85x exemplifies "how NOT to do statistics", expert says

April 26, 2020

"... a new study suggesting that Santa Clara County, home to Silicon Valley, had up to 85 times as many cases as it reported was deeply flawed and could give the public a false sense of security, researchers say.

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Many researchers around the country said the Santa Clara County study was simply flawed. The researchers used kits from the company Premier Biotech, which has one of the lower "false positive" rates but still shows "false positives" in two of every 371 true negative samples, according to the San Jose Mercury News.

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"I think the authors of the above-linked paper owe us all an apology," said Andrew Gelman, the director of the applied statistics center at Columbia University. "We wasted time and effort discussing this paper whose main selling point was some numbers that were essentially the product of a statistical error."

 

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https://www.salon.com/2020/04/26/scientists-feud-over-hyped-stanford-coronavirus-antibody-study-the-authors-owe-us-all-an-apology/

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Consider the initial modelling from Imperial College London - based on what was known at the time, their projections were understandably alarming.

 

Predictions from the lead author of this study  are mostly alarming and  wrong this one added to the list of them including the climate scam.

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52 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

How dumb, stupid and ignorant do you have to be to not accept that pathogens exist, that they cause diseases....and that vaccines and antibiotics are our best defence against them.

I don't agree with you Sir.

 

TBH, with you bud, I'm coming round to reckoning that many - if not most - of the 'diseases' out there, are our own making.

 

Most conditions that are labeled 'disease' by the white-coats, are nothing of the sort.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, johng said:

questions are regarded as hierarchy.

Sorry, silly auto correct   heresy  not  hierarchy.

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1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't agree with you Sir.

 

TBH, with you bud, I'm coming round to reckoning that many - if not most - of the 'diseases' out there, are our own making.

 

Most conditions that are labeled 'disease' by the white-coats, are nothing of the sort.

 

 

 

 

Huge difference between a 'condition' and an infection due to pathogens......so not too sure what you mean by 'condition'.

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10 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Predictions from the lead author of this study  are mostly alarming and  wrong this one added to the list of them including the climate scam.

In computer lingo. Garbage in - garbage out.

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4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Huge difference between a 'condition' and an infection due to pathogens......so not too sure what you mean by 'condition'.

 

The conditions of measles. The conditions of the flu. The symptoms of these complaints are seen as conditions. They are NOT diseases. And not caused by any virus.

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3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

The conditions of measles. The conditions of the flu. The symptoms of these complaints are seen as conditions. They are NOT diseases. And not caused by any virus.

 

I give in.

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2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:
6 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

The conditions of measles. The conditions of the flu. The symptoms of these complaints are seen as conditions. They are NOT diseases. And not caused by any virus.

 

I give in.

 

The mind simple boggles doesn't it...    

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