Why Zelensky Won’t Bargain Away Crimea — No Matter the Pressure

[BLMFem]

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Lefties being abusive instead of discussing the situation .

Will you start breaking things next and smashing things up ?

I promise I won't break anything if you'll stop clutching your pearls. Deal?

[BLMFem]

19 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Only Russia withdrawing completely will peace come about.

 

Yes, a Russian defeat and preferably the death of Putin the mass murderer.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

I promise I won't break anything if you'll stop clutching your pearls. Deal?

 

   You will have to go and find someone else to argue and fight with .

I don't participate  in online fights anymore 

[BLMFem]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You will have to go and find someone else to argue and fight with .

I don't participate  in online fights anymore 

So it's a no then.

[Nick Carter icp]

42 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Trump or the US was never going to resolve this. UK & EU must feel the War 

That sort of bravery is needed and not US or Trump 

 

   Fight it out between the two of you and don't get others involved 

[sharot724]

Thanks for the peace proposal Vlad...

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eye-opener-russia-launches-new-attacks-in-ukraine/vi-AA1DCrih?ocid=socialshare&cvid=b4725466cb024287b241661973dd10a9&ei=21

[sharot724]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Fight it out between the two of you and don't get others involved 

you make no sense in your post 

[Jingthing]

16 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Scratch any peace agreement now as Z is delusional. 

 

Trump tried ... Europe, you're on your own.   Careful what you wished, not you have.

 

Hopefully Trump will pull all US military out of Europe, and leave NATO.

Bull.

Trump tried to bully Ukraine to surrender.

He's a disgrace.

[sharot724]

Take that 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-seizes-crimea-ship-amid-dispute-with-trump/ar-AA1DBQ3i?ocid=socialshare&cvid=c29eb24f95ed49f7a32ebcd426968844&ei=16

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

you make no sense in your post 

 

   Wasn't you post suggesting that the E.U and the UK should get involved ?

 "UK & EU must feel the War "

 

[sharot724]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Wasn't you post suggesting that the E.U and the UK should get involved ?

 "UK & EU must feel the War "

 

yes and so what

[Yagoda]

43 minutes ago, Dan O said:

care to explain how "very  little of Ukraine" is Ukrainian?

Sure, do you want me to start a topic.? Or just give you a reading list?

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

yes and so what

 

  You've confused me 

[sharot724]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You've confused me 

The trashing to them Trump gave them hopefully will sink in.

Do you feel like a ground war near you neighborhood is what you suppport?

[Dan O]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Sure, do you want me to start a topic.? Or just give you a reading list?

No  you already started it with you bs comment. I would like you to just once provide the facts you base your nonsensical claims on, if you can. I suspect you can't and you'll deflect and gaslight like you are already doing. 

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Bull.

Trump tried to bully Ukraine to surrender.

He's a disgrace.

No bullying involved, just offering a way to end it, before the USA, stops supporting UA.

 

And if wanting any other help, for whatever, defense or rebuilding, it won't be free.   Take or leave it.

 

It's Europe's problem now, as it always should have been.  USA should have never got involved in the first place.

 

You're on your own now ... Good Luck 

[sharot724]

Even Republicans can see through this fraud peace negotiations.

 

Grassley calls Putin out as a dictator after Trump falsely called Ukraine's president one

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/grassley-calls-putin-out-as-a-dictator-after-trump-falsely-called-ukraine-s-president-one/ar-AA1zNNsz

[jas007]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Why must the Ukraine give up on the territories annexed by Russia?

 

Because YOU say so. It is NOT your land, territory or people. 

 

Because Trump says so? It is NOT his land, territory or people either?

 

Nor does it belong to Russia either.

 

It belongs to the Ukraine.

 

Perhaps the USA should give ALL its territory back to the native Americans and the Mexicans that they stole it from?

 

That would be equally fair though I doubt that you would agree with that.

Maybe you should look at a little history.  Look at the history of the region.  It's not as if the country of Ukraine has existed forever within borders etched in stone.  

 

One upon a time, what is now Kiev was the capital of Kievan Rus’, a slavic state and the ancestor of what is now Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.  More recently, Ukraine was a creation of Russia, over the years, but that occurred in stages beginning in 1919, based on a number of factors.  That's how Ukraine came to be.  Russia drew the map and created the borders.  Its existence as a separate country was recognized in 1991, following  the dissolution of the Soviet Union.  The history of Crimea is even more convoluted, but was recognized, internationally, as part of Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Union. 

 

So we have a part of the world in flux, over the years.  Now Crimea is back in Russia's hands.  Nothing new. 

 

I'm pretty sure starting WW III over Crimea would be a dumb thing to do. I also think that about 8 billion people (or whatever the world population is these days) would agree with me. 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

The trashing to them Trump gave them hopefully will sink in.

Do you feel like a ground war near you neighborhood is what you suppport?

 

   The UK and the E.U shouldn't get involved in the war .

Let Russia and Ukraine fight it out among themselves 

[jas007]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Why must the Ukraine give up on the territories annexed by Russia?

 

Because YOU say so. It is NOT your land, territory or people. 

 

Because Trump says so? It is NOT his land, territory or people either?

 

Nor does it belong to Russia either.

 

It belongs to the Ukraine.

 

Perhaps the USA should give ALL its territory back to the native Americans and the Mexicans that they stole it from?

 

That would be equally fair though I doubt that you would agree with that.

Maybe you should look at a little history.  Look at the history of the region.  It's not as if the country of Ukraine has existed forever within borders etched in stone.  

 

One upon a time, what is now Kiev was the capital of Kievan Rus’, a slavic state and the ancestor of what is now Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.  More recently, Ukraine was a creation of Russia, over the years, but that occurred in stages beginning in 1919, based on a number of factors.  That's how Ukraine came to be.  Russia drew the map and created the borders.  Its existence as a separate country was recognized in 1991, following  the dissolution of the Soviet Union.  The history of Crimea is even more convoluted, but was recognized, internationally, as part of Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Union. 

 

So we have a part of the world in flux, over the years.  Now Crimea is back in Russia's hands.  Nothing new. 

 

I'm pretty sure starting WW III over Crimea would be a dumb thing to do. I also think that about 8 billion people (or whatever the world population is these days) would agree with me. 

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, Dan O said:

No  you already started it with you bs comment. I would like you to just once provide the facts you base your nonsensical claims on, if you can. I suspect you can't and you'll deflect and gaslight like you are already doing. 

Sure, what would be called the "Ukraine" would by conterminous with historical Halych. 

 

All the rest is Hapsburg/Polish/Russian.

 

 

[sharot724]

11 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Maybe you should look at a little history.  Look at the history of the region.  It's not as if the country of Ukraine has existed forever within borders etched in stone.  

 

One upon a time, what is now Kiev was the capital of Kievan Rus’, a slavic state and the ancestor of what is now Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.  More recently, Ukraine was a creation of Russia, over the years, but that occurred in stages beginning in 1919, based on a number of factors.  That's how Ukraine came to be.  Russia drew the map and created the borders.  Its existence as a separate country was recognized in 1991, following  the dissolution of the Soviet Union.  The history of Crimea is even more convoluted, but was recognized, internationally, as part of Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Union. 

 

So we have a part of the world in flux, over the years.  Now Crimea is back in Russia's hands.  Nothing new. 

 

I'm pretty sure starting WW III over Crimea would be a dumb thing to do. I also think that about 8 billion people (or whatever the world population is these days) would agree with me. 

Saying vlad is going to nuke us all is the sillyest scare monger ever. Grow some....

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Saying vlad is going to nuke us all is the sillyest scare monger ever. Grow some....

 

   He didn't suggest that though . 

TBH, your posts aren't making much sense 

[sharot724]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   He didn't suggest that though . 

TBH, your posts aren't making much sense 

Do you think that any of you post are more than just dribble?

[sharot724]

Name calling shows you have nothing to defend yourself with

but thats is reality

As in his post...

I also think that about 8 billion people (or whatever the world population is these days) would agree with me. 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Do you think that any of you post are more than just dribble?

 

  Maybe so . 

But you posts don't hardly make any sense 

[sharot724]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Maybe so . 

But you posts don't hardly make any sense 

Trust me, that you not understanding is absolutly what has now been proven and solidified

Too bad but reality again!

[Dan O]

22 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Sure, what would be called the "Ukraine" would by conterminous with historical Halych. 

 

All the rest is Hapsburg/Polish/Russian.

 

 

Wrong

[candide]

41 minutes ago, jas007 said:

One upon a time, what is now Kiev was the capital of Kievan Rus’, a slavic state and the ancestor of what is now Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine.

So Ukraine should annex Russia and Belarus! 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Wrong

Ok, ignore Zaporazhia, the Crimea, Odessa....

 

I'll be happy to give you a reading list. Try https://images.app.goo.gl/rfBYybWPCRKbnWJD8